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OldEagleEye
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 Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 04:44 am
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I happen to know a "highly qualified", or whatever, teacher at one of the high schools who's been teaching for Dysart for about 7 years.  She's already risen to be between No. 50 and No. 75 on a seniority roster of, what, 700-800 teachers in the district?  That's some turnover!  I imagine the instability in the other departments in the district, with the exception of Valhalla (oops, I meant the District office), is as bad or worse than within the teacher corps. 

Whoever's on the board needs to get and keep their heads out of the clouds (and New Orleans or wherever) and do their jobs right here -- its called oversight!

Senior management in a "normal, healthy" organization would have long ago been put on the street for much less.

And we entrust our children to this bunch of clowns.

P.S.  It ought to be obvious to anyone with half a brain that it's district policy to prevent staff from gaining experience and seniority so that they can be replaced by lower paid newbies.  Keep that average compensation per staff member down!  What a path to excellence.

Last edited on Mon May 5th, 2008 04:51 am by OldEagleEye

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 Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 12:31 am
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momx4 wrote:  I could swear I read a statment from them saying something to the effect of they both needed to go because one person couldn't possibly attend all *insert ridiculously high number here* conferences. The thing that hit me at the time was that the logic was flawed because even TWO people couldn't attend all of the conferences. So why on earth did they attend ANY of the same conferences???? What a total waste of money.
Excellent memory momx4.  You are referring to the January 23, 2008 Governing Board Meeting in which that exact statement was made by Bridget Otterman in her justification why they both had to attend the conference.  It is quickly and vaguely mentioned in the Governing Board minutes (http://dysart.org/board/minutes/2008/01-23-08.pdf) but in listening to the audio again, she spends a good 3-5 minutes talking to this point.  I'll have to extract the audio and get it posted on the website.

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 Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 11:29 pm
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SaveOurDysart wrote:

3) For the ticketed sessions, it looks as though they both attended the same sessions (indicated by the check mark).  In the corporate world, if people are going to the same conference, everyone splits up and covers as many different sessions as possible.  You don't send a group of people all that way and spend all that money for all of them to go to the same sessions.


Wait a minute. Wasn't that one of the reasons stated that they both had to go? I could swear I read a statment from them saying something to the effect of they both needed to go because one person couldn't possibly attend all *insert ridiculously high number here* conferences. The thing that hit me at the time was that the logic was flawed because even TWO people couldn't attend all of the conferences. So why on earth did they attend ANY of the same conferences???? What a total waste of money.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 09:48 pm
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After Charles Otterman stated that the total cost "will be nowhere near $2,000", the actual numbers are available.

Conference Registration:  $482
Airfare:                              $728
Lodging:                            $614

Grand Total:                      $1824

A couple of interesting observations:

1) It appears as though they did not expense their meals, which would have caused them to exceed their $2,000 "limit".

2) The hotel rate "exceeds the state maximum"

3) For the ticketed sessions, it looks as though they both attended the same sessions (indicated by the check mark).  In the corporate world, if people are going to the same conference, everyone splits up and covers as many different sessions as possible.  You don't send a group of people all that way and spend all that money for all of them to go to the same sessions.

Here are the documents: http://www.SaveOurDysart.com/documents/neworleans.pdf



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 Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 06:13 am
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Anyone interested in hearing about the big trip can attend the Governing Board Meeting on March 26.  Looks like the "report" will be made to the administrators and public in attendence.  It doesn't appear that teachers will be getting any specific feedback.  If you want to hear how your $2,000 was spent, come to the meeting.


http://www.SaveOurDysart.com/documents/agendaOttermanReportNewOrleans.pdf


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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 02:37 am
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You obviously did not pick up on my sarcasm.  :cool:   No, not a board member - far from it, but thanks for letting me irk you into trying to guess my identity!  Oh, and have been a resident going on about a decade - quite the old timer by Surprise standards!

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 12:53 am
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What the H - E double hockey sticks am I going to do with information like that? I could care less what they have to say about what they learned.  That information is useless to me.  I sure hope they do something for the entire district.  For your sake sympathetic, I sure hope you don't have inside knowledge that they are actually working on something.  Wouldn't want to mistake you for a board member.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 12:32 am
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Maybe they're waiting for a board meeting so they can wow the public with a great presentation.  I bet they're working on it right now!

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 12:29 am
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Now that Briches Otterman are back from the Big Easy, did they present any useful information to you teachers?  Have you heard anything about a presentation?  Was our money put to good use? 



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