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dwig222 wrote: BB35 wrote: Wait a few months. Most of you will standing in the Walmart employment line begging for a job... Retirement money is going to crash with the banks.
Buckle your seat belts kids,,, the crash is coming soon....
OMG BB. I have dreams about dumpster diving behind Albertsons so I can continue to put King crab legs and rack of lamb on the table. I'm so freaked out about this. When I'm not dreaming, I'm laying awake thinking that we better cancel that two week Mediterranean cruise for December so we can eat. This is not how I expected to live my senior years. It's just not fair.
Come on guys. We were just beginning to be civil to each other. This post was insulting to BB35. Was it your way of trying to brag about what you have to make him feel bad. Bring the civility back to this blog.
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cindisue_g wrote: Not because I feel it is littering our city, but because it keeps their competition out.
They have no competition. Compare the prices.
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That is a ginormous leap comparing a "gay community" and a big box retail enterprise Mrs F. I believe I have exhausted my views on the "sex based" community and why I don't believe it's in anyone's best interest including the gay community so I will spare these poor people from hearing it again. I'm even sick of hearing about it. Apples and oranges.
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How the heck did we go from agreeing or disagreeing with a new Walmart to the proposed gay community.
Walmart is a business and quite a very successful business for many, many reasons, not just for way they pay or do not pay their employees. If someone wants to work there, they go into that employment fully knowing the wage, benefits (or lack of) and what type of work would be asked of them. There are those starting their careers, there are those in the middle of their careers and there are those at the end of their careers working there. If they don't agree with any of the above, then they don't have to go to work for them. I don't understand how an employee of a company can take a job knowing all the details and then come back and say this is not what I want, give me more. They should have negotiated it prior to employment or not taken the job.
I am not a big Walmart shopper and I feel that one Walmart is more than enough for the city of Surprise. Not because I feel it is littering our city, but because it keeps their competition out. And now that it looks like Prasada is pushed back, we need some new stores.
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Do you really believe you have the power to stop Wal Mart so they can't "seek them" out? Wow? 
Look, the bottom line here is there is plenty of opportunity out there for all walks of life and they don't need people like you/RAW to tell them what is best for them. 
Because you asked, I stick up for Wal Mart because I sincerely believe they serve a much needed purpose in any City and I always stand up for free enterprise. None of us have the right to tell them where they can build, it's a free country remember??  Raz, Interesting that you are all okay with WalMart being here, but you were all vocal about protesting the "Gay Community". Clearly, you don't ALWAYS stand up for free enterprise, you choose what works for you. You speak out of both sides of your mouth. If you are going to truly be in favor of free enterprise, you have to consistently support even the ones you are morally opposed to. I don't believe protesting really stops Walmart either, but I at least supported the gay community for the same reasons you support Walmart. As a side note, when people protest Walmart and force it out of their community, they simply build it on the outskirts of town and that town then loses it s sales tax revenue from all of that merchandise, so the city that forced them out usually winds up losing as well. In case you have forgotten, I have put your quote from the gay community discussion below. I think it speaks volumes about your mindset on both issues:
Hang on a minute. What??? I don't think you have to be a "right wing religious fanatic" to draw the line in the sand in not advocating an entire housing development who specifically caters to a sexual orientation. What does sexual orientation have to do with a housing development?? How stupid of them to want that in the first place.
So you are giving a little tour of the City and driving down the road and say "on the left here, this is the development that the gays live in" as in same sex-sex gays. Why would anyone want to hang a sign out announcing to the world what their "sexual" preference is? I don't give a crap what they do in their bedroom, or anybody else for that matter, never have and never will. But I do find it offensive to have their sexual preference delineated in a "special development" just for them. Oh that's right, they wouldn't keep out "other's" (because that would be against the law), but they are catering to gays and lesbians. How many "others" are going to feel welcome in that scenario and what happens if the gays and lesbians do not all want to buy into a "special " development who caters to "them"? What happens to the development then? It is just wrong at many levels and it has absolutely nothing to do with "right wing religious fanatics" that is just a talking point anyway.
We aren't talking about minorities who I might add they constantly try to hang their hat on such as blacks, latinos, or religious groups Jewish, Muslims, etc. this is a SEX Orientation issue. SEX. That is the objection. Why can't they assimilate just like everyone else is expected to, what makes their sexual orientation so special? Would it be okay with you folks to have a development that just caters to "Partner Swap" or "the Whips & Chains" group.... I could go on but you get the picture right? They are SEX oriented groups, where are their rights?
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Wal Mart and similar jobs are meant for entry level skills and education. However, noody should ever be made to feel ashamed of being there, not even you Mama.
They aren't designed for people who make the decision to pro-create and have the responsibility to feed those mouths until they are adults. These jobs are provided for those who need OJT, work experience and/or a way of earning money until something better comes along or until they finish their education.
For anyone to denigrate the folks who are willing to step up and do what they have to do to get along should be ashamed of themselves for looking down their noses at those who are less fortunate.
I think SR has hit the nail on the head about you, Raz, no matter what evidence of any kind is presented you will not be swayed. 'That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!' While an excellent, even noble, approach to marriage it's rather small-minded, even dangerous, when applied to life and most aspects of it. I don't know you so I can't say, but if I were to guess I'd say you're either a very stubborn, strong-willed person with a lot of pride who has to be right, you're brain-washed (ask yourself a question: Do you believe over 50% of what you see on the news or read in the paper? If the answer is yes, then your brain is dry-cleaned) or your a paid propagandist working for Sammy's Soldiers. You made a comment I agree with about those whom are uneducated and thier only shot to learn a trade. O.K., one for you. No, hold on. Make that a half for you 'cause Goodwill has been doing it for decades in fact, since McDonald's started doing it back in the 70's pretty much every big-box corp. has picked up on it for the caring and sensitive PR it produces. If not for that, Wal-mart would have all the handicapped and elderly and uneducated crammed in with the Honduran kids making shirts til thier fingers bled. And there is no shame working for Wal-mart. Or at least there shouldn't be because if this crap dosen't get checked, pretty soon you won't be asking people 'Do you work for Wal-mart?' You'll be asking 'Which Wal-mart do you work for.'
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raz, here you go again. This is the last post I'm making to you concerning your spinning -- your views are same-o, same-o.
First, I was not condescending to anyone.
Second, I was not made to feel ashamed -- the place I was employed just expected slave labor; you know, MORE, MORE, MORE... and this is probably one reason I have a very, very bad taste in my mouth for a place like Walmart. They pay minimum wages and treat employees like slaves and sh$$. Ashamed NO -- Pissed YES.
Third, there was a lady employed at the same place I was who was older and moved much slower and talked way, way too much to the customers, however, this woman had her Masters degree. The supervisors always made fun of this woman, however, I do not know if it was within her ear shot. They made fun of the fact here she was working there and "she had her Masters" -- they couldn't understand why she was there. They felt like big shots because they didn't have the education she did yet they were higher up on the pedestal and were able to order her around and treat her like dirt they did. Their actions were very sad but true.
I saw this lady about a year ago here in Surprise at a grocery store. She had moved from the east part of the valley over here to be with her daughter. You know, she spoke with every bit of venom as I did about our past employer and the horrible treatment from the supervisors. Oh, there were good supervisors, but they never lasted. They also saw the treatment to the "workers" and they didn't like it, but the minute they tried to assist in some way, they were let go or moved out to another store. The only way to get away from a place like that is quit. And for the most part, you'll never get a good reference; not from people like that.
So dear raz, yes, I detest stores that treat people like this. Been there, done that. So, now I'll continue to protest. We don't need another one here.
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Wal Mart and similar jobs are meant for entry level skills and education. However, noody should ever be made to feel ashamed of being there, not even you Mama.
They aren't designed for people who make the decision to pro-create and have the responsibility to feed those mouths until they are adults. These jobs are provided for those who need OJT, work experience and/or a way of earning money until something better comes along or until they finish their education.
For anyone to denigrate the folks who are willing to step up and do what they have to do to get along should be ashamed of themselves for looking down their noses at those who are less fortunate.
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sometimes rational wrote: razenkn wrote:
Mama, no smart-ass response intended, it was an honest reaction. I found your statement to be very condescending and demeaning to those hundreds of employees working at Wal Mart at this very moment. Do you have that same attitude towards the Taco Bell, the Quik Mart, Best Buy, Ross, McDonald's?? Just curious.
mama--the RAZ is tooo much..you rightfully and acurately point out she baits, distorts and pounces...then she does the damn thing in her response..it's sorta funny..sorta....it must have killed her when the minimum wage went up..absolutely killed her. Yeah, and the wheel just keeps on spinning and spinning.
I'm sure the minimum wage increase did tweak raz to no end as it did most far right conservatives. Hell, you still can't survive on that pay by a long, long shot. And the unfortunate part is some of those on the receiving end of minimum wage pay are killing themselves at menial jobs. I did one of those in the 90's trying to get back into the work force and they still expected MORE! It never seems to end .
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razenkn wrote:
Mama, no smart-ass response intended, it was an honest reaction. I found your statement to be very condescending and demeaning to those hundreds of employees working at Wal Mart at this very moment. Do you have that same attitude towards the Taco Bell, the Quik Mart, Best Buy, Ross, McDonald's?? Just curious.
mama--the RAZ is tooo much..you rightfully and acurately point out she baits, distorts and pounces...then she does the damn thing in her response..it's sorta funny..sorta....it must have killed her when the minimum wage went up..absolutely killed her.
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Mama, no smart-ass response intended, it was an honest reaction. I found your statement to be very condescending and demeaning to those hundreds of employees working at Wal Mart at this very moment. Do you have that same attitude towards the Taco Bell, the Quik Mart, Best Buy, Ross, McDonald's?? Just curious.
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BB35 wrote: Wait a few months. Most of you will standing in the Walmart employment line begging for a job... Retirement money is going to crash with the banks.
Buckle your seat belts kids,,, the crash is coming soon....
OMG BB. I have dreams about dumpster diving behind Albertsons so I can continue to put King crab legs and rack of lamb on the table. I'm so freaked out about this. When I'm not dreaming, I'm laying awake thinking that we better cancel that two week Mediterranean cruise for December so we can eat. This is not how I expected to live my senior years. It's just not fair.
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Wait a few months. Most of you will standing in the Walmart employment line begging for a job... Retirement money is going to crash with the banks.
Buckle your seat belts kids,,, the crash is coming soon....
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razenkn wrote:
Mama wrote...
So, the questions include, do we build another Walmart for the down and out or do we protest them so people can't seek them out? Will not having Walmarts prompt people to do better or will the working experience at Walmart prompt them to do better?
Are you suggesting in that comment that the people who work there are too stupid or lazy to want to do better so they need your help? Fairly insulting wouldn't you say? Do you really believe you have the power to stop Wal Mart so they can't "seek them" out? Wow?
blah, blah, blah.....
See, I threw out questions and thoughts. I received responses, all very civil and informative and people's own views whether or not they agree with mine. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you everyone for your input. Except you RAZ. With your smart-ass response in part, this is why I love to discount you. You don't answer questions -- just read your post. Rather you throw back questions that are meant to incite. You try to bait then pounce and you always spin someone's words so you can feel superior. Perhaps this is why people don't take you seriously.
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Mamazoyd wrote: sometimes rational wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: razenkn wrote:
All of the Wal Mart employees that live in America have a choice whether to work at Wal Mart or not. At one time Wal Mart in Surprise employed around 6-700 people, they all had to apply and interview for the position. Nobody went out into the community and dragged them in to work there. Are you saying they are all so stupid they don't know what a "terrible" place Wal Mart is to work because I guarantee you there are many who are very pleased to have the job and the income it generates for their families. Do you really think everyone that works for them hates them and feel they are being used and abused? Sorry I'm not getting that.
Obviously there's a lot you're not getting. Just as they have a choice of working there or not, we also have a choice of protesting the building of another. Got that?
Mama--in the world of RAZ, and CS, protests are inappropriate if they are against anything RAZ and CS believe in--doesn't matter if it's the war, Arpaio or Bush...
in fact, RAZ thinks ppl living under bridges do so of their own choice, slaves choose to be slaves, and Walmart employees forgo thousands of other job opportunites for the honor of wearing the red vest that says, 'may I help you' on the back.
You make a good point SR and I see it as a point that can be taken a couple different ways. Sometimes people don't have other choices due to current life circumstances and they do what they have to do to survive at that time. Sometimes that involves working at Walmart, etc. and they could be stuck there. Sometimes people don't prepare properly in the beginning when they perhaps do have a choice so they end up in places like Walmart so this can signify the possibility they are unmotivated to do better. Or, sometimes people really don't have a choice from the beginning so they end up at Walmart.
So, the questions include, do we build another Walmart for the down and out or do we protest them so people can't seek them out? Will not having Walmarts prompt people to do better or will the working experience at Walmart prompt them to do better? Will protesting them help bring about change in their employee treatment? This really can get confusing. On the one hand Walmart supplies employment but on the other, it treats them far too shabbily to be considered gainful employment. Also, in the beginning, didn't they boast about "made in the USA"? Certainly they can't do that anymore, if that was them. I, along with the RAW group, don't want another one of these type stores littering the grounds of Surprise. We have enough. Protesting prevails!
Mamazoyd, Walmart was a totally different company when Sam Walton ran the organization. I am sure he is rolling over in his grave about how the company has involved. Sam believed in "made in the USA" and took pride that the stores only sold merchandise made here. After Sam's death, it seems as though the company grew into a pac manesque type company; their business practices where to gobble up the competition. I believe the bad press Walmart got a little while back helped some what in their employee benefits, but certainly not enough to call them a good employer by any means. I do not feel that protesting will really accomplish much, this has been tried in many, many other towns to no avail. But do I want to see another Walmart in Surprise, certainly not.
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Mamazoyd wrote: So, the questions include, do we build another Walmart for the down and out or do we protest them so people can't seek them out? Will not having Walmarts prompt people to do better or will the working experience at Walmart prompt them to do better? Will protesting them help bring about change in their employee treatment? This really can get confusing. On the one hand Walmart supplies employment but on the other, it treats them far too shabbily to be considered gainful employment. Also, in the beginning, didn't they boast about "made in the USA"? Certainly they can't do that anymore, if that was them. I, along with the RAW group, don't want another one of these type stores littering the grounds of Surprise. We have enough. Protesting prevails!
I think you are fooling yourself Mama if you think this way. First of all, Surprise is not the upscale area that you think it is. So to use the word "littering" is a huge exaggeration. This is not the east valley where they have successfully prevented a Walmart. Second, I know a lot of retirees who love to work at Walmart. They, like myself, just enjoy getting out of the house and interacting with people, not to mention a few extra bucks in their pocket. This is a dense community of retired people who are on medicare and people who don't really need the money. They don't care about money or benefits. I have a friend who is a greeter at Walmart and he just loves the job so much he would work for free. Third, this is a dense community of lower middle class people. With the economy the way it is and the food prices the way they are, there is not one store where groceries are even close to be as inexpensive as Walmart. If they build at the 303, I think it will be packed day and night. And last, I'm sure a lot of former stay at home moms who have never worked are now being forced to go out and make a few extra bucks. Women who don't really have any experience or high education. Walmart is a godsend for them.
If you lived in the east valley, you might be successful. If I lived in an upscale community in the east valley I would join you in your protest. But in Surprise? You will be spinning your wheels and wasting your time fighting it. Just my opinion
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Mama wrote...
So, the questions include, do we build another Walmart for the down and out or do we protest them so people can't seek them out? Will not having Walmarts prompt people to do better or will the working experience at Walmart prompt them to do better?
Are you suggesting in that comment that the people who work there are too stupid or lazy to want to do better so they need your help? Fairly insulting wouldn't you say? Do you really believe you have the power to stop Wal Mart so they can't "seek them" out? Wow?
If that is your view, then you better put on some comfortable protest shoes and start making signs because I named many other companies just like them and then we could start naming businesses in the food industry that you will need to try to ban.
Look, the bottom line here is there is plenty of opportunity out there for all walks of life and they don't need people like you/RAW to tell them what is best for them.
Because you asked, I stick up for Wal Mart because I sincerely believe they serve a much needed purpose in any City and I always stand up for free enterprise. None of us have the right to tell them where they can build, it's a free country remember??
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Has anyone seen Holloween 3? If I'm not mistaken those masks that were destroying the kids had smiley faces on them, also. If you're really interested with finding out about this company -behind the smiley face - here's a few sites to check out -
http://www.walmartmovie.com, www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html, http://www.walmartwatch.com [url=http://www.walmartblows.com, http://www.1worldcommunication.org/Walmart.htm]http://www.walmartblows.com, http://www.1worldcommunication.org/Walmart.htm[/url] http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/walmart/ http://www.escapistmagazine.com/prin http://www.walmartworkersrights.orgt/40/11 http://www.walmartsucksorg
There's thousands more and they'll give you an idea as to exactly why so many people are up in arms about the companies practices and growth. Personally, I feel we ALL should be.
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Mamazoid said:
So, the questions include, do we build another Walmart for the down and out or do we protest them so people can't seek them out? Will not having Walmarts prompt people to do better or will the working experience at Walmart prompt them to do better? Will protesting them help bring about change in their employee treatment? This really can get confusing. On the one hand Walmart supplies employment but on the other, it treats them far too shabbily to be considered gainful employment. Also, in the beginning, didn't they boast about "made in the USA"? Certainly they can't do that anymore, if that was them. I, along with the RAW group, don't want another one of these type stores littering the grounds of Surprise. We have enough. Protesting prevails!
SR says: I guess the coincidental benefit Walmart might offer an individual is the opportunity to get a decent work record in terms of attendance and so forth so they might be able to move ahead...I don't give credit to Walmart for that outcome but possibly, to be fair I maybe should...I used to hire a lot of ppl out of rehab, vets with psych issues, new immigrants fr. Catholic Char Refug. Resettlement and I know I was the employer of last resort in a lot of these cases...but the difference is that we paid them well, we provided decent benefits and we provided dignity, and not a demeaning red vest.
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razenkn wrote:
Well Mama, are they feeling used and abused? Because I'm not hearing anything from the employees, it's all the outside entities such as the dinosaur Union promoters that want to get involved who think they should be able to tell Wal Mart how to do business. If these people don't like it, they won't work there.
Just curious, why do you just go after Wal Mart? I'm just curious, why do you defend them like you have an investment with Walmart? Have you ever checked out the other discount stores such as Target, Ross, Marhsall's, Beall's Outlet, K-Mart's to see how they compare to the big evil Wal Mart who is fighting against the dinosaur Union promoters that would love nothing more than to take over one of the largest if not the largest retail business in the world? Cha ching!
I have no problem with protesting if it's for an honest reason, Do you feel the 100 or so protesting all have personal agendas, and what would that or those be, raz? but when people attempt to malign a successful business because of their own personal agendas, then yes I do object to that. I've not seen anything yet that would be a good enough reason to boycott them because I don't think they are any different than any other entry level job provider.
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sometimes rational wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: razenkn wrote:
All of the Wal Mart employees that live in America have a choice whether to work at Wal Mart or not. At one time Wal Mart in Surprise employed around 6-700 people, they all had to apply and interview for the position. Nobody went out into the community and dragged them in to work there. Are you saying they are all so stupid they don't know what a "terrible" place Wal Mart is to work because I guarantee you there are many who are very pleased to have the job and the income it generates for their families. Do you really think everyone that works for them hates them and feel they are being used and abused? Sorry I'm not getting that.
Obviously there's a lot you're not getting. Just as they have a choice of working there or not, we also have a choice of protesting the building of another. Got that?
Mama--in the world of RAZ, and CS, protests are inappropriate if they are against anything RAZ and CS believe in--doesn't matter if it's the war, Arpaio or Bush...
in fact, RAZ thinks ppl living under bridges do so of their own choice, slaves choose to be slaves, and Walmart employees forgo thousands of other job opportunites for the honor of wearing the red vest that says, 'may I help you' on the back.
You make a good point SR and I see it as a point that can be taken a couple different ways. Sometimes people don't have other choices due to current life circumstances and they do what they have to do to survive at that time. Sometimes that involves working at Walmart, etc. and they could be stuck there. Sometimes people don't prepare properly in the beginning when they perhaps do have a choice so they end up in places like Walmart so this can signify the possibility they are unmotivated to do better. Or, sometimes people really don't have a choice from the beginning so they end up at Walmart.
So, the questions include, do we build another Walmart for the down and out or do we protest them so people can't seek them out? Will not having Walmarts prompt people to do better or will the working experience at Walmart prompt them to do better? Will protesting them help bring about change in their employee treatment? This really can get confusing. On the one hand Walmart supplies employment but on the other, it treats them far too shabbily to be considered gainful employment. Also, in the beginning, didn't they boast about "made in the USA"? Certainly they can't do that anymore, if that was them. I, along with the RAW group, don't want another one of these type stores littering the grounds of Surprise. We have enough. Protesting prevails!
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Well Mama, are they feeling used and abused? Because I'm not hearing anything from the employees, it's all the outside entities such as the dinosaur Union promoters that want to get involved who think they should be able to tell Wal Mart how to do business. If these people don't like it, they won't work there.
Just curious, why do you just go after Wal Mart? Have you ever checked out the other discount stores such as Target, Ross, Marhsall's, Beall's Outlet, K-Mart's to see how they compare to the big evil Wal Mart who is fighting against the dinosaur Union promoters that would love nothing more than to take over one of the largest if not the largest retail business in the world? Cha ching!
I have no problem with protesting if it's for an honest reason, but when people attempt to malign a successful business because of their own personal agendas, then yes I do object to that. I've not seen anything yet that would be a good enough reason to boycott them because I don't think they are any different than any other entry level job provider.
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Mamazoyd wrote: razenkn wrote:
All of the Wal Mart employees that live in America have a choice whether to work at Wal Mart or not. At one time Wal Mart in Surprise employed around 6-700 people, they all had to apply and interview for the position. Nobody went out into the community and dragged them in to work there. Are you saying they are all so stupid they don't know what a "terrible" place Wal Mart is to work because I guarantee you there are many who are very pleased to have the job and the income it generates for their families. Do you really think everyone that works for them hates them and feel they are being used and abused? Sorry I'm not getting that.
Obviously there's a lot you're not getting. Just as they have a choice of working there or not, we also have a choice of protesting the building of another. Got that?
Mama--in the world of RAZ, and CS, protests are inappropriate if they are against anything RAZ and CS believe in--doesn't matter if it's the war, Arpaio or Bush...
in fact, RAZ thinks ppl living under bridges do so of their own choice, slaves choose to be slaves, and Walmart employees forgo thousands of other job opportunites for the honor of wearing the red vest that says, 'may I help you' on the back.
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razenkn wrote:
All of the Wal Mart employees that live in America have a choice whether to work at Wal Mart or not. At one time Wal Mart in Surprise employed around 6-700 people, they all had to apply and interview for the position. Nobody went out into the community and dragged them in to work there. Are you saying they are all so stupid they don't know what a "terrible" place Wal Mart is to work because I guarantee you there are many who are very pleased to have the job and the income it generates for their families. Do you really think everyone that works for them hates them and feel they are being used and abused? Sorry I'm not getting that.
Obviously there's a lot you're not getting. Just as they have a choice of working there or not, we also have a choice of protesting the building of another. Got that?
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All of the Wal Mart employees that live in America have a choice whether to work at Wal Mart or not. At one time Wal Mart in Surprise employed around 6-700 people, they all had to apply and interview for the position. Nobody went out into the community and dragged them in to work there. Are you saying they are all so stupid they don't know what a "terrible" place Wal Mart is to work because I guarantee you there are many who are very pleased to have the job and the income it generates for their families. Do you really think everyone that works for them hates them and feel they are being used and abused? Sorry I'm not getting that.
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Wal-Mart Moves in
Home > Corporate Watch > Paying the Price at Wal-Mart
With annual sales of more than $288 billion, Wal-Mart netted $10.3 billion in 2004 profits, more than twice the profits of its leading retail competitors combined, according to the company's most recent annual reports. Wal-Mart CEO H. Lee Scott's salary and stock soared to $23 million in 2004. But many of his 1.3 million Wal-Mart employees are paid so poorly they can't even afford health insurance.
 Wal-Mart’s employees— than 70 percent of them women—are paid an average $9.64 an hour if they are full-time employees, according to Business Week. Yet full-time workers, who comprise only about two-thirds of Wal-Mart's workforce, may be scheduled for as few as 34 hours weekly. Even at $9.64 hourly, working 34 hours a week, a Wal-Mart employee earns only $17,043 annually, well under the $18,850 federal poverty guideline for a family of four in 2004.
While 66 percent of workers at large U.S. firms get health coverage on the job, fewer than half of Wal-Mart workers do, an October 2003 AFL-CIO report finds.
Wal-Mart's virulent anti-union policies prevent workers from winning family-supportive wages and benefits. Unionized workers in the retail food industry make more than 30 percent more in hourly wages than their nonunion counterparts, according to a 2002 report by the Institute for Women's Policy Research. Yet when new employees start at Wal-Mart, they must first watch a video warning them against joining a union, according to author Barbara Ehrenreich, who chronicled her experience working at Wal-Mart in Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting by in America.
By keeping its workers in poverty, Wal-Mart also impoverishes entire communities: When many residents have less to spend on goods and services, they can't support community merchants—and everyone's income and spending eventually drops.
Big-box retailers and supercenters such as Wal-Mart transform family-supporting, middle-class retail jobs into lower-paying jobs that often leave workers unable to pay bills.
With big-box retailers and supercenters tending to convert communities' union-scale retail jobs to fewer, lower-paying retail jobs, the difference in overall compensation, including wages and benefits, is "as much as $8 an hour," according to an October 2003 report prepared for the city of Los Angeles.
For every $1 wage cut, the local economy loses a total $2.08 as less money circulates through the local economy.
If union grocery workers' wages were slashed to match the wages of Wal-Mart workers, their communities would lose between $1.6 billion and $3 billion annually.
If Wal-Mart paid each employee $1 an hour more, it could maintain its profitability level by increasing prices a mere half penny per dollar.
Get the Facts Read the Institute for America's Future Download and distribute a flier (PDF).
The Impact of Big Box Grocers on Southern California, a 1999 report prepared by the Orange County (Calif.) Business Council.
October 2003 report on big-box superstores prepared for the city of Los Angeles.
The Estimated Economic Impact of a Chicago Big Box Living Wage Ordinance, a 2004 report prepared by the Center for Urban Economic Development at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Everyday Low Wages: The Hidden Price We All Pay for Wal-Mart by the staff of Rep. George Miller (Calif.), House Education and Workforce Committee senior Democrat.
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Here's their announcement. Fry's is doing the $4.00 prescriptions also.
Walmart's New Low Cost Drug Pricing
Walmart expanded its low-priced drug program; starting Monday the world's largest retailer's pharmacies at its discount stores, its Neighborhood Markets and its Sam's Club warehouse locations will fill prescriptions for up to 350 generic medications for $10 for a 90-day supply.
The company has also begun selling more than a thousand over-the-counter drugs for $4 or less.
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    "We are not green."
--Wal-Mart CEO Lee Scott Dear Gerald, Today is Earth Day. As you know, on April 22nd we typically focus on environmental stewardship, reducing our ecological impact, and preserving our planet for future generations.
Then again, if you happen to be Wal-Mart, you might just use Earth Day as a pretext for a national "merchandising and marketing campaign."
It's true--three weeks ago, Wal-Mart gleefully reported its intention to print nearly one third of a billion pages of "green" advertising this month, all inviting shoppers to splurge during it's "Earth Month" marketing blitz. Wasting a mountain of wood pulp in the name of sustainability is a surprisingly cynical move, even for Wal-Mart, but it is just a symptom of a broader problem--Wal-Mart is greenwashing, and it's getting away with it.
In spite of all the "green" hype, Wal-Mart's business model is linked to serious environmental problems. The long-anticipated Wal-Mart sustainability report cited a significant global increase in CO2 emissions in 2006, after the company's green campaign began. Worse still, at a recent conference, Wal-Mart's CEO Lee Scott flatly declared "we are not green," taking his audience aback. Still, despite the facts, some national and local news outlets continue to buy Wal-Mart's sustainability spin.
Let's set the record straight. Today, on Earth Day, let's ensure that America understands the truth about Wal-Mart's "green" hype.
Write your local newspaper about Wal-Mart's sustainability swindle
Frankly, we would rather have Wal-Mart hyping environmental sustainability than fighting food safety regulations or port security measures. At the same time, we can not sit idly while Wal-Mart uses slick, multi-million dollar marketing campaigns to mislead the American people.
Lee Scott agrees: Wal-Mart is not the "green" corporation depicted in Wal-Mart's advertising. This time, let's give Lee a hand. Help us debunk the myth of Wal-Mart's sustainability.
Set the record straight on Wal-Mart and the environment
Do it for the Earth!
Thanks for taking action,
The Team,
WakeUpWalMart.com
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I hear Walmart is going to make a HUGE announcement today about ??Heathcare??.
Some time ago I heard they might have little mini emergency rooms in their stores. I wonder if that's what they are doing.
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sometimes rational wrote: JW..these 'ppl' were brought up to think that what's good for Walmart is good for America...maybe they haven't lived in communites where the mom and pop's were closed up within a few years of the big boxes coming in...the strategy of one large chain was to come into town and keep their prices artifically low..even if it meant taking a loss A few Christmas's ago, at the same time Wally's was vying for a second location in Surprise, I noticed something. I went shopping at Target where there were 14 registers and 13 were open. Across the way, where there are approximately 654,884,511 registers (I have to approximate because nobody's actually had the time to count them all) 12 were open and there were lines back to electronics. People who had walked in a teenager were stopping at Customer Service on the way out to cash their social security checks, buy some shares on NASDAQ and make an appointment to see an attorney for a divorce. Wal-mart's major argument was there wasn't enough room for parking at the site to handle the traffic. If they had manned the registers and gotten those people out of line there would have been plenty of room for parking. And that is how it remained until they got the new store. And considering the town had become used to the circumstance, it remains that way. Just saving a couple pennies to help lower those prices. Wait a sec. They're opening another store? That explains it! It may seem petty but I can give you literally hundreds, if not thousands, of other examples of Wal-mart's dis-ingenuousness and how they've manipulated EVERYBODY to get where they're at and, pretty soon, even God won't be able to help the fool that tries to intervene.
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jwillas wrote: No, I'm not saying we should forego advancement. I appreciate the wheel as much as the next guy. But Wal-mart will not be content until it appears on every corner and has it's fingers in every aspect of your consumer affairs from groceries to opthamalogy to banking etc. and has the power to do just that by means of foreign outsourcing, child labor and bullying manufacturers and distributors alike. The tag says "Made in America" and it was but the SHIRT was made in China by a 9-year-old kid working 14 hours a day, 7 days a week just for the joy of not being beaten. The company stresses how much it cares for you and your community while selling items such as firearms, tobacco and liquor. I'm not condemning those items but should they be on the shelf next to the G.I. Joe Billy wants for Christmas? What's more, it used to be an option whether to support such a company but Wal-mart is so prominent and such a fiduitiary powerhouse that many people cannot afford to shop anywhere else. As for Ma Bell, Ma Bell was successfully sued back in the late eighties for monopolizing the telephone industry and forced to sell off a rather large percentage of it's holdings which is why you can now choose from Verizon or Sprint or AT&T or Qwest etc. etc. et.al.You are correct. This is no longer the fifties but to continue to support this companies growth is "complete insanity". Think about it, 20 years ago noone had even heard of Wal-mart. Now look at the clout the company has which is wielded by some not to friendly people. Unchecked, what do you think this company will be capable of in another 20 years? I don't even want to think about it.
JW..these 'ppl' were brought up to think that what's good for Walmart is good for America...maybe they haven't lived in communites where the mom and pop's were closed up within a few years of the big boxes coming in...the strategy of one large chain was to come into town and keep their prices artifically low..even if it meant taking a loss, knowing the mom and pops couldn't compete over a prolonged period...once they went out of business, the chain would raise their price to whatever they wanted since the competition was gone.....we need gov't to police these thieves...we need law makers who are willing to draft laws to regulate business, and we need gov't to enforce those laws....and, sorry, we need taxes to to pay for gov't to enforce those laws.
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| No, I'm not saying we should forego advancement. I appreciate the wheel as much as the next guy. But Wal-mart will not be content until it appears on every corner and has it's fingers in every aspect of your consumer affairs from groceries to opthamalogy to banking etc. and has the power to do just that by means of foreign outsourcing, child labor and bullying manufacturers and distributors alike. The tag says "Made in America" and it was but the SHIRT was made in China by a 9-year-old kid working 14 hours a day, 7 days a week just for the joy of not being beaten. The company stresses how much it cares for you and your community while selling items such as firearms, tobacco and liquor. I'm not condemning those items but should they be on the shelf next to the G.I. Joe Billy wants for Christmas? What's more, it used to be an option whether to support such a company but Wal-mart is so prominent and such a fiduitiary powerhouse that many people cannot afford to shop anywhere else. As for Ma Bell, Ma Bell was successfully sued back in the late eighties for monopolizing the telephone industry and forced to sell off a rather large percentage of it's holdings which is why you can now choose from Verizon or Sprint or AT&T or Qwest etc. etc. et.al.You are correct. This is no longer the fifties but to continue to support this companies growth is "complete insanity". Think about it, 20 years ago noone had even heard of Wal-mart. Now look at the clout the company has which is wielded by some not to friendly people. Unchecked, what do you think this company will be capable of in another 20 years? I don't even want to think about it.
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So are you saying that nobody has the right to move past the Mom and Pops and find an avenue that works for the poor and working class? We should all stand up against progress and say we want to pay higher prices to honor those who have to charge higher prices? That is complete insanity. Not in this day in age. Find a different business to open, this isn't the fifties anymore. Is that a bad thing...No, it's not. We are in an age where we can get information in a few seconds, where we can pick up the phone while driving down the road and order a pizza, and you are worried about the old Mom and Pops grocery that can't compete with the big bad Wal Mart? Why aren't you worried about Ma Bell then?
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| By all accounts, at least ones which I'm aware, Sam Walton was a good man with a dream. Unfortunately, his dream has become a nightmare. Wal-mart has decimated capitalism and free enterprise as we knew it. Wal-mart has made it impossible for the average citizen to experience and enjoy the American dream. The few Mom and Pop businesses, which used to be in abundance, will soon go the way of the 8-track due to their inability to compete with Wal-mart's prices due to Wal-mart's use of, many times, less than honorable means while making it almost mandatory for the average Joe to shop there in order to make ends meet. Before long it will be a Wal-mart, a McDonald's, a gas station and a bank on Every Street Corner, USA. But, hey, look at all the quality employment the company has provided!
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razenkn wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Does it matter as I have to imagine the Ad Asst is referring to calls on this number and this was the point of the post?
However, the administrative assistant that answered the phone
had no
idea how I got the number and said I was the first call. She told me
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would start a 'phone log' of all the future calls that would come in
opposing
this issue so, we need to get the word and number out to the public.
The number
I dialed is: 623-222-1300
Don't mean to beat this to death, but because you are avoiding the real question, I have to ask it again. What did the Admin Asst mean that "she had NO IDEA how this person got that phone number 222-1300 when it is a published number on the website for the City Council?
Why did the letter writer deem that statement to be so important as to include it in the letter that you posted as though they had uncovered something sinister? Obviously one or the other were lying. But why? For drama? Now do you see the oddity here?
If that was the first call they got, then apparently it's not as hot of an item as you and RAW claim it to be.
Actually I see it as a comment from the admin asst that "how did you get this number " to complain or comment about Walmart. The fact that she said she was going to keep a log on calls for this subject and saying "your my first call" would make sense it would be the number to give out. Way to go Mama thanks for taking up a cause. I seem to remember the very person grilling you is the one who has told us on numerous occasions to call the city for answers and you did and got one. Way to go.
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