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Health insurance and other benefits were all to common years ago. When you got out of high school you went to work at the plant that your Dad and maybe some uncles and a few cousins worked at.
You made a good living, bought a house, raised a family, went to the shore for your 2 weeks a year paid vacation, maybe bought a new car every 3 or 4 years, had paid good health insurance and a decent pension for you and your spouses " Golden Years ".
Now you have to work 2 full time jobs, pay at least 1/2, if not all of the so called health benefits premiums, you get one week off without pay and that is when the company has a slow period which changes every year. Pray for a pretty good income tax return to pay down some of the Christmas bills which you still owe. Your house will be paid off when you die and your children will still be living there with you at that time when you do die. You have to work till you are 90 years old because all those years you worked for a company they never contributed to your pension plan.
So lets see, does anyone see a pattern happening here.
Maybe I was raised to believe that life gets easier the longer you live. But I think that all the politicians and people of power are really trying to make the 2 classes of people.
And they are the "Haves" and the "Have Not's".
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How did health insurance become the responsibility of businesses? That is an individual responsibility, should have nothing to do with your job. As long as it is tied to your employment, it then becomes a chain around your neck. Suddenly you cannot change professions or employment because you must stay with your health insurance.
It is our own lazy fault that we have allowed the insurance companies to dictate to us how we are covered. The employers are just that, they have businesses to run, and are not in the health coverage business. We need to take it out of their hands and put it back into individual responsibility. Things would change dramatically if we did that at all levels.
Historical perspective: employers started providing health insurance during the 1940's when the Government instituted wage and price controls after the WW II. To get around the wage freeze, employers saw offering health insurance as a way to compensate employees. The insurance companies designed plans acceptable to employers and, thus, fulfilled a marketplace need. Prior to that, health insurance as we know it today was pretty limited if available at all. So, paying for the cost of health care was an individual responsibility.
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razenkn wrote:
How did health insurance become the responsibility of businesses? That is an individual responsibility, should have nothing to do with your job. As long as it is tied to your employment, it then becomes a chain around your neck. Suddenly you cannot change professions or employment because you must stay with your health insurance.
It is our own lazy fault that we have allowed the insurance companies to dictate to us how we are covered. The employers are just that, they have businesses to run, and are not in the health coverage business. We need to take it out of their hands and put it back into individual responsibility. Things would change dramatically if we did that at all levels.
So, how do you put the responsibility back on the "individual". Please, please, please tell us Great Cane Raiser..
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razenkn wrote:
How did health insurance become the responsibility of businesses? That is an individual responsibility, should have nothing to do with your job. As long as it is tied to your employment, it then becomes a chain around your neck. Suddenly you cannot change professions or employment because you must stay with your health insurance.
It is our own lazy fault that we have allowed the insurance companies to dictate to us how we are covered. The employers are just that, they have businesses to run, and are not in the health coverage business. We need to take it out of their hands and put it back into individual responsibility. Things would change dramatically if we did that at all levels.
How do you put it back into the hands of the "individual"???? Please, please, please tell us Great Cane Raiser...
Sounds like somebody's employer doesn't offer any health coverage..??..
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One of my nephews got a job at walmart a couple of years ago and seems to enjoy the work he does. He's not making a lot of money but he attends college part time and he is making enough to get by and pay his bills. At 20 years old he's a deli manager and seems to enjoy his work. I think places like walmart serve a real purpose not only to the people they employ but also to the community. In the case of my nephew, I think he's paid a fair wage considering his experience and what he has to offer his employer.
To put it another way, with regard to the people employed at walmart, for many it's a starting point for a better job down the road. For others, it may be the best job they will ever have but you have to keep in mind that a person is paid based on what they have to contribute to their employer's business and the demand of the marketplace for their services.
With regard to the health insurance issue and other benefits, I agree that it's great if an employer offers these incentives but it's strictly up to the employer. Again, it's a matter of supply and demand and if an employer feels that it's necessary to offer benefits to attract the talent necessary to be successful then that's a business decision which should be left up to the employer to make after weighing the pro's and con's of such a decision.
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Pretty funny RAZ. You say when does business have the obligation to provide benefits to employees. But I said that the government is the second largest employer in the USA. And you don't have anything to say. Could that mean you are employed by some type of government. And with your train of thought you to would lost your benefits and you don't like that idea. Maybe your idea is a double edged sword.
I would like to know who here thinks an average pay scale of $10.00 an hour is good pay? I personally think that in this year and time, it is a good starting salary but for someone with a family and all the other bills that go with it. It is a joke. Parents complain that their kids can't afford to leave home, with that type of thinking I see why they can't leave. It's just another way for big business to keep you under their thumb.
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Surprise_teacher wrote: Hey SR: Sherriff Joe will only agree to your plan if he can be on TV at least 45 minutes of every hour. 
Who are we more sick of seeing on the tube...Arpaio or Paris Hilton? At least Paris isn't frothing at the mouth.
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Hey SR: Sherriff Joe will only agree to your plan if he can be on TV at least 45 minutes of every hour.
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razenkn wrote:
How did health insurance become the responsibility of businesses? That is an individual responsibility, should have nothing to do with your job. As long as it is tied to your employment, it then becomes a chain around your neck. Suddenly you cannot change professions or employment because you must stay with your health insurance.
It is our own lazy fault that we have allowed the insurance companies to dictate to us how we are covered. The employers are just that, they have businesses to run, and are not in the health coverage business. We need to take it out of their hands and put it back into individual responsibility. Things would change dramatically if we did that at all levels.
SR says: why stop there RAZ, why not remove all the benefits out there..then we can can gradually reduce their pay...next we;ll send the police to their homes to arrest them if they refuse to come to work (Sheriff Joe would be into that) and then we can send their kids to re=education camps...RAZ..you know what fasism is?
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Sorry to say but "WHAT?"
Do you really believe companies should not offer some insurance for their employees?
Just remember that all government personal are employees also. So that would cut taxes for millions of people. Because the government is the second largest employer in the USA. Lets see where government employees pay scale will be increased to, due to the fact they are not going to be getting health insurance.
I'm all for that. Lets make everyone buy their own insurance. And if you can't afford it Oh Well, too bad. Not our problem and don't ask for help.
Just go die in the desert some place.
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How did health insurance become the responsibility of businesses? That is an individual responsibility, should have nothing to do with your job. As long as it is tied to your employment, it then becomes a chain around your neck. Suddenly you cannot change professions or employment because you must stay with your health insurance.
It is our own lazy fault that we have allowed the insurance companies to dictate to us how we are covered. The employers are just that, they have businesses to run, and are not in the health coverage business. We need to take it out of their hands and put it back into individual responsibility. Things would change dramatically if we did that at all levels.
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Walmart average hourly rates range from $9.98 to $11.20 per hour depending on location.
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Surprise_teacher wrote: Mamazoyd, I'd certainly agree that the constant building of new Wal-Mart stores does create new jobs. However, the statement says nothing about jobs with health insurance that pay anything higher than poverty-level wages. Guess they left that detail out! 
And therein lies the problem S_t! 'cause to my understanding anything better doesn't exist for most employees!
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Mamazoyd, I'd certainly agree that the constant building of new Wal-Mart stores does create new jobs. However, the statement says nothing about jobs with health insurance that pay anything higher than poverty-level wages. Guess they left that detail out!
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1.2 million: The number of Wal-Mart associates in the U.S. Any full- or part-time Wal-Mart employee, up to and including the CEO, is considered an "associate," in Wal-Mart parlance.
600,000: The number of new employees Wal-Mart hires each year. The company's turnover rate is 44 percent -- close to the retail industry average.
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"Wal-Mart's phenomenal growth has been an engine for making jobs."
Just shakin' my head and crossing my eyes at this one.
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Corporate Profile
 The company Sam built has become the world's number one retailer. Diversification into grocery (Wal-Mart Supercenters and Neighborhood Markets), international operations and membership warehouse clubs (SAM'S CLUBS), has created greater opportunities for growth. But unlike some corporations whose financial growth does not translate into more jobs, Wal-Mart's phenomenal growth has been an engine for making jobs.
As of February 29, 2008, the Company had 971 Wal-Mart discount stores, 2,447 Supercenters, 591 Sam’s Clubs and 132 Neighborhood Markets in the United States, for a total of 4,141 units. Internationally, the Company operated units in Argentina (22), Brazil (314), Canada (305), China (Wal- Mart 102; Trust-Mart 101), Costa Rica (149), Guatemala (145), Honduras (47), Japan (394), Mexico (1025), Nicaragua (46), Puerto Rico (54), El Salvador (70) and the United Kingdom (351).
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Pardon me, but isn't "Surprise" and "upscale" an oxy-moron? To me, if someone moved here from New River, THEN we would be "upscale". As a result, then we would have crackheads.Last edited on Tue Mar 18th, 2008 02:26 pm by ragman07
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Momof4Kiddos wrote: I am a surrounding community member and I do not like the fact that another crackhead employee store will be in walking distance with my children in the neighborhood. First of all, if I were a Walmart employee who was just trying to make ends meet, I would be so offended by this statement. Who are you to call them "crackheads". What a completely ignorant statement! Most walmarts are not placed in the middle of upscale neighborhoods, so this upsets me greatly. First of all, Surprise is an entire city built on affordable housing and master planned communities. There really isn't "upscale neighborhoods" anywhere, so you are being a snob in the wrong place. Since Since there are no real upscale communities in the area, what are you so upset about? People with families shop at Walmart. This is an entire bedroom community of people who want affordable houses and affordable living. Even our nearest mall doesn't carry much in the way of upscale. Peoria, Glendale and Surprise are not built on people with expensive taste, so get over yourself! And guess what, I had no idea until she posted that. So if you live no where near that area, why are you jumping down her throat?
I have written to the mayor and others. Walmart employees are not whats needed in our little suburb. You guys think Walmart is cheap? It just appears that way. All of our tax dollars are going to support their welfare employees because Walmart makes it impossible to get on their insurance and pays them low wages so they jump on the states....
I HATE WALMART. Personally, I don't care for Walmart either and I almost never go in there, and I don't think our town needs 3 (I don't think we need another Kohl's either, but that's just me), but I would never sink so low as to insult their employees. Insult their employer for not providing benefits, insult the company for exploiting workers and manufacturers, but don't step on the people who are doing what they can the best they can. Walmart is a huge employer of unskilled labor and I would never insult the people that really make the store run. You need to get past your snobby stereotypes. You aren't living in Paradise Valley, so quit acting like it!
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If you do not like Walmart, don't shop there. momof4kiddos, you probably go in there daily. So who do you know that is a crackhead? You must know someone???????
I know several nice people that work at Walmart and they make more an hour than the one's that work at upscale Bashas. So get your facts straight before calling names. I would hate to think you are homeschooling your kids as you would be teaching them some mighty bad things......
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| Nice attack - your true character comes shining through! And who do you think provide health care for those "4 kiddos?" You through your premiums? Not hardly. Those of us who are part of your plan subsidize breeders like you. So, let's not have the "welfaremomof4kiddos" throw stones at Walmart employees. Just out of curiousity momof4, do have a job? Not that stay-at-home crap, I mean a real job.
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Momof4Kiddos,
You refer to Wal-Mart as a crackhead employee store. They probably do pay minimum wage to many, likely most, of their employees. Please tell me which area retailer (or any employer!) has hundreds of jobs to offer at $15-20 an hour? In our rapidly plummeting economy, jobs are going to be harder and harder to find. I wouldn't be thrilled about working at Wal-Mart, but given the choice of a Wal-Mart job or nothing, I'd do what I had to do in order to provide for my family. Out of the perhaps 300+ employees at a Wal-Mart, I'm sure a few may not be the most upstanding of citizens, but that is the case at any employer with that many workers.
You also say that (m)ost walmarts are not placed in the middle of upscale neighborhoods. While this does seem to be true, I'm not sure how this reflects on the employees.
I get that you're not happy about having a Wal-Mart store every mile or two. I'm not all that excited about it either. I just don't see this as a reason to attack the people who have taken jobs there.
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| Does anyone think we are going to get a Sak's 5th Avenue, Neiman Marcus, Norstorm's or any other up scale department store in our area? You have a better chance of running in and winning the Triple Crown. Those kind of stores don't come to Surprise. Maybe we might get a outlet mall and some of those stores might be there selling their seconds. But that will be about as close to those stores as Surprise will ever see.
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bouche wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: A big "Thank you" momof4kiddos! We need more support like yours!
As for deuce, I only attack when having been attacked. Don't look for me to play victim. The world needs more go-getters like momof4 above!
. . . interesting exhange. I went back to get a feel for where the respondents were coming from. Mama as a victim . . . never! As a gleeful attacker with an edge about her . . . you bet! Why is it that posters can't stick to the topic rather than make things personal? Isn't the topic at hand Walmart?
Back on the topic, several of us, including Mama, have taken advantage of Walmarts "$4 generic prescription drug" program. In fact, it's saved Arizonans $18 million and Americans over $1 billion last year.
An attack response? Let's wait and see.
Attack response? Nope. First though, I'm going to question why 'bouche' and 'deuce' are so similar??? Hmmm. Okay, maybe we'll get back to that one later. I find it fascinating, however, you who are implying you know me(?) of which I seriously doubt, since I've never stepped into Walmartel to fill prescriptions. I don't believe in my entire lifetime I've spent as little as $4.00 for a prescription. Got the wrong person, eh? An edge? Why Thank You!
And Momof4kiddos -- once again, thank you for paying attention and I hope you've subscribed to the RAW's website to be kept updated! That's: residentsagainstwalmart@cox.net
and please pass the information onto your neighbors and friends
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Mamazoyd wrote: A big "Thank you" momof4kiddos! We need more support like yours!
As for deuce, I only attack when having been attacked. Don't look for me to play victim. The world needs more go-getters like momof4 above!
. . . interesting exhange. I went back to get a feel for where the respondents were coming from. Mama as a victim . . . never! As a gleeful attacker with an edge about her . . . you bet! Why is it that posters can't stick to the topic rather than make things personal? Isn't the topic at hand Walmart?
Back on the topic, several of us, including Mama, have taken advantage of Walmarts "$4 generic prescription drug" program. In fact, it's saved Arizonans $18 million and Americans over $1 billion last year.
An attack response? Let's wait and see.
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A big "Thank you" momof4kiddos! We need more support like yours!
As for deuce, I only attack when having been attacked. Don't look for me to play victim. The world needs more go-getters like momof4 above!
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"So if you live no where near that area, why are you jumping down her throat?"
It will be interesting to get Mama's response to your observation. You should be aware, however, that Mama likes to attack raz and others. It's like a "sport" for her.
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I am a surrounding community member and I do not like the fact that another crackhead employee store will be in walking distance with my children in the neighborhood. Most walmarts are not placed in the middle of upscale neighborhoods, so this upsets me greatly. And guess what, I had no idea until she posted that. So if you live no where near that area, why are you jumping down her throat?
I have written to the mayor and others. Walmart employees are not whats needed in our little suburb. You guys think Walmart is cheap? It just appears that way. All of our tax dollars are going to support their welfare employees because Walmart makes it impossible to get on their insurance and pays them low wages so they jump on the states....
I HATE WALMART.
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razenkn wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: That's fine gem, but I don't think anyone is going to stop the effort. If we've got the support of several surrounding communities, we might be able to make a difference. I for one am usually in it until the bitter end and I'm hoping the rest of the participants are too.
I will agree with you that I don't think the council knew what exact stores were going to be put in either; I also know it's not the first time a developer duped them or neighborhoods with their presentations. I do think this can be a great learning experience to never, ever trust what developers are telling HOA's in attempting to gain their approval. I for one won't forget.
So Mama, did you ever find out what the status is with the last council's outrageous $240 Million dollar tax break since we are only getting a Wal Mart? Does that change anything? Are we stuck with the deal? I never really fully understood that whole proposition anyway, did you? Do you think Surprise can afford that? Probably not.
There you go again raz, trying to put words into someone's mouth. What the hell are you talking about? NO ONE ever said that's all they were trying to put in. Sheesh.....................................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't know if anyone has mentioned this site but I saw some of this movie on cable. A real eye opener. You can see the trailer here.
http://www.walmartmovie.com/
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Mamazoyd wrote: That's fine gem, but I don't think anyone is going to stop the effort. If we've got the support of several surrounding communities, we might be able to make a difference. I for one am usually in it until the bitter end and I'm hoping the rest of the participants are too.
I will agree with you that I don't think the council knew what exact stores were going to be put in either; I also know it's not the first time a developer duped them or neighborhoods with their presentations. I do think this can be a great learning experience to never, ever trust what developers are telling HOA's in attempting to gain their approval. I for one won't forget.
So Mama, did you ever find out what the status is with the last council's outrageous $240 Million dollar tax break since we are only getting a Wal Mart? Does that change anything? Are we stuck with the deal? I never really fully understood that whole proposition anyway, did you? Do you think Surprise can afford that? Probably not.
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The Crash has started (world wide)... Get out of the Stock Market NOW....
Most of you will be lucky to have jobs. Don't worry about what stores are built where. Buy and store food like canned soups, flour, sugar, coffee, corn meal and canned meats, etc.
Oil has passed 111.00 and headed up. Expect $7.00 per gallon gas by summer if you can find any...
My God have Mercy on Us. Bush and the crooked bankers won't...
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That's fine gem, but I don't think anyone is going to stop the effort. If we've got the support of several surrounding communities, we might be able to make a difference. I for one am usually in it until the bitter end and I'm hoping the rest of the participants are too.
I will agree with you that I don't think the council knew what exact stores were going to be put in either; I also know it's not the first time a developer duped them or neighborhoods with their presentations. I do think this can be a great learning experience to never, ever trust what developers are telling HOA's in attempting to gain their approval. I for one won't forget. Last edited on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 03:29 am by Mamazoyd
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When you guys pool your money together and come up with 85 Billion dollars, then and only then will you be able to the Waltons where they can build.
Everyone thought it was a great idea till you found out a Wal-Mart was going in.
The planning commission is the ones you should be blaming, because they are the ones who got the OK for Wal-Mart to build on that site. I don't think the council had any idea what was going to be built on that site.
I mean do know why your home sits on top of your neighbors house? Do you think it is because you neighbor wants it there?
This is just another case where the government has put the screws to the people and it all got done before anyone could realize what was happening.
It wasn't shoved down anyones throats or anything else like that. They have the money and they control the game. Sorry but you can yell and scream all you want but your voice is fallen on deaf ears. It's a done deal.
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You may think they've got a right to build here, but I can guarantee that had myself and many people in my neighborhood known a Walmartel was being planned at that location, there would not have been support for the project. I guess you can say that yet again, the developer pulled a quickie as his representative never uttered that name in his presentations. Thus we have RAW.
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You may be right about the Greenway store but I will predict here and now that the Neighborhood Market will be a huge hit and you won't be able to get in there to shop. Nobody will be able to beat their prices which can only be a good thing for Surprise. As far as the rest of the reasoning, I find it just political mumbo jumbo, sorry. They are what they are and people know it going in. If they don't like it, don't shop there and don't apply for a job. It's as easy as that. They have just as much right to open here as any other store.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 07:55 pm |
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raz, I can't agree with the Desert Ridge comment because I don't know. I've been there just a couple times, in and out from one particular store with my son, probably 4 years or so ago. That's it.
I do, however, agree with the RAW group's theory and I'll call it mission statement. We do not need nor want another Walmart. We do not feel they do justice to their employees as far as pay or benefits. Surprise will not benefit from another Walmart, there's a pretty much brand new biggie empty one 3 miles directly east from this proposed site, there's the old biggie at Grand/Bell which gets all the business, there's a neighborhood market going in at Reems and Greenway, and wherever else they're going to attempt to invade. Yes, I said invade.
Thank you for the recommendations at Desert Ridge. If I ever get there, I'll have to check them out.
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On the topic of different varieties of Wal-Marts, it's funny to me that I don't think anyone on this thread has mentioned the Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market (what GEM127 called the Food-Only WM) going in at Greenway and Reems.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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That's interesting Mama, just the messenger? So, does that mean you don't agree with what they are saying or you do? Desert Ridge is a great place, but Bouche is absolutely correct on our demographics not attracting high end quality yet. Other than they have a few more upscale type restaurants, basically they are discount stores.
I would take that in a heartbeat however, especially if the upscale restaurants tie into them. It's a great one-stop shopping center and it really lends itself well to the younger groups. Shopping, movies, Jillian's, and great restaurant fare. If you've not been, you should give it a shot. Try KEG's Steakhouse (outstanding) or my other favorite is Islands - best burger in town.
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Nope bouche, mama did not write that. Mama is supplying info received from the RAW group -- you know, kind of like food for thought for those who are hesitant to take the plunge. Personally, I don't know that much about Desert Ridge.
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Mama wrote:
"City Council please help us understand the rationale of putting a
Walmart in a mall that is supposed to rival that of Desert Ridge!!!"
I'm unaware of any "high-end" stores at Desert Ridge unless you are referring to TJ Max, Marshalls, Target, Kohls, Joann's, etc.
Surprise's chances of landing a Nordstroms, Saks, Bloomingdales, etc. are not very good considering its demographic characteristics versus, say, North Phoenix, where Nordstorms will be opening a store at City North. If you look at where Walmart has historically opened stores, Surprise fits very well with their criteria.
One recent study of department stores placed them into one of four price point categories:
• Designer/Bridge (the most exclusive or high end stores)
• Better/Moderate
• Moderate/Popular
• Off-Price, Discount (the least exclusive stores)
An example of a Designer/Bridge or high end department store would be Saks Fifth Avenue.
A Better/Moderate department store would be Macy’s.
Sears Roebuck is an example of a Moderate/Popular department store.
A chain in the Off-Price, Discount category is K-Mart.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/14/AR2008031403320.html?wpisrc=newsletter
editorial about arizona and city north
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Like so many others who bought in Surprise 7-8 years ago, we got caught up into the "next North Scottsdale" excitement. However, it shakes out Surprise demographics show us as a mostly working class, chain restaraunt / big box suburb. Rest assured those top of the line retailers have looked Surprise over and probably don't have reason to rush any plans they may have for this area. On the other hand, Wal Mart and Target know they can build almost immediately given the level of expanding population we do have.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 04:30 pm |
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How about 4 different kinds of Wal-Marts.
1. Wal-Marts
2. Super Wal-Mart
3. Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market
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Guess what? Sam's Club is coming to 303 and Bell and I love it! Costco will come to Prasada but not until 303 is on it's way. Someone told me the other day that Costco had bought land in Surprise.....but that is only a rumor and is not true.
Like I mentioned on a previous post, "Buy Wal-Mart stock, you can't go wrong".
Good day mate.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 04:21 pm |
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| did you read the buzz about city north....they are putting in a nordstroms
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As much as you would like, you can't stop Wallymart from putting up a store anywhere they want. The Walton family is way to rich and powerful. You are talking about a family who has a bank roll of over 85 billion dollars, that doesn't include company stocks. They will buy up every piece of land that they can that surrounds Surprise and put up stores just to prove to everyone how powerful they are. They are in the process of opening stores that only sell food so they can put the other stores out of business. So now there are 3 different types of Wal-Marts ; Wal-Marts, Super-Wal-Marts, and now Food Only-Wal-Marts.
Pretty soon it might be the only store in town, literally.
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