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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:36 am |
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| CindyS and Maxipad should form a commune, and brand red-stars on their foreheads . . . . Oh, yes, that would cover the lobotomy scars wouldn;t it?
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:23 am |
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One more thing Maxi, I don't spend my time sticking up for McCain because quite frankly, I don't much care for him but I will say I don't believe him to be an "America hater" so that puts him in the forefront right there.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:13 am |
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Max, unlike you, I have never had to resort to "googling" to get my information that I post on here. You need to take your head out of the far left websites for just second, breathe in some fresh air and actually pay attention to what is going on in the world. I watched the interview with Bill Moyers and REV Wright on PBS. I watched the REV Wright speech to the NAACP on CSPAN and just watched his other one he addressed a group of his supporters along with DC correspondents this a.m. that was rebroadcast just now.
You make an awful lot of false accusations and false assumptions about me Max. I listen to the words coming directly from the mouths of those I quote. That is why my posts are either facts I heard directly from them or my own personal opinion, not garbage I get off of the internet by "googling". Too bad that is how you do it though, because you live in an alternate universive with false information. 
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 03:12 am |
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Raz, you can spend your entire day and night googling negative stuff on Obama. I'm sure you will find a goldmine. But you could do the same with Clinton and McCain and you will also find a goldmine. Why don't you spend your time showing us why McCain is a stronger candidate.
Are you and others on this thread so afraid of Obama being elected that you have to resort to spending your entire day "googling" negative articles about Obama? You are very much in the dark if you think that your Obama negativity articles are going to outweigh the similar negative McCain articles. The only problem is that Obama supporters on this board don't spend the entire day on the computer digging for dirt.
The dirt on McCain will come out loud and clear once the Democratic candidate is determined. So enjoy your little pastime "googling" about Obama. And rest up - because McCain will be reduced to temper tantrums when the democrats attack. I can't wait.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 02:54 am |
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Ok, after listening to yet another insulting speech by Obama's REV Wright, I've heard enough. He does not consider Louis Farrakhan to be an enemy because he is the black voice of the 20th and 21st century? Wright said Louis Farrakhan is the E.F. Hutton of the blacks, when he speaks they listen!! Really???????
Does he not notice the armed militant guards standing behind him when he speaks or does not notice they barely speak American English? Apparently Farrakhan is his man, even gave him a "Life Achievement Award" although it's unclear for what and traveled with him to honor the radical terrorist Omar Khadfi in Tripoli. Barack Obama sat in this man's Church for 20 years and never noticed his radical views? Sorry, no can do on this one.
This is the deal with these guys. If you make your own way you owe nothing to nobody, you are who you are. When you allow someone else to "make who you are" then you are in debt to them forever and this is Obama's personal "chickens coming home to roost".
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| "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, YES WE CAN"!! Come on obama, give me a break. By the time this whole thing is over the dems will think that pelosi and reid look pretty good.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 04:12 pm |
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Here is a video from this a.m. during a question and answer session with REV Wright. He just reiterated what I said in my last post regarding Obama not meaning what he says, it's just politics.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=85523
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In fairness to Obama, he spent 20+ years sleeping throught Rev Wright's sermons.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 05:26 pm |
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Well Cindi, REV Wright was interviewed by Bill Moyers of PBS this week and it was very much the same thing. Rev Wright said it best however when asked how it felt for Obama to say he disagreed with some of his controversial statements and the REV replied "Senator Obama is a politician and says what he has to to his audience and I say what I have to to mine". He then smirked ...wink, wink.
So hence the good Reverand Jeremiah Wright just admitted before the TV cameras that Obama doesn't really mean what he is saying, he is just being political. Wow, what a shocker.
Obama is hiding the fact that he knows as well as everyone else he cannot pull out of Iraq and be the leader of "defeat" so he will wait until he is sworn in then come out saying he didn't have all the information from the Bush Administration (just like they always do) and say we need to stay in longer to finish the job. Both candidates will use this to get out of the "I will bring the troops home the first day I'm in office" rhetoric.
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raz, I should have waited until I watched Fox News with Obama this morning - I would have never asked the question. Does the man know how to answer a question? Just like the last debate he tap danced around the questions. Does he know how to say yes or no.
When he was asked if General Petraeus was head of Central Command and he was President and Petraeus recommend that we stay in Iraq, would he fire Petraeus. He danced around the question saying he would tell him the task we had at hand. If he is not lying on the issue of pulling out of Iraq, why didn't he say, no I would not fire him, but I would insist that he either follow my directions or he could leave. Why do I get the feeling Obama is just telling people what they want to hear to get a vote and when a direct question is asked of him that has two answers (yes or no) he doesn't give an answer only dances around it -what is he hiding?
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 03:00 pm |
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That is easy Cindi, Barack Obama does not want us to see the real Barack Obama anymore. Each time we do, his polls drop. He acted like a sorehead kid following the last debate because he didn't like the questions. He certainly lost his cheesy smile and charm didn't he?
You don't hang out with people like Rev Wright, William Ayers radical unrepented terrorist, crooks like Tony Renzo, your wife admitting to hating the country - America is mean comment and bitter comments about not being proud to be an American her whole adult life, insulting small town America with slanderous jabs, participate in the Million Man March being led by racist militant Louis Farrakhan, belonging to a black and African centrist separatist church for 20 years who honored Louis Farrakhan with a lifetime acheivement award, the Militant Black Panthers and praising the terrorist group Hamas in the church newsletter. Oh yeah, forgot that the church that he hung out in for 20 years is anti-Semitic (they hate Jews).
It is quite clear he doesn't want to talk about any of these "trivial" items because if they do, he becomes more and more transparent and they don't want that. So, no more debates because he can't control the venue any more.
Remember, he wants to CHANGE AMERICA and that is his mission along with his buddies. It is the extremist groups that he surrounds himself with that set him up in the political arena and he owes them big time. The democratic party has been sold a flawed bill of goods and now they are stuck with him. Obama is in damage control mode right now, so you can forget him coming out and doing anything off the cuff, he will remain scripted from now on.
I should add for those of you who are not familiar with who bad guy Louis Farrakhan is and why he is relevant, he is the militant "Nation of Muslim Leader". It was REV Wright's daughter who publishes the Church Magazine "The Trumpet" that endowed Mr Farrakhan with the prestigious Lifetime Achievement Award. Obama claimed to not know much about that either.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 02:15 pm |
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razenkn wrote:
No honest, that is Obama's new campaign stategy. He is going to confront Hillary and Bill about the ongoing scandals of their stint in the White House. What, don't you think that is appropriate??? If that is too hard to hear then well you should attack the dems like you do the republicans because I agree, that is really mean. 
Whatever you do though, please keep in mind, Barack Obama's campaign who is liberal, far left almost radical that is doing this, not Republicans, not conservatives.
No, honest, girlfriend, it was just a dream ...things will be OK...Bush is leaving office...there, there...back to sleep...here's your blankie.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 04:27 am |
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Someone on here said they hadn't ever heard of William Ayers a.k.a. Bill Ayers, Weather man Underground member a.k.a. friendly with Barack Obama and militant Black Panthers. Well, here is some information on this nice guy that Barack according to his own campaign is "friendly with".
Bill Ayers
- Leader of the 1960s and 70s domestic terrorist group Weatherman
- "Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents."
- Participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972
- Currently a professor of education at the University of Illinois
for the rest of the rest of the sick story go to this website.....
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169
Obama isn't talking about this guy, have you noticed? Could that be because he is buds with Louis Farrakhan who hangs with the militant Black Panthers along with his Pastor Wright? Probably.
Does the phrase "they will destroy us from within" ring a bell?
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 03:30 am |
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No honest, that is Obama's new campaign stategy. He is going to confront Hillary and Bill about the ongoing scandals of their stint in the White House. What, don't you think that is appropriate??? If that is too hard to hear then well you should attack the dems like you do the republicans because I agree, that is really mean.
Whatever you do though, please keep in mind, Barack Obama's campaign who is liberal, far left almost radical that is doing this, not Republicans, not conservatives.
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razenkn wrote:
I just heard something that made me laugh so hard I hurt myself. Ready for this?
Apparently Barack Obama is warning the Clinton campaign that he is 'TAKING OFF THE GLOVES" and is going after her with ALL the Clinton scandals of Bill's presidency naming White Water, Bill's Impeachment, her jackpot Cattle futures investment, and several other memorable events throughout the Clinton's stay in the White House.
YUP, I kid you not. Are you paying attention here my liberal friends? It's not the Republicans that will be dredging up old wounds as you constantly accuse us of on here, it will be the most liberal Senator in the US who wants to be our next President that is going to do this.
It's a good thing he is a "new kind" of politician.....isn't it?
Stop your giggling, girlfriend, for a few moments..This hasn't happened...it's in your mind, RAZ...put the glue back in the drawer.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 09:35 pm |
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I just heard something that made me laugh so hard I hurt myself. Ready for this?
Apparently Barack Obama is warning the Clinton campaign that he is 'TAKING OFF THE GLOVES" and is going after her with ALL the Clinton scandals of Bill's presidency naming White Water, Bill's Impeachment, her jackpot Cattle futures investment, and several other memorable events throughout the Clinton's stay in the White House.
YUP, I kid you not. Are you paying attention here my liberal friends? It's not the Republicans that will be dredging up old wounds as you constantly accuse us of on here, it will be the most liberal Senator in the US who wants to be our next President that is going to do this.
It's a good thing he is a "new kind" of politician.....isn't it?
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 06:02 pm |
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Max wrote..
Where are these weapons...?
You do know that preemptive war is a war crime don't you...?
Inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, and your boy Bush pulled them out so he could start his war...everyone knows this...he lied, it's an illegal war, and he and the rest of them are "war criminals"...
I don't know where the weapons are but then again why don't you ask hillary? She apparently believed they existed based on the evidence which was available (oops, I forgot, she didn't read the reports but rather assigned that task to one of her aides). She and the rest of the senate and congress had access to the same information as bush so if you are saying bush lied then they all lied. Or maybe they were brainwashed? If in fact that is their defense then maybe they should meet the same end to their careers as Mr. Romney (Mitt Romney's father) back in the seventies when he was eliminated as a presidential candidate when he used that same defense (brainwashed) regarding his earlier support for the war in Viet Nam.
At any rate, it has not been proven that weapons of mass destruction did not (or do not) exist but only that we haven't found them. Maybe they were shipped over the border to Syria? Iraq is a very large country and in reality they could be hidden anywhere. The fact that they haven't been found doesn't mean they didn't (or still don't) exist.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 05:28 pm |
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Max wrote..
Where are these weapons...?
You do know that preemptive war is a war crime don't you...?
Inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, and your boy Bush pulled them out so he could start his war...everyone knows this...he lied, it's an illegal war, and he and the rest of them are "war criminals"...
Time to move past the "radical left "he lied" diatribe" Max, move on. How many times can it be proved that the real "lie" here is that "HE LIED". How many times before you hear it? You don't want to hear it because then it takes the steam out of having something to hate him for. It's a true sickness, but more disturbing is that you allow yourself to be led by a bunch of liars that does nothing but damage our country.
Pre-emptive? 18 UN Resolutions being violated and ignored. 18. How many more do you think we should have given him? 18 more? 36 more? If we didn't go in for any other reason than that, it was well justified. What good does it do for the UN to declare punitive resolutions if they are not implemented? We were becoming the laughingstock of the world.
You compile that fact, with his history of WMD's and his own admission of having them along with re-newing his nuclear capabilities and him giving $25,000 bonus rewards to homicide bombers around the world, I wouldn't exactly call that pre-emptive anything. He was told in no uncertain terms what would happen if he didn't disarm and he chose to stick his thumb in the eye of the United States and the rest of the world.
All of this taking place post 9/11 which changed how we needed to view our threats and how we need to deal with them. Complacency was no longer an option. Had President Bush, our Commander in Chief, chose to ignore and he did indeed have the weaponry he claimed to have and used them, and/or sold them to Al-Qaeda, what would we be talking about on here today?
The inspectors being led by Hans Blix was a futile exercise that everyone came to realize.
Those are the facts, you can't repudiate them and the democrats all agreed. You seem to have a hard time hearing that also, but if what President Bush did was a "war crime" then the entire congress played an even larger role in the crime.
Not going to argue this point anymore, but at some time in your life hopefully you will get over your blinding hatred for President Bush and objectively look at the real facts, not what you read on the hate filled radical websites. The We Hate Bush mantra is really worn out though. Instead of being angry at our very own President and country you should turn that anger towards the real enemy and then we would be somewhere but right now they love that you are doing their dirty work for them. You should be very pleased with yourself.
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Could you please provide some sources behind your claims Raz...
and also...one questions...
We went into Iraq because of the threat of WMD and the threat of impending Nuclear capabilities by Saddam. Also for the $25,000 bonus being paid to each of the homocide bombers families creating mass fear and destruction world wide. Also because Saddam had ignored the last 18 resolutions imposed upon him by the U.N. Also because he ignored the "disarm or we will disarm you" promise imposed by the U.S. who had the guts and moral courage to stand up to this brutal dictator and threat to the world believing him when he admitted to acquiring such weaponry. In fact, I believe I heard a speech by Senator Clinton reiterating the very same threat and she said we had no choice but to disarm him
Where are these weapons...?
You do know that preemptive war is a war crime don't you...?
Inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, and your boy Bush pulled them out so he could start his war...everyone knows this...he lied, it's an illegal war, and he and the rest of them are "war criminals"...
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 05:32 pm |
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cindisue_g wrote: Sometimes rational, it is amazing that you feel someone does not connect the dots if they disagree with you. Just like you Democrats, you try to twist the words to make yourself look better. Was it word twisting when they promised to reduce the price of gas, reduce the price of education, end ear marking....how much did Hillary and Obama ear mark? They control and still can't get anything done.
Where did I say that Obama is anti-war - I said just the opposite: Just like Obama saying he would do whatever is required to prevent the Iranians from obtaining nuclear weapons - why do I think that means another war.
Just like a good Democrat, you listen, you believe, you vote for them, they lie and you still defend them and their lies. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
You're right Cindi, the biggest whiner about us going into Iraq is now shouting he would do the very same thing about Iran, and Pakistan but the sad thing is he doesn't even see the correlation here.
We went into Iraq because of the threat of WMD and the threat of impending Nuclear capabilities by Saddam. Also for the $25,000 bonus being paid to each of the homocide bombers families creating mass fear and destruction world wide. Also because Saddam had ignored the last 18 resolutions imposed upon him by the U.N. Also because he ignored the "disarm or we will disarm you" promise imposed by the U.S. who had the guts and moral courage to stand up to this brutal dictator and threat to the world believing him when he admitted to acquiring such weaponry. In fact, I believe I heard a speech by Senator Clinton reiterating the very same threat and she said we had no choice but to disarm him.
Wow, sound familiar at all? So Barack is willing to invoke military force against Iran because they aren't listening to the U.N. but it wasn't ok for the US to do that in Iraq. How does he reconcile that? Shows grave immaturity and lack of experience.
Okay before the KD's pounce with the tired old...."there were no WMD's" "Bush Lied" manta, save it please. We all know they had the very same intelligence as Bush had and both parties agreed it was a necessary move. Saddam had the option to agree to disarm, he is the one that allowed the world arena to believe he had the WMD's so he paid the price for his duplicity.
For the liberals to continue with the falsehood that GWB and the eeeeevil republicans love war and plotted to find a way to go in is ludicrous. Look what has happened to the republican party and GWB because of the war, do you think they purposefully would do that to themselves if they felt they had a choice immediately following 9/11? No. History told them what they would be facing but they made the hard decision anyway and to give credit to the dems they made the hard decision also but now jump away with hands up saying it wasn't them. Sorry, both parties made the decision.
How does Barack reconcile his Hawk stance on Iran but not Iraq - two peas in a pod, in fact, Iraq was much worse considering he actually used the WDM on his own people and was stealing from the Food for Oil program to build his mansions and starve his people while blowing off the UN resolutions. I don't believe the Iranians are dealing with any of that as of yet, but who knows since it is also a closed society and we have to rely on intelligence whether it be accurate or not.
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Sometimes rational, it is amazing that you feel someone does not connect the dots if they disagree with you. Just like you Democrats, you try to twist the words to make yourself look better. Was it word twisting when they promised to reduce the price of gas, reduce the price of education, end ear marking....how much did Hillary and Obama ear mark? They control and still can't get anything done.
Where did I say that Obama is anti-war - I said just the opposite: Just like Obama saying he would do whatever is required to prevent the Iranians from obtaining nuclear weapons - why do I think that means another war.
Just like a good Democrat, you listen, you believe, you vote for them, they lie and you still defend them and their lies. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
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LucifersLandloard, below is the meaning of apparently:
apparently A adverb 1 obviously, evidently, manifestly, patently, apparently, plainly, plain
I never said, thus it was not obvious, evident, etc. that I forgave the Pope - these were words you put in, not my words or thoughts. If you want to know how someone feels, just ask.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: cindisue_g wrote: max22, you are not correct, you and LucifersLandlord and Sometimes Rational continue to put words where they don't belong. Case in point:
Where did I ever say that I forgave the Pope (LucifersLandlord's post said I did)?
You think McCain is MORE opposed to war than Obama? Really (Sometimes Rational's post) - I never even mentioned McCain, we were speaking about Obama.
They (referring to raz and myself) think that Bush is god (your comment), I have never once mentioned my feelings about Bush and guess what, you never asked-big surprise isn't that.
Now you are saying that I do not believe their are problems with the country.
Trying to make a point, is to discuss your feelings, but to do what was done above, is putting words into other peoples mouths. Now, I'll do it - you feel that giving $49,000 to Trinity Church in the last two years is gossip. Sorry, but it is a fact, look at Obama's own 2006 and 2007 tax returns. You feel it is gossip that he could not even answer the question on the debate as to his stand on gun control. You feel it is gossip that he retracted his comment that he did not go to the Trinity Church and hear reverend Wrights comments. You feel it is gossip that he has on a number of occasions said that he mis-spoke. Well, wrong on all counts.
There are many problems with the country, problems that have festered for years. Yes, we have been broken for many years. Do we need a change..you are damn right we do. But am I going to vote for someone like Obama, hell no. He will get us into more trouble then we are in now. So that leaves me with a delima....do I vote for Obama that I feel is a racists, someone who aligned himself for 20 years with a bigoted Reverend, who then lied about hearing what Wright said, who then admitted he lied and had heard it?....that is a vote you will have to cast. Do I vote for Obama in good conscious when he continually tap dances on the issues, do I vote for Obama whose lack of knowledge is unbelievable, do I vote for Obama when I speak to my friends in Illinois and they say he has done nothing for his state, do I vote for Obama who has continually "mis-spoken" and then had to go back and do damage control time after time. The answer is no..if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for his opponent. I will have to vote for what I feel is the lesser of the two evils.
You want change, that is exactly what the Democrat party promised and we are still waiting. They control the house and they still don't give us some of the things they promised (lower gas prices, lower education prices, no more ear-marks). Do we need change - hell yes we need change.
Before swinging a hollow club there Cindisue make sure you check that you do not leave out words yourself to your advantage.
Where did I ever say that I forgave the Pope (LucifersLandlord's post said I did)?
I said "apparently you have forgiven the Pope", and this was pretty clear with your comments about the difference between the 2.
I don't bother correcting her more than once, LL..she sorta doesn't connect the dots..like when she expressed concern that Obama is not anti-war enuf, so she likes McCain..go figure..it's like saying the food was awful and the portion was too small, lol/
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cindisue_g wrote: max22, you are not correct, you and LucifersLandlord and Sometimes Rational continue to put words where they don't belong. Case in point:
- Where did I ever say that I forgave the Pope (LucifersLandlord's post said I did)?
- You think McCain is MORE opposed to war than Obama? Really (Sometimes Rational's post) - I never even mentioned McCain, we were speaking about Obama.
- They (referring to raz and myself) think that Bush is god (your comment), I have never once mentioned my feelings about Bush and guess what, you never asked-big surprise isn't that.
- Now you are saying that I do not believe their are problems with the country.
Trying to make a point, is to discuss your feelings, but to do what was done above, is putting words into other peoples mouths. Now, I'll do it - you feel that giving $49,000 to Trinity Church in the last two years is gossip. Sorry, but it is a fact, look at Obama's own 2006 and 2007 tax returns. You feel it is gossip that he could not even answer the question on the debate as to his stand on gun control. You feel it is gossip that he retracted his comment that he did not go to the Trinity Church and hear reverend Wrights comments. You feel it is gossip that he has on a number of occasions said that he mis-spoke. Well, wrong on all counts.
There are many problems with the country, problems that have festered for years. Yes, we have been broken for many years. Do we need a change..you are damn right we do. But am I going to vote for someone like Obama, hell no. He will get us into more trouble then we are in now. So that leaves me with a delima....do I vote for Obama that I feel is a racists, someone who aligned himself for 20 years with a bigoted Reverend, who then lied about hearing what Wright said, who then admitted he lied and had heard it?....that is a vote you will have to cast. Do I vote for Obama in good conscious when he continually tap dances on the issues, do I vote for Obama whose lack of knowledge is unbelievable, do I vote for Obama when I speak to my friends in Illinois and they say he has done nothing for his state, do I vote for Obama who has continually "mis-spoken" and then had to go back and do damage control time after time. The answer is no..if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for his opponent. I will have to vote for what I feel is the lesser of the two evils.
You want change, that is exactly what the Democrat party promised and we are still waiting. They control the house and they still don't give us some of the things they promised (lower gas prices, lower education prices, no more ear-marks). Do we need change - hell yes we need change.
Before swinging a hollow club there Cindisue make sure you check that you do not leave out words yourself to your advantage.
- Where did I ever say that I forgave the Pope (LucifersLandlord's post said I did)?
I said "apparently you have forgiven the Pope", and this was pretty clear with your comments about the difference between the 2.
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Luci wrote..
Ok so the Pope didnt like and he didnt inhale either. Sorry missing meetings was not to much of an option back then and you were suspect if you did not attend. Plus in true fashion you misread the comparison since you both apparently forgive the Pope for one of the most barbaric tragedies of our time and condem another for sitting in the same room hearing unpatriotic preaching that didnt result in the deaths of some 25 million people across Europe. Do I believe the Wiki, I guess I have too since its there but we know better since most records were destroyed back then...
Hey, if you get some kind of sick thrill out of denigrating the Holy Father of the Catholic Church, then knock yourself out there. I for one have nothing but respect for a man who was raised in such a terrible time and able to rise to where he is today is nothing short of a miracle. The Pope had nothing to do with the holocaust and you know it. To compare the Pope in the same breath as the despicable screeching of the Obama's Pastor Wright is sickening.
How does one defame a Holy Man who travels the world preaching Peace, Love and Hope? Shameful.
Spoken like a true republican Raz, deflect the question at hand and attack the messenger" a claim you so often try and call people on" for asking a question.
Thats Shameful
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razenkn wrote:
Hey, if you get some kind of sick thrill out of denigrating the Holy Father of the Catholic Church, then knock yourself out there. I for one have nothing but respect for a man who was raised in such a terrible time and able to rise to where he is today is nothing short of a miracle. The Pope had nothing to do with the holocaust and you know it. To compare the Pope in the same breath as the despicable screeching of the Obama's Pastor Wright is sickening.
How does one defame a Holy Man who travels the world preaching Peace, Love and Hope? Shameful. Umm...Obama preaches Peace, Love and Hope and you defame him on a regular basis...the Pope's past is above question, but Obama's pastor is not? give us a break.
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Luci wrote..
Ok so the Pope didnt like and he didnt inhale either. Sorry missing meetings was not to much of an option back then and you were suspect if you did not attend. Plus in true fashion you misread the comparison since you both apparently forgive the Pope for one of the most barbaric tragedies of our time and condem another for sitting in the same room hearing unpatriotic preaching that didnt result in the deaths of some 25 million people across Europe. Do I believe the Wiki, I guess I have too since its there but we know better since most records were destroyed back then...
Hey, if you get some kind of sick thrill out of denigrating the Holy Father of the Catholic Church, then knock yourself out there. I for one have nothing but respect for a man who was raised in such a terrible time and able to rise to where he is today is nothing short of a miracle. The Pope had nothing to do with the holocaust and you know it. To compare the Pope in the same breath as the despicable screeching of the Obama's Pastor Wright is sickening.
How does one defame a Holy Man who travels the world preaching Peace, Love and Hope? Shameful.
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max22 wrote: There you go LucifersLandlord, just like Sometimes Rational and Max22 putting words where they were not to try to make your point across. I never forgave the Pope for anything - merely pointed out that he did not attend the meetings, but Obama listened to the crap for so many, many years - there is a difference one didn't agree with something, so they took a stand and did not attend - the other must have agreed with what was being said otherwise he would have left that church and found a church that did not believe in separatism and was not anti-white.
We are not putting words where they don't belong. We are simply trying to make a point with you guys and you keep trying to drag us down to the gossip/tabloid issues.
There are serious problems with this country right now whether you want to believe it or not. The average American is having trouble these days. Food prices, gas prices, meager salaries, leaving their homes, suffering because they can't afford health isurance...How much more does there need to be for you guys to get a grip on what is truley going.
max22, you are not correct, you and LucifersLandlord and Sometimes Rational continue to put words where they don't belong. Case in point:
- Where did I ever say that I forgave the Pope (LucifersLandlord's post said I did)?
- You think McCain is MORE opposed to war than Obama? Really (Sometimes Rational's post) - I never even mentioned McCain, we were speaking about Obama.
- They (referring to raz and myself) think that Bush is god (your comment), I have never once mentioned my feelings about Bush and guess what, you never asked-big surprise isn't that.
- Now you are saying that I do not believe their are problems with the country.
Trying to make a point, is to discuss your feelings, but to do what was done above, is putting words into other peoples mouths. Now, I'll do it - you feel that giving $49,000 to Trinity Church in the last two years is gossip. Sorry, but it is a fact, look at Obama's own 2006 and 2007 tax returns. You feel it is gossip that he could not even answer the question on the debate as to his stand on gun control. You feel it is gossip that he retracted his comment that he did not go to the Trinity Church and hear reverend Wrights comments. You feel it is gossip that he has on a number of occasions said that he mis-spoke. Well, wrong on all counts.
There are many problems with the country, problems that have festered for years. Yes, we have been broken for many years. Do we need a change..you are damn right we do. But am I going to vote for someone like Obama, hell no. He will get us into more trouble then we are in now. So that leaves me with a delima....do I vote for Obama that I feel is a racists, someone who aligned himself for 20 years with a bigoted Reverend, who then lied about hearing what Wright said, who then admitted he lied and had heard it?....that is a vote you will have to cast. Do I vote for Obama in good conscious when he continually tap dances on the issues, do I vote for Obama whose lack of knowledge is unbelievable, do I vote for Obama when I speak to my friends in Illinois and they say he has done nothing for his state, do I vote for Obama who has continually "mis-spoken" and then had to go back and do damage control time after time. The answer is no..if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for his opponent. I will have to vote for what I feel is the lesser of the two evils.
You want change, that is exactly what the Democrat party promised and we are still waiting. They control the house and they still don't give us some of the things they promised (lower gas prices, lower education prices, no more ear-marks). Do we need change - hell yes we need change.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Actually Cindisue, The Pope claims to not like it and did not attend the meetings.
Obama claims to not like it and did not attend every assembly..
Finally there is no proof to back eithers claim other than their word. So I will apologize if I misunderstood your comments. Their is no difference between the two of them then dont you agree....
My proof is that Obama even through last year, gave thousands to the Trinity Church ($22,500 in 2006 and $26,000 in 2007) I guess you feel he just gave money to a church that he did not attend regularly as well as disagreeing in what they said - I would bet my last dollar if we looked back on his tax returns for the last 20 years, the Trinity Church (the one we don't have proof that he attended) got money donated. Plus Obama admitted that he did attend and heard the good Reverend, but that was only after the news got a hold of the hatred Wright spewed to his parishioners (so not only was he there, he initially lied about it).
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blackjack wrote: sometimes rational wrote: max22 wrote: notice anything SR...the whole bitter "non-issue" hasn't changed a thing...actually Obama gained some points in PA...lol...
If the hard core Bushheads want to look for 'bitter' they need not go further than the 70% of us digusted with the Bush administration and the Republican agenda. There is nothing wrong with being bitter.....those bitter are the victims...the problem is those responsible for the bitterness....The whole issue of if it was inappropriate of Obama to term some of the victims of this economy as bitter is as stupid an issue as Obama not wearing a lapel pin...on that subject, I' ve notice Bush's lapel pin to have a wavy kind of stripe pattern...I think there is something subversive about that...Charles Giblons ought to hammer Bush on that during the next press conference. SR, do you consider yourleft a bitter victim? Just curious.
Uh-uh--got more than a lot..less then some and grateful for everything...and empathetic for those struggling.
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What's the "gossip" exactly? I think who most people associate themselves with is tantamount to their character and their belief system.
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There you go LucifersLandlord, just like Sometimes Rational and Max22 putting words where they were not to try to make your point across. I never forgave the Pope for anything - merely pointed out that he did not attend the meetings, but Obama listened to the crap for so many, many years - there is a difference one didn't agree with something, so they took a stand and did not attend - the other must have agreed with what was being said otherwise he would have left that church and found a church that did not believe in separatism and was not anti-white.
We are not putting words where they don't belong. We are simply trying to make a point with you guys and you keep trying to drag us down to the gossip/tabloid issues.
There are serious problems with this country right now whether you want to believe it or not. The average American is having trouble these days. Food prices, gas prices, meager salaries, leaving their homes, suffering because they can't afford health isurance...How much more does there need to be for you guys to get a grip on what is truley going.
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Awww yes, WIKEDPEDIA the website that everyone goes to for FALSE information because people can go on and change it to how they view it. Now I see where you aren't coming from.
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Actually Cindisue, The Pope claims to not like it and did not attend the meetings.
Obama claims to not like it and did not attend every assembly..
Finally there is no proof to back eithers claim other than their word. So I will apologize if I misunderstood your comments. Their is no difference between the two of them then dont you agree....
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LucifersLandlord wrote: cindisue_g wrote: max22 wrote: Ummm...not it's not BS...
Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth membership being legally required after December 1939.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_pope#Early_life_.281927.E2.80.931951.29
although he didn't like it and didn't attend the meetings...he still was a member of nazi youth...
So for you raz, he must be a nazi, because you have a guilt by association attitude...look at how you judge Obama...
You showed the difference between the Pope and Obama - the Pope did not attend the meetings - Obama attended the good Reverend's church for many, many years. I guess it just shows the difference in the two men, one objected and didn't attend - the other ???
Ok so the Pope didnt like and he didnt inhale either. Sorry missing meetings was not to much of an option back then and you were suspect if you did not attend. Plus in true fashion you misread the comparison since you both apparently forgive the Pope for one of the most barbaric tragedies of our time and condem another for sitting in the same room hearing unpatriotic preaching that didnt result in the deaths of some 25 million people across Europe. Do I believe the Wiki, I guess I have too since its there but we know better since most records were destroyed back then...
There you go LucifersLandlord, just like Sometimes Rational and Max22 putting words where they were not to try to make your point across. I never forgave the Pope for anything - merely pointed out that he did not attend the meetings, but Obama listened to the crap for so many, many years - there is a difference one didn't agree with something, so they took a stand and did not attend - the other must have agreed with what was being said otherwise he would have left that church and found a church that did not believe in separatism and was not anti-white.
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razenkn wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: Hey if a former Hitler Youth Nazi can be Pope, well the sky is the limit for Obama..... I know he was forced to join and serve. The fact that he did says more than we will ever need to know about his character. We all have a choice and he made his.
Stupid is as stupid does. That would be anyone who believes what they hear on The Bill Maher show about the Pope. The Catholic Germans helped the Jews escape, the Pope was never a former Hitler nazi in any fashion. That is just a bunch of far left atheist BS that completely baffles me why any sane person would repeat such bilge.
I dont watch the show Raz so find another comparison..... You just show your ignorance and denial of all information presented by others by stating that the Pope was never a former Hitler Nazi in any fashion. The Pope himself admitted it and it was all over FOX news the day he was being confirmed. Shameful, as for being an atheist. Try again there buddy. I am a believer like you....
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cindisue_g wrote: max22 wrote: Ummm...not it's not BS...
Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth membership being legally required after December 1939.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_pope#Early_life_.281927.E2.80.931951.29
although he didn't like it and didn't attend the meetings...he still was a member of nazi youth...
So for you raz, he must be a nazi, because you have a guilt by association attitude...look at how you judge Obama...
You showed the difference between the Pope and Obama - the Pope did not attend the meetings - Obama attended the good Reverend's church for many, many years. I guess it just shows the difference in the two men, one objected and didn't attend - the other ???
Ok so the Pope didnt like and he didnt inhale either. Sorry missing meetings was not to much of an option back then and you were suspect if you did not attend. Plus in true fashion you misread the comparison since you both apparently forgive the Pope for one of the most barbaric tragedies of our time and condem another for sitting in the same room hearing unpatriotic preaching that didnt result in the deaths of some 25 million people across Europe. Do I believe the Wiki, I guess I have too since its there but we know better since most records were destroyed back then...
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max22 wrote: Ummm...not it's not BS...
Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth membership being legally required after December 1939.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_pope#Early_life_.281927.E2.80.931951.29
although he didn't like it and didn't attend the meetings...he still was a member of nazi youth...
So for you raz, he must be a nazi, because you have a guilt by association attitude...look at how you judge Obama...
You showed the difference between the Pope and Obama - the Pope did not attend the meetings - Obama attended the good Reverend's church for many, many years. I guess it just shows the difference in the two men, one objected and didn't attend - the other ???
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Ummm...not it's not BS...
Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth membership being legally required after December 1939.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_pope#Early_life_.281927.E2.80.931951.29
although he didn't like it and didn't attend the meetings...he still was a member of nazi youth...
So for you raz, he must be a nazi, because you have a guilt by association attitude...look at how you judge Obama...
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Hey if a former Hitler Youth Nazi can be Pope, well the sky is the limit for Obama..... I know he was forced to join and serve. The fact that he did says more than we will ever need to know about his character. We all have a choice and he made his.
Stupid is as stupid does. That would be anyone who believes what they hear on The Bill Maher show about the Pope. The Catholic Germans helped the Jews escape, the Pope was never a former Hitler nazi in any fashion. That is just a bunch of far left atheist BS |