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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 07:52 pm |
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Fuuny how that works. I just listened to a couple of ladies from the Democratic Party this evening and they are so outraged at how Hillary has been kicked to the curb to make way for Obama that they are saying they and their organizations, 1000's of women will gladly leave the party and more than likely vote for McCain if they don't start recognizing them.
Funny huh??
WOW, what are the chances huh? At the same time you were listening to a couple of Democratic ladies (I suppose they had Democratic T shirts on so ya knew) , I just happened to overhear 42..maybe 43, Republican ladies AND gentlemen claim they decided to vote for Obama because they are soooo embarrassed by their party, they can't stand it any more...then they removed their Republican hats and T-shirts and paraded around shirtless (the women, too) and hatless.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 03:21 am |
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Fuuny how that works. I just listened to a couple of ladies from the Democratic Party this evening and they are so outraged at how Hillary has been kicked to the curb to make way for Obama that they are saying they and their organizations, 1000's of women will gladly leave the party and more than likely vote for McCain if they don't start recognizing them.
Funny huh??
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:47 am |
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Well I am sorry to see that the Obama camp didn't slap the Prez a little harder than they did with his riotous comments about appeasement with terrorists. The Prez seems to think that he can makes such comments to the Israeli's and look like some kind of hero when in fact he appeases another terrorist group with the same hatred of the Israeli's. His friendly demeanor and down right favoritism of the Saudis is sickening and we kiss their a$$ and they pay us back with the 19 terrorists from 9/11....... Strong comments I think not, the Prez has stepped up and made a fool of his party again. What a shame.... His silence during the race was golden and probably would have helped his poll ratings. Hopefully Mcain will cuss him out..
I'ts why the number of Repubs leaving the party is what it is. After 7 years of him, most of us don't notice when the Pres makes a fool of himself...the Pub's are starting to notice tho. Can't wait for the first McBush/Obama debate...you notice that now they're starting to bash O for hs intelligence? They know we can't reciprocate as far as Bush goes...McCain, on the other hand, likes to brag that he finished 4th from the bottom at the navel academy...Excellent..that really impresses me.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:41 am |
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Geez BJ, maybe you should use crayons and pictures next time. I understood it just fine. 
Somehow, I thought you would, hon. You do speak the same language: repubbiebabble...it's not what you say it's what you meant to say..
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:35 am |
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Well I am sorry to see that the Obama camp didn't slap the Prez a little harder than they did with his riotous comments about appeasement with terrorists. The Prez seems to think that he can makes such comments to the Israeli's and look like some kind of hero when in fact he appeases another terrorist group with the same hatred of the Israeli's. His friendly demeanor and down right favoritism of the Saudis is sickening and we kiss their a$$ and they pay us back with the 19 terrorists from 9/11....... Strong comments I think not, the Prez has stepped up and made a fool of his party again. What a shame.... His silence during the race was golden and probably would have helped his poll ratings. Hopefully Mcain will cuss him out..
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 12:13 am |
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Geez BJ, maybe you should use crayons and pictures next time. I understood it just fine. 
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 11:42 pm |
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blackjack wrote: sometimes rational wrote: blackjack wrote: SR: So. does this mean that if you're black and don't vote for McCain, you're a racist too?
Well, I guess you should ask the liberal left media but I don't recall them ever mentioning that as a possibility. Keep in mind SR, I'm not the one who said that if you don't vote for obama that your either an uneducated redneck or a racist, your liberal left media friends can take credit for that statement.
Sorry, but you sure did say it..May 14. second sentence.
The lines have been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media. If your white and you don't vote for obama your either an uneducated redneck or a racist. That is one of many reasons why he will never be president.
SR, like I've said before, you really need to work on your comprehension. Please note that I was stating the lines had been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media and my next sentence went on to state the lines the liberal left politically correct media had drawn. Comprehend??
Sorry. sweetie, but if the above, which was a c&p from your post, didn't reflect your intended thought, you need to work on your grammar
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 06:09 pm |
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sometimes rational wrote: blackjack wrote: SR: So. does this mean that if you're black and don't vote for McCain, you're a racist too?
Well, I guess you should ask the liberal left media but I don't recall them ever mentioning that as a possibility. Keep in mind SR, I'm not the one who said that if you don't vote for obama that your either an uneducated redneck or a racist, your liberal left media friends can take credit for that statement.
Sorry, but you sure did say it..May 14. second sentence.
The lines have been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media. If your white and you don't vote for obama your either an uneducated redneck or a racist. That is one of many reasons why he will never be president.
SR, like I've said before, you really need to work on your comprehension. Please note that I was stating the lines had been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media and my next sentence went on to state the lines the liberal left politically correct media had drawn. Comprehend??
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 05:40 pm |
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blackjack wrote: SR: So. does this mean that if you're black and don't vote for McCain, you're a racist too?
Well, I guess you should ask the liberal left media but I don't recall them ever mentioning that as a possibility. Keep in mind SR, I'm not the one who said that if you don't vote for obama that your either an uneducated redneck or a racist, your liberal left media friends can take credit for that statement.
Sorry, but you sure did say it..May 14. second sentence.
The lines have been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media. If your white and you don't vote for obama your either an uneducated redneck or a racist. That is one of many reasons why he will never be president.
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 04:18 pm |
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SR: So. does this mean that if you're black and don't vote for McCain, you're a racist too?
Well, I guess you should ask the liberal left media but I don't recall them ever mentioning that as a possibility. Keep in mind SR, I'm not the one who said that if you don't vote for obama that your either an uneducated redneck or a racist, your liberal left media friends can take credit for that statement.
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 03:18 am |
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DUH!!! wrote: Please tell me, When did raz ever have it? RAZ claimed to have been a Democrat once upon a time..he had it then..then he lost it...now, I don't think RAZ will ever get it again.
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 02:49 am |
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blackjack wrote: The lines have been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media. If your white and you don't vote for obama your either an uneducated redneck or a racist. That is one of many reasons why he will never be president.
So. does this mean that if you're black and don't vote for McCain, you're a racist too? How about if you're white and vote for Obama..if he wins, and he will, it won't be just because of blacks..and it won't be because of only the Democrats...Repubs and Indies will be making the switch....but, once again, for the 100th time, why do you far-righties only bash Obama without finding anything to praise about McBush?
The answer to that question is the reason Barack Obama will be President on Jan. 20, 2009.
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 12:50 am |
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blackjack wrote: The lines have been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media. If your white and you don't vote for obama your either an uneducated redneck or a racist. That is one of many reasons why he will never be president.
You couldn't have stated it better BJ. He will not be elected. There is so much coming out about him that is beyond disturbing, his appeal is lost on the middle class small town Americans he dismissed as bitter. That will be the one to bite him in the butt, but the dangerous liaisons will do greater harm because it will outline distinctly who he is and what his real belief system is and nobody will be able to defend it.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:02 pm |
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| The lines have been drawn by the liberal left politically correct media. If your white and you don't vote for obama your either an uneducated redneck or a racist. That is one of many reasons why he will never be president.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 05:16 am |
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Did you guys know that Obama was black? Well, actually he is half black, but the liberal media love to tout him as the historical "black" candidate. But, if you didn't know he was black, you should listen to Hillary's campaign members or even Obama's or hey better yet, listen to Michelle Obama's speeches because she will enlighten you on how tough their struggle is because Obama is black. "They keep movin' the bar" she says.
Better yet, you should contact REV Wright, because he definitely will let you know Obama is black and how awful he has been treated, remember, Hillary has never been called the "N" word. Was that a conservative who said that or was that .....a liberal, a very far left liberal who is Obama's mentor.
I have absolutely no patience for this patronizing racial crap. Either it's fair game for all or none. Personally, I don't think it should be at all. But it appears to be a convenience thing for the liberals. Use it when it comes in handy. Sorry, it's not working folks. Get a new game. Obama is black, McCain is old, and Hillary is a woman, (she is a woman isn't she?)
this post removes all doubt..RAZ has lost it.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:29 am |
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Did you guys know that Obama was black? Well, actually he is half black, but the liberal media love to tout him as the historical "black" candidate. But, if you didn't know he was black, you should listen to Hillary's campaign members or even Obama's or hey better yet, listen to Michelle Obama's speeches because she will enlighten you on how tough their struggle is because Obama is black. "They keep movin' the bar" she says.
Better yet, you should contact REV Wright, because he definitely will let you know Obama is black and how awful he has been treated, remember, Hillary has never been called the "N" word. Was that a conservative who said that or was that .....a liberal, a very far left liberal who is Obama's mentor.
I have absolutely no patience for this patronizing racial crap. Either it's fair game for all or none. Personally, I don't think it should be at all. But it appears to be a convenience thing for the liberals. Use it when it comes in handy. Sorry, it's not working folks. Get a new game. Obama is black, McCain is old, and Hillary is a woman, (she is a woman isn't she?)
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Didn't you get the memo SR, all the liberals are supposed to come after the conservatves as racist when they mention Obama. If you disagree with anything Obama says or does, then you are automatically a racist, what a smart strategy that is, except it doesn't work for thick headed conservatives like me who know better. 
No, that memo came from Rush so it goes directly into the junk mail file. So, are you denying that your posts repeatedly remind us Obama is black? Seems that you brought up the 'racist; label, not me...but it issss curious how you won't let go of it...As SM2 said, he's black, we get it...RAZ, honey, move on. So who are the "thick headed conservatives" going to vote for, unless McCain..wait, wait, you said he was too old to be President...maybe you're thinking liberatarian...excellent move...make my day.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 02:56 am |
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Reactr wrote: Razenkn: You seem to have accumulated a lot of information on Obama. I would like to see the reasons you don't support him for president. It is so difficult to select someone from the choices we have.
Lets see, their religion is not like mine and we cant have that ... Questionable contacts or friends....Oh and they are a liar....
Wait a minute which candidate were you asking about??? Oh well that should just about cover all three of them anyway.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 02:43 am |
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| Razenkn: You seem to have accumulated a lot of information on Obama. I would like to see the reasons you don't support him for president. It is so difficult to select someone from the choices we have.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 01:39 am |
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Didn't you get the memo SR, all the liberals are supposed to come after the conservatves as racist when they mention Obama. If you disagree with anything Obama says or does, then you are automatically a racist, what a smart strategy that is, except it doesn't work for thick headed conservatives like me who know better. 
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 12:20 am |
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There are many, many, many reasons why I think it would be a problem if Obama were to become President, but none have to do with his race. I don't personally care if he is green or purple, I believe him to be a fatally flawed candidate that would be dangerous for our country.
Why are you so hypersenstive about the fact that he is black, and really it's ok to mention that because nobody mentions it more than his and Hillary's campaigns. That is all you hear about from both of them, it's not the conservatives out there.
I have many issues with John McCain, as well and I believe I have outlined them to ad nauseum, but the fact that he is old is one of the more insignificant ones.
The fact that Obama is black won't keep him from the Oval office anymore than the fact McCain is old, or the fact that Hillary is a woman. (She is a woman, isn't she??)
Those items are the least of their worries.
soooo, sooooo obvious what you're attempting to do...The fact that you're unable to make a post with mentioning, at least twice, that Obama is black....and now you're saying, RAZ, that McCain's age is insignificant..you must have forgotten that you posted previously that McCain was "too old to be President". Funny how ya change with the wind...wait..McBush does that too.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 09:41 pm |
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There are many, many, many reasons why I think it would be a problem if Obama were to become President, but none have to do with his race. I don't personally care if he is green or purple, I believe him to be a fatally flawed candidate that would be dangerous for our country.
Why are you so hypersenstive about the fact that he is black, and really it's ok to mention that because nobody mentions it more than his and Hillary's campaigns. That is all you hear about from both of them, it's not the conservatives out there.
I have many issues with John McCain, as well and I believe I have outlined them to ad nauseum, but the fact that he is old is one of the more insignificant ones.
The fact that Obama is black won't keep him from the Oval office anymore than the fact McCain is old, or the fact that Hillary is a woman. (She is a woman, isn't she??)
Those items are the least of their worries.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 07:42 pm |
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Yes, Obama is half black and McCain is old. We get it.
I can't believe you just brought up McCain's age!!! Myself and many others on here believe we should just be talking about policies and look what you did! Yes we know McCain is old, I think you might have a problem with age, but in any event we need to stay on topic.  Have to ask you, if Obama was all white and not just half white, would it have been ok if I said the "S" word then? Or is it NEVER allowed? I get so confused on these rules don't you??
Ok, you want to talk about it. What things do you foresee being a problem for Obama being our President because he's half black? What problems would there be for the USA if McCain is elected and he's old?
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 07:37 pm |
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Yes, Obama is half black and McCain is old. We get it.
I can't believe you just brought up McCain's age!!! Myself and many others on here believe we should just be talking about policies and look what you did! Yes we know McCain is old, I think you might have a problem with age, but in any event we need to stay on topic.  
Have to ask you, if Obama was all white and not just half white, would it have been ok if I said the "S" word then? Or is it NEVER allowed? I get so confused on these rules don't you??
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Oh no!!! We can't say the S word either??? First we can't acknowledge that Barack Obama is a black man and now we can't even refer to the "S" word?? Is the word slavery (oops, said it again) a dirty word? Is it forbidden by liberals to use the "S" word or has there been some kind of constitutional amendment saying it was not allowed. Oh, but that's right. The black community uses the "S" word quite frequently when they want to make a liberal guilty statement towards the eeevil conservatives. You need to grow a thicker skin SM2 or you will go through life being battered and bruised.
I (along with numerous others) have only asked that we stick to news of the candidates. We all know that Obama is half black. WE all know that his race is not all that he respresents, he is a fine candidate. Attack his beliefs if you disagree with his beliefs but why must you keep reminding people that he's half black like that should matter? Or does it bother you that Obama is half black? If that's the case then just say that is what is bothering you about Obama. Let it go Raz, yes, we all know that Obama is half black and it is 2008.
I am beginning to wonder if you are just trying to stir things up. Yes, Obama is half black and McCain is old. We get it.
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Oh no!!! We can't say the S word either??? First we can't acknowledge that Barack Obama is a black man and now we can't even refer to the "S" word?? Is the word slavery (oops, said it again) a dirty word? Is it forbidden by liberals to use the "S" word or has there been some kind of constitutional amendment saying it was not allowed. Oh, but that's right. The black community uses the "S" word quite frequently when they want to make a liberal guilty statement towards the eeevil conservatives. You need to grow a thicker skin SM2 or you will go through life being battered and bruised.
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Got this from CNN..no date..reported to be McCain
"... I've survived so many things that I know that it's my chance and my opportunity to serve this country a little while longer. And my friends, as president of the United States, I will call Americans to serve a cause greater than their self interest, the noblest cause is service to your country. I will call a generation to serve, a cause greater than their self interest."
Ambiguous, methinks as to if it speaks exclusively of a draft....but both Hillary and Obama have called for some sort of nation service, could be public health, peace corp, military, or other options..they spoke of it in terms of a swap for free college.
McCain is actually on record as opposing a draft..as of 2007, anyway..and the reason he provided is that he never met a rich person who would unable to get out of a daft with the proper note from his doctor...Excuse me: isn't a benefit of a draft is to assure that rich and poor are treated equally in terms of serving?
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razenkn wrote: ...I think I heard someone say that Obama is going to bring back slavery to create jobs since the economy is so down. See how stupid that sounds?
Why did you have to bring up slavery??? You're right, that does sound stupid for you to say that.
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Andyman wrote: I heard someone on TV this morning say that McCain is going to reinstate the draft so he can rebuild our military forces. Voluntary enrollment is so far down.
The trouble with that inaccurate statement is you didn't hear McCain say that. 
I think I heard someone say that Obama is going to bring back slavery to create jobs since the economy is so down. See how stupid that sounds?
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I heard someone on TV this morning say that McCain is going to reinstate the draft so he can rebuild our military forces. Voluntary enrollment is so far down.
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I actually agree with SR ( ). There is a "steamroller" coming for sure and it's called the truth. The truth of who Barack Obama is will come in such a fashion that nobody will be able to deny who he really is. If you can still in good conscience votre for him after hearing "in your face truth, indisputable facts" about this fatally flawed candidate for the sake of the party, then you will deserve what you get and it won't be good.
After stripping away the big smile, friendly demeanor, and youth there is a very dangerous undertone to Mr Obama's belief system that could destroy our country. My country comes first and foremost before any party and one can only pray clear thinking American's will follow that path in the end.
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Reactr wrote: Obama has already been contaminated due to his endorsement by VERY wealthy socialist radicals such as Kerry and Kennedy. Part of the Kerry/Kennedy endorsement is to get Obama in the white house to appoint Marxist judges on the supreme court to speed up the death of American free enterprise and recreate a replica of the old soviet empire.
Conspiracy theory, anyone? I can't wait to get some Supreme Ct judges replaced..it's called moving forward to reflect positive change...do Americans want change? You bet your bippy..and you'll see it in the November election..sorry if you won't like it...you conservatives have been in power for 7, almost 8, long years...we have you to thank for the decline in this country in everything from security, to peace, to advances in medicine, education, the economy.....if you want the status quo, you better get out of the way...there is a steamroller coming.Last edited on Tue May 13th, 2008 04:32 am by sometimes rational
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I don't believe it makes him stronger at all. I think the liberal leaders need to get this settled immediately before more damage is done.
The liberal leaders love him. Don't worry about them. They will put him in the White House.
Your leaders need to look at the poll numbers and figure out where they are going to find that rabbit to pull out of their hats. If this crap made Ombama stronger and this is all they got - President Obama can go back to that beach and take a little time off.
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| Obama has already been contaminated due to his endorsement by VERY wealthy socialist radicals such as Kerry and Kennedy. Part of the Kerry/Kennedy endorsement is to get Obama in the white house to appoint Marxist judges on the supreme court to speed up the death of American free enterprise and recreate a replica of the old soviet empire.
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Andyman wrote: Keep those scandals coming, it just makes him stronger. 
I don't believe it makes him stronger at all. I think the liberal leaders need to get this settled immediately before more damage is done, they have no choice now but to take him - they will never openly admit they have a seriously flawed candidate on their hands but they do. Once he is official, then they will do what some on here are trying to do, minimize the information, laugh it off, ridicule people for mentioning it, calling us racist, but here is a newsflash, it won't work. This is way too important.
He will remain a flawed candidate unless.....he can explain away his friendships/associations, denounces his church because it is what it is, a black liberation theology bordering on Marxism. Definitely not mainstream America stuff do you think? That is why Hillary is hanging in there, she knows what is coming down the pike.
See, this is the problem Andyman, I don't see this as a scandal in any way. I don't view the REV Wright or Bill Ayers-Bernadene Dorhn as scandals. A scandal would be if he had a fling with a 22 year old intern in the Oval office, that is characterized as a scandal.
This is all about judgement in who you surround yourself with and your belief system is. If this is truly his belief system and I'm beginning to think it is, then he should be upfront and say yes, this is what I believe. That is why I go to this church, this is why I hang with far left radicals and that is why my wife is so angry about America and why I allow my two daughters to listen to Moses being called a thug by the Pastor while he praises a drug dealing violent rapper. That is why I did a shady land deal with my other neighbor Tony Rezko who is on trial. (Nice neighborhood huh?)
What concerns me about him, and I have the right to be concerned if he is to be our next president, is he says one thing but lives another. It's just like the old adage, don't say I do, do as I say type of scenario that we are watching unfold. Very confusing and very disturbing.
Everybody continues to attempt to turn our attention to John McCain. He is already the nonminee. Obama isn't, we are still trying to figure out who the heck he is before it gets settled. Of course we are going to focus on him.
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Just wait til he gets the nomination...he'll streamroll McBush...the Hillary fans will fall into line..they're Democrats first and McCain is not a viable alternative.
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Keep those scandals coming, it just makes him stronger. 
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CBS Poll: Support For Obama Rebounds
In Wake Of Controversy Over Former Pastor, Illinois Senator Builds Lead Over McCain, Clinton
(CBS) Democrat Barack Obama appears to have rebounded from some of the damage caused by the controversy surrounding his former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright, according to the latest CBS News/New York Times poll.
On one key measure, Obama has seen a big reversal since his denunciation of Wright’s remarks on Tuesday. He now leads presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in the hypothetical fall contest by eleven points, 51 percent to 40 percent. That compares to a tied match-up in a CBS News/New York Times poll that was released last Wednesday.
Positive assessments of how Obama has handled the situation with Wright are also reflected by a continued lead over fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton in his battle for their party’s nomination. Among Democratic primary voters (those who have voted or plan to vote in a Democratic primary) Obama’s lead over Clinton has increased -- he now leads Clinton by twelve points, 50 percent to 38 percent. That’s up from his eight point lead in the poll released just a few days ago.
The poll also shows good news for both Democrats in a campaign versus McCain in the fall. Just like Obama, Clinton’s lead over McCain has jumped, from 5 to 12 points.
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Just when you think maybe Obama really has turned the page, then something like this comes to light....unbelieveable!! I seriously don't think he gets it at all, this has been his life for the past 20 years and is indoctrined.
OBAMA EMBRACES NEW CAUSTIC PASTOR...
Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:39 AM
By: Ronald Kessler
Can you imagine the president of the United States attending a church where the pastor says everyone has a bit of “thug” in him and praises a rapper with a criminal record as a prophet?
How about a pastor who calls the biblical patriarch Abraham a “pimp” and says Noah and Moses were thugs, Jesus has a “soft spot for thugs,” and everyone has some “thug proclivities.”
If Barack Obama is elected president, that is exactly what will happen. Now that the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. is retiring from Trinity United Church of Christ, Obama has said he will continue to attend the church.
Explaining his decision, Sen. Obama said that the “new pastor, the young pastor, Reverend Otis Moss, is a wonderful young pastor.” He said he also still values the Trinity community.
Known as the "hip-hop pastor," Otis Moss III has served as assistant pastor of the church for two years. Moss officially takes over in June.
While Moss has not expressed hatred of America and of whites, as Wright did, in a sermon on YouTube, Moss derides middle-class America for not accepting the “prophetic brilliance” of thugs.
Referring to these thugs, Moss says sardonically, “There are times when our prejudice keeps us from hearing ghetto prophets, who preach a brand of thug theology which keeps us from hearing the truth from their lips because of their course language and ragged subject-verb agreement.”
To applause, Moss approvingly cites Tupac Shakur, a “gangsta” rap star with a long arrest record. Before being fatally shot in a drive-by attack in Las Vegas in 1996, Shakur faced a 120-day sentence for probation violations stemming from offenses including assault and battery and a 1994 sexual abuse conviction in New York. Shakur served 11 months in prison for his involvement in the sexual attack on a 21-year-old woman in a New York hotel room. Judge Daniel P. Fitzgerald of the State Supreme Court in Manhattan described it as “an act of brutal violence against a helpless woman.”
Shakur had also been convicted in Los Angeles of assault and battery on a music video producer and for carrying a loaded, concealed weapon.
Most Americans look to places of worship for inspiration and moral and spiritual guidance. Moss’ message is the opposite. Claiming Shakur’s message speaks to our “current condition,” Moss blurs the distinction between right and wrong: He says those who don’t get that a rapper like Shakur is a prophet and biblical figures are thugs are confined by “bourgeois paradigms.”
Instead of condemning those who break the law, Moss says to exuberant applause, “Our society creates thugs. Children are not born thugs. Thugs are made and not born.” He adds, “This is good news for somebody who has a proclivity for 'ghettoistic' conduct.”
Indeed, it is good news for those who do not want to be held accountable for their own conduct. In making that statement, Moss endorses the message of many black leaders who encourage blacks to see themselves as helpless victims of a bigoted society. As outlined in the Newsmax article “Rev. Wright Furthers Black Victimhood,” the victim mentality limits blacks’ aspirations and torpedoes their chances at success.
What is most disturbing about Obama’s continuing attendance at Trinity is the fact that he is exposing his children to its negative message. Instead of uplifting members of his congregation and calling on them to adhere to the best values, Moss denigrates American society and looks to guidance from thugs.
A president is commander in chief and chief executive officer of the government. But he is also a moral leader. When President Clinton was caught having sex with Monica Lewinsky, parents all over the country were embarrassed and disgusted that they had to explain to their pre-teens the meaning of the sexual terms their kids read in newspaper articles describing Clinton’s activities with the 22–year-old White House intern.
What kind of moral leadership can be exercised by a man who sends his kids to listen to sermons denouncing America and whites and now calling Moses a thug and praising a convicted rapper as a prophet? What kind of example is set by a man who does not denounce the destructive message sent by this church to blacks and whites alike?
Tragically for segments of black society, in belonging to Trinity and contributing $26,270 to it last year, Obama is helping to spread the crippling message among blacks that they are victims.
Apologists for Obama will say where he attends church and what he exposes his children to have nothing to do with being president. They are mistaken. It has everything to do with being president.
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deuce wrote: DesertHawk has swooped down and sunk his claws into some folks and is flying away with his prey.
He's sort of an old hawk..we might be too heavy for him.
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razenkn wrote:
SR, don't be dragging me in on this deal. I don't agree with you on much of anything. In fact, I pretty much think you are wrong on just about everything, so thanks for your sudden vote of confidence when you need one, but perhaps you should tap into someone else to back your insane comments.
Hey, no problem, sweetie..my confidence in you was obviously misplaced.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 02:44 am |
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SR, don't be dragging me in on this deal. I don't agree with you on much of anything. In fact, I pretty much think you are wrong on just about everything, so thanks for your sudden vote of confidence when you need one, but perhaps you should tap into someone else to back your insane comments.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:00 am |
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DesertHawk has swooped down and sunk his claws into some folks and is flying away with his prey.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 10:58 pm |
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DesertHawk wrote: Oww . . .You crazies really know how to use you wit and hurt a guy. Your so tough and brave and smart . . . Betcha' haven't heard that before!
I won't even start on your grammar, but thank you..RAZ and I probably agree on something now.
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| Oww . . .You crazies really know how to use you wit and hurt a guy. Your so tough and brave and smart . . . Betcha' haven't heard that before!
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DesertHawk wrote: Idiots trying to outshout idiots! Conspiracist, right-wing extremists, and left wing socialist with IQ's lower than my shoe size trying to appear as if they are some sort of a intellectual political pundit by berating and beating down others because they hold different opinions
Could it be that the gene pool needs to be completely out, and mankind re-started.
Would you mind beginning in Sun Lakes, where you live?
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 05:48 am |
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And you fit into which of those categories DH?
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Idiots trying to outshout idiots! Conspiracist, right-wing extremists, and left wing socialist with IQ's lower than my shoe size trying to appear as if they are some sort of a intellectual political pundit by berating and beating down others because they hold different opinions
Could it be that the gene pool needs to be completely out, and mankind re-started.
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This is a bad 'b' movie...The bad guy doesn't wear the flag pin (altho if he were as devious as you spin him to be, he'd wear one just to shut you up) and he breathes the same air as Wright and Ayers...so...there is a connection...RAZ, you drive a GM car? So have thousands of criminals///connection? Ever eat at a fast food restaurant? Hmmmm..number of illegal immigrants work in them..another connection! You better not run for office, all this will come out..probably on Fox news.
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