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Posted: Sun Mar 16th, 2008 01:56 pm |
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Mamazoyd wrote: Dear Raw Members,
Did you know there is only:
1. One Nordstroms in the area of Phoenix and its outer cities?
2. One (1) IKEA in the State of AZ.
Did you know:
The City of Surprise has never formally approached Costco about
building a store in Surprise ( if we are wrong on this info, will someone at
the City please correct us)
These are just a few examples of High-End Retail stores that would make
Prasada a Premier Shopping Center.
Why can't Surprise boasts of these great shopping venues coming to
Prasada rather than Walmart?
Remember the old saying:
"If you build it, they will come!"
City Council please help us understand the rationale of putting a
Walmart in a mall that is supposed to rival that of Desert Ridge!!!
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Do you know this has been tried in just about every city where they decide to put a Wal-mart. You're wasting your time mama.
The household income demographics of Surprise (with the exception of SCG) would not support a Nordstroms or any high end retailer. I doubt if the age demographics would support an IKEA.
I think the next Costco will go up on Lake Pleasant Road at the end of the 303. That will not be too bad of a drive considering there's not much traffic on the 303.
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See RAZ : I said I wanted a recall and there you go. I don't know why or who to recall but now we have a group against Walmart. YEAH  Last edited on Sun Mar 16th, 2008 12:47 am by GEM127
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I think Mama needs to get a hobby!
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Mamazoyd wrote: Hope all you anti-Walmartelers out there are signing up to:
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This e-mail address will enable you to get updates and information on events. Thanks!
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. . . is RAW a formal organization with members? How many? Who's heading it up? Will they be petitioning the City Council and Walmart for reconsideration of the decision to built another Walmart in the area?
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Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 07:36 pm |
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Dear Raw Members,
Did you know there is only:
1. One Nordstroms in the area of Phoenix and its outer cities?
2. One (1) IKEA in the State of AZ.
Did you know:
The City of Surprise has never formally approached Costco about
building a store in Surprise ( if we are wrong on this info, will someone at
the City please correct us)
These are just a few examples of High-End Retail stores that would make
Prasada a Premier Shopping Center.
Why can't Surprise boasts of these great shopping venues coming to
Prasada rather than Walmart?
Remember the old saying:
"If you build it, they will come!"
City Council please help us understand the rationale of putting a
Walmart in a mall that is supposed to rival that of Desert Ridge!!!
Residents Against Walmart |
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Dear Jeanine Jerkovic, City Council and RAW Members,
Do you really think Doctors want to build their offices near a Hospital
that is built next door to a WalMart?
Do you really think Doctors want to open Medical Centers in a city that
proudly boasts of Walmart as their major retail anchor stores?
If Professionals regard us "as a rural, middle-of -nowhere kind of
place without substantial economic opportunities". What do you think their
perception will be if you allow a Walmart to be placed at the major
shopping corner of 303 and Waddell?
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Posted: Sat Mar 15th, 2008 07:34 pm |
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Dear RAW Members:
District 3 City Councilman John Williams is fighting the Foreclosure
issue looming over Surprise! He has written articles and posted info on
his website regarding this serious matter.
Question?: Do you think a putting a WalMart on the 303 and Waddell is
going to help our Councilman fight the Foreclosure issue?
Answer: We believe the answer is "NO".
Scenario: Imagine placing a WalMart at the 303 and Waddell, the Heart
of the Prasada Development!
Here is the Ripple Effect after Walmarts first year in existence at the
303 and Waddell:
1. The Original homeowners of Surprise are selling their homes because
no one told them after three years of living in Surprise their homes
would be located behind a WalMart.
2. Original homeowners are furious over this Walmart and realize they
can't sell their homes, so now they decide to rent their homes out. They
dont want to live in a city that boasts three (3) Walmarts with a 4th
one sitting just a few yards outside are city limits (Waddell and
Dysart)
3. Original Homeowners can't rent their homes out and they don't want
to live where Walmart is the Premier Store of the Prasada Mall and the
City of Surprise; thus the number of Foreclosures continues to grow.
4. City Councilman John Williams plight against Foreclosures only gets
worse.
RAW wonders if the above the scenario is a potential reality?
Do we really want to wait around and find out?
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| I have shopped there on occasion, but I like Super Target. But you have admit that trying to find someone to help you is like pulling teeth.
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GEM127, I'm confused. It sure sounds like you've shopped at Wal-Mart more than once, yet you basically say you hate it. There are other places you could spend your money. Why return to a store you claim to despise?
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| As for these cashiers who can't count change. Where will they work if Wal Mart doesn't give them a job? Point I'm making is you can bet Surprise is not on a lot of shortlists of potential big employers. I think we may as well sit around a campfire singing Kumbaya to think were going to get significant numbers of well paying employment options anytime soon. That new Target will be a Super Target.
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I love shopping there. The smell of Illegals and Bengay in the air. Whining kids. Cashiers who don't know how to count change and would be lost without the computer telling them how much change to give. And then there is nothing like buying a piece of merchandise only to find out later that is made overseas. By child labor, and that country is building an army large enough to destroy the USA.
I did notice the Statue of Liberty next to the Walmart Recruitment booth. It said we hire your poor, tired, and hungry.
But that is only ones opinion.
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LLL and SR -- Thanks! You both make very valid points
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| SR, well see the thing is--oh, never mind.
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What do you suggest then for those who have no education, no work experience and some barely can speak the english language and I'm not necessarily referring to those who cross our borders legally or illegally. Sometimes this is the only shot they have at learning a skill, becoming independent and securing a modest amount of dignity. What is wrong with that? How does that make Wal Mart or any other like corporation bad? Do you think we should tell these people to say home, sleep till noon each day, beat up on their spouses, drink/do drugs and keep on having those babies because there isn't anything else for them to do? They are above working at Wal Mart?
SR says: so, RAZ, if not for Walmart, it's employees would be staying at home" sleep till noon each day, beat up on their spouses", etc....you are more bigoted than I thought....an alternative for people with 'no education and no work experience' is providing training and work experience..there are shortages in a variety of fields including healthcare and the trades ..why not provide training for them and also, where needed, internships to get training and used to getting to work to get a job done....the Democrats had programs liek thosein the past, CETA comes to mind....instead of training and maximizing people's potential, why would you rather condemn them to a life at Walmart??? You spin this like the racist who defends slavery, "yup, we give em a place to sleep and food, so we're giving these here slaves a good deal..they ought to be grateful' Sad to say, RAZ, your idea of America is more typical of a third world dictator who would rather keep the downtrodden downtrodden
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Hey Mama, I agree with you that another Walmart in close proximity to the latest is pretty idiotic. Also dont fall into the Raz debate, he/she cant even make up their own mind in what they believe. Raz disagrees with the Democrats on providing service for Americans, but will support a corporation that encourages their employees to use all the services provided by the state and federal government creating the very situation of dependency on the government and not that" raise your family on your own" banter he/she is currently pushing .
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| Raz, like working at Walmart is going to allow one to become independent? Don't think so. You do have a point where certain people need to find employment somewhere but you are missing my point also. There is a Walmartel 3 miles away. Why put another one in between the 303 and Cotton? Surprise will end up looking like a city of Walmarts, and we already look like a city of Walgreens. Wow -- what a statement to make -- a city of the 'Wals'. Common sense should be used in the placement of these stores but I can see it's not. There are any number of big box stores that could have gone in there that would have made more sense, and put the Walmart elsewhere if we really truly needed one -- not 3 miles directly west.
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To catch up on a few thoughts posted earlier...someone asked about a Target coming in/near Prasada. They have indeed purchased land in Prasada, though it's unclear if it will be for a traditional Target or a SuperTarget.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/westvalley/articles/0215gl-nwvwestcor0216.html http://www.costar.com/News/Article.aspx?id=5A056B95A07C0C682F04896A2522F8FB&ref=1&src=rss http://www.globest.com/news/1091_1091/phoenix/168165-1.html
The El Mirage Wal-Mart does charge 9.3% tax on non-food items and 3% on food items, according to a recent receipt I have.
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What do you suggest then for those who have no education, no work experience and some barely can speak the english language and I'm not necessarily referring to those who cross our borders legally or illegally. Sometimes this is the only shot they have at learning a skill, becoming independent and securing a modest amount of dignity. What is wrong with that? How does that make Wal Mart or any other like corporation bad? Do you think we should tell these people to say home, sleep till noon each day, beat up on their spouses, drink/do drugs and keep on having those babies because there isn't anything else for them to do? They are above working at Wal Mart?
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razenkn wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: http://wakeupwalmart.com/
Oh, this is where you get your information? Seriously, you should stay off these hate websites. They are backed by the failing unions and don't care who they take down in order to keep their power. You should know better than that Mama. These people aren't helping anyone, they hurt those who are in desperate need of a job. Wal Mart offers that entry level chance to learn and grow. No dear raz, this is NOT where I get my info. Just actually found it when I plugged in Walmart -- did you notice the date of 2005? An entry level chance, eh? Yeah, and I've got some nice cool fresh air to sell you here in the desert summer too.
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Mamazoyd wrote: http://wakeupwalmart.com/
Oh, this is where you get your information? Seriously, you should stay off these hate websites. They are backed by the failing unions and don't care who they take down in order to keep their power. You should know better than that Mama. These people aren't helping anyone, they hurt those who are in desperate need of a job. Wal Mart offers that entry level chance to learn and grow.
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GEM127 wrote: I just want to get on a Recall list of some kind.
Are you being funny, or serious? What recall?
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| http://wakeupwalmart.com/
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Sorry Mama, there are 45 responses on here and not one was upset over the fact Wal Mart was being built. All I saw was disappointment that the upscale portion of the project appears to be on hold. The other 10 responses were yours.
Keep dreamin raz -- Do you really think this blog is all there is to to life and the current methods of communication? I just don't feel inclined to post all the responses I've gotten from the committee. As I stated, my job is done. I've posted on here to alert those who care. Now, just go away.....shoo, shoo... 
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deuce wrote: Mamazoyd wrote:
And deuce, GOLD is where the stocks are at -- all time high. When you've got gold, who needs Walmartel????
Come on mama, you don't own an ounce of gold and what you do have is probably a part of your jewelry collection and you don't have enough of that to convert into a $1,000.
Sorry sweetie -- DREAM ON!!!!
Mutual funds are a WONDERFUL thing
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| I just want to get on a Recall list of some kind.
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GEM127 wrote: Is it too late for a RECALL?
Who? The council who set up this deal is gone. Who would you recall at this point?
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Mamazoyd wrote:
And deuce, GOLD is where the stocks are at -- all time high. When you've got gold, who needs Walmartel????
Come on mama, you don't own an ounce of gold and what you do have is probably a part of your jewelry collection and you don't have enough of that to convert into a $1,000.
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Sorry Mama, there are 45 responses on here and not one was upset over the fact Wal Mart was being built. All I saw was disappointment that the upscale portion of the project appears to be on hold. The other 10 responses were yours.
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| Is it too late for a RECALL? Last edited on Fri Mar 14th, 2008 12:57 am by GEM127
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Now, now raz -- I don't know what you're saying, but what I'm saying is a lot of information is passed through this blog but not necessarily commented on. What non-support are you looking at? 4 people? A pittance. People may read but they don't want to be attacked -- it's simply getting the word out and frankly I don't care who posts in defense of it. It's out there and they've got the info if they want it. I've accomplished my major goal in this regard. My understanding is there are a lot of people ready for the fight.
And deuce, GOLD is where the stocks are at -- all time high. When you've got gold, who needs Walmartel????
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mama, if you think for one minute that Walmart doesn't know what they're doing . . . guess again. They're not in the business of loosing money. You probably don't own any Walmart stock, but if you're invested in any mutual funds, you probably have a piece of Walmart. If you don't have any investments . . . oh, well.
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I think we are on the same page Mama, people are posting on here about it and they don't seem to care. But I appreciate you agreeing that I was right about something for a change.
Hopefully, that isn't all we are going to get out of Prasada, if it turns out that is it, how does that impact the sweet deal our last council made with the developers for the $240 million dollar tax break? (sweet for the developers).  Anyone know?
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Deuce, I'd take a Target ANYDAY over Walmart. And we don't have one just three miles away either like they want to put this Walmart. And to go back to the original idea, why put one 3 miles away when the other one has no customers?
And no raz, simply because people aren't posting on here whether they care or not, my information is that an awful lot of people DO care and are signing up for the group. You're right: this is a perfect place to post information for people to read.
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. . . if you're talking about stores with multiple locations in Surprise, how about Fry's, Starbucks, Safeway, CVS, Walgreens, etc. etc. Walmart is an easy target (no pun intended) so it garners more than it's fair share of attention. Now that I think of it, we need another Target.
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Is anybody getting the impression nobody cares if we are getting another Wal Mart? The old argument about how badly they treat the employees seems to be fizzling out, you should probably ask the employees that are actually working there to see how bad they have it, funny how they never have a hard time hiring. But hey, why single out Walmart, we just opened another Kohl's, now we have TWO. OH NO!!!!  What should we do, who wants to start a petition??????? Kohl's are taking over the City!!
Just Kidding Kohl's, we're happy to have you here!
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| Yes, Surprise is a bit cheaper, but El Mirage (for me anyway) )is easier to park and shop. As for Wal Mart being some sorta surprise, this was discussed a couple or three years ago by previous council / deveopers as part of the big box out areas of Prasada. Wal Mart originally wanted Bell and 303 site where Sam's is going up now. I remember people being more satisfied to have Sams at present location and a new Wal Mart futher south on the 303.
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CatholicMom wrote: Surprise Teacher...
I'm pretty sure it's no sales tax period - they don't differentiate between state or city.
If you shop at the El Mirage store, you'll be paying 9.3% more on your food items than you would in Surprise.
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Arizona does not charge sales tax on food purchased at retail outlets for home consumption (grocery stores). But cities are allowed to do so, and almost all of them do, except Phoenix, Mesa, and Surprise. When shopping in these cities, be aware of buying grocery items in stores that are not really grocery stores. Their systems might not have the capability to charge a different tax rate for file cabinets as opposed to coffee.
. . . would seem Surprise_teacher is correct. You save 3.0% shopping in Surprise
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Surprise Teacher...
I'm pretty sure it's no sales tax period - they don't differentiate between state or city.
If you shop at the El Mirage store, you'll be paying 9.3% more on your food items than you would in Surprise.
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Hope all you anti-Walmartelers out there are signing up to:
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CM, I'm not a CPA, but since there is no state sales tax on food, it seems to me that all the El Mirage Wal-Mart would be able to collect is the 3% that goes straight to the city of El Mirage. Therefore, a $100 food bill would have $3.00 in tax. Still a difference from Surprise, but when I plan to spend that much on food at a Wal-Mart, I'll happily pay $3 more to shop at the clean, relatively uncrowded, more often well-stocked store in El Mirage over the one in Surprise.
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No, it's much higher deuce. (See below)
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El Mirage sales tax: 9.3%
A $100 food bill will have $9.30 in tax.
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Surprise sales tax: 8.5%
A $100 food bill will have $0.00 in tax.
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Arizona does not charge sales tax on food purchased at retail outlets for home consumption (grocery stores). But cities are allowed to do so, and almost all of them do, except Phoenix, Mesa, and Surprise.
http://phoenix.about.com/od/govtoff/a/salestax.htm
CM
(By the way, my neighbor is a CPA!)
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| Wait, let me guess. You own LOTS of gold that is hidden in your underground bunker.
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| Question, what is a "building crunch so slow"?
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Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 04:32 am |
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BB35, why are you wasting your precious financial resources on the electricity to power your computer? Unless, of course, you're generating your own wind or solar power completely off the grid...
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Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 12:58 am |
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| The upscale portion of Prasada has not been scrapped. However, the intial proposal did say "market driven", with a timeline of up to 20 years until build-out.
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 10:02 pm |
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. . . maybe. The Surprise sales tax is .8% < El Mirage or 80 cents per $100.
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 09:25 pm |
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Mama,
My neighbor, a mom of five, does not shop at the El Mirage store. She shops at the Surprise Walmart because the taxes are lower. Maybe that's why it isn't so busy?
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