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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 06:27 pm |
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Mamazoyd said:isn't that what law enforcement is elected to do? By the book but get it done? From what I see, he's lacking in that departmen
Mama, can you give us an example?
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 06:18 pm |
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Okay, fair enough. However you stated, I will say that not everything Sheriff Joe does might not be to the letter of the law, but he does get the job done. And that is what everyone hates.
I believe a lot of the criticism is because he is so arrogant, and he doesn't always do things 'to the letter of the law' and people think he's great and he therefore feels he can get away with it. He is the sheriff and he is supposed to do things by the book -- isn't that what law enforcement is elected to do? By the book but get it done? From what I see, he's lacking in that department.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 04:18 am |
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Not hateful at all. I really think if you don't legally belong here then go home. Why should anyone come into this country and say it's theirs. You have to earn it. Everyone today thinks we owe everyone something. I paid my due's and now you tell me that some illegal alien has the same rights as I do! Maybe you should rethink things.
I will say that not everything Sheriff Joe does might not be to the letter of the law, but he does get the job done. And that is what everyone hates.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 02:19 am |
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Gem said,
Maybe Sheriff Joe will make it open season on all illegal aliens and pay people $100.00 to turn them in. I know I would be rich. Bring back the old west.
Kind of hateful, don't ya think? How about a 'do unto others' scenario?
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 01:34 am |
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So Gem, rather interesting just about all your posts concerning Joe pertain to the illegals. Do you support Joe on the other faux paus committed by him and his crew also? Are you a 100% Joe guy? I thought I remembered previously you were more liberal on other threads.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 12:34 am |
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I say deporting 14 ILLEGAL ALIENS is more then Mayor Gordon's people have done in months. If everyone cares so much for these people why don't you take their place a go to back Mexico for them. Then one of them can stay here legally. Trade places. That would be fair. One for One. You can get all your friends and family members who think illegals aliens have a right to be here. And you all can give up your US citizenship and we will give an illegal alien your citizenship.
Then the only thing you will have to worry about is Sheriff Joe finding you here illegally. Thats if you survive living in that great country you love so much Mexico.
Maybe Sheriff Joe will make it open season on all illegal aliens and pay people $100.00 to turn them in. I know I would be rich. Bring back the old west.
And yes you have nothing concrete to argue about so now you are trying to read out of a dictionary and dispute what a word means by definition. Pretty sad don't you think.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 10:02 pm |
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| OK--so what you're saying, you conservatives, is that you don't want the Federal gov't to do it's job with respect to enforcing immigration laws...it's no surprise you're saying that, actually, becuase you've been used to Bush doing nothing for the past 7 yrs with respect to the borders...so you're saying Arpaio is better that nothing..actually, 'nothing' would not have mismanaged the Sheriff's department as Arpaio has...did you vote for him to be be the nations security chief or Sheriff? When you voted for Bush a second time time did you say, " I know this guy is totally imcompetent but hey, we have Sheriff Joe to watch the borders so Bush can snooze through his term"..just wondering. Funny how you righties never mention the cost of stunts like Arpaio's two day round up..yeh, he got 14 broken taillighters deported..wow..whatta hero.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 09:11 pm |
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Okay MrsF -- you've made a valid point -- thank you! I will still call them illegal immigrants however but won't complain when others refer to them as aliens.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 08:29 pm |
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Mama,
See my revised post. For some reason, some of what I originally sent got dropped.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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Raz said:
PS, I've been in Arizona much longer than you and I too know what I need to know about Sheriff Joe. He's awesome.
To each his own -- the news and press tell it alll
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 08:03 pm |
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No MrsF, I'm going with immigrant. 'Illegal immigrant' -- They are your #2 foreigner, and they are here illegally. So, they are illegal foreigners. To me, 'aliens' depict horrendous monsters or cute little green men.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 07:47 pm |
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Per Dictionary.com
im·mi·grant    /ˈɪmɪgrənt/ /ˈeɪlyən, ˈeɪliən/ citizen).
1.
a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.
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a foreigner.
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a person who has been estranged or excluded.
al·ien /ˈeɪlyən, ˈeɪliən/ citizen).
1.
a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization (distinguished from citizen).
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a foreigner.
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a person who has been estranged or excluded.
4.
a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.
Based on these two definitions, it looks like ALIEN is the more fitting term here, don't you think? After all, doesn't it provide the most accurate description of what exactly they are doing? See #1 for both terms.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 07:26 pm |
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Mama wrote.....Yes people, it's immigrants and NOT aliens. By whose standards?
PC's can call it what they want.......my operative word in this is "ILLEGAL". When they break the law and sneak into our country illegally, they are illegal aliens. The word "immigrant" suggests "legal", nobody I know has a problem with that whatsoever. Split hairs, but if it's illegal it's illegal and the PC crowd need to get out of law enforcement's way and allow them to do their job of enforcing the laws.
PS, I've been in Arizona much longer than you and I too know what I need to know about Sheriff Joe. He's awesome.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 07:09 pm |
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| Glad you find that amusing raz. Are you saying these cases and situations are lies? When I find the time I'll have to look up other resources not in Wiki, and I truly don't believe I'll have a problem. I remember all these cases and more from the news -- both print and air. Been in AZ for two decades so Joe and his reputation are quite familiar.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 07:03 pm |
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What I find amusing is that you are basing an entire law enforcement career on what you read on Wikid Pedia! You can find anything negative about anyone on there if that is the information you are after. 
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 06:05 pm |
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What I find amusing is anytime anything is discussed on Joey, it always goes to illegal immigrants. Yes people, it's immigrants and NOT aliens.
Check Wikipedia or probably any other source and you'll find a boatload of information NOT concerning his actions with illegals but rather his or sheriff department screw-ups with citizens. I could copy and paste it all here, but really it will take up too much space when you can hopefully look it up yourselves.
Let's see, from what I can tell these are NOT claims by illegal immigrants, but rather our OWN citizens. Oh, here is one I will copy and paste: Criticism has resulted due to lawsuits filed against the sheriff’s office by family members of inmates who died in jail custody and in high-speed pursuits involving deputies. The lawsuits have cost Maricopa County more than $13.7 million in settlement claims. By mid-year 2007, more than $50 million in claims had been filed against the sheriffs office and Maricopa County.
Yes, your hard earned tax dollars at work. Oh yeah, here's a partial -- I love this! The cause of his death, according to the Maricopa County medical examiner, was due to "positional asphyxia". Sheriff Arpaio investigated and subsequently cleared detention officers of any criminal wrongdoing.[11] Norberg’s parents filed a lawsuit against Joe Arpaio and his office. The lawsuit was settled for $8.25 million (USD) following a highly contentious legal battle. Despite vowing to never settle, the case quickly closed after it was disclosed the Sheriff's office had destroyed key evidence in the case.
And then, of course, there are the others and a million and one excuses why the sheriff's department was innocent. There's Brian Crenshaw, Richard Post, James Saville, oh and the prostitution sting was hilarious. And then because of Joe and his regime, the Irish Court has no intentions of delivering Patrick Colleary back to Maricopa County. A man who should have the book and a few others things thrown at him for Priesthood molestation, and he gets a pass because of Joe's arrogance.
Let's face it, the list goes on and there are more. Some of you might look at the list in Wikipedia and say it's rather short, but I know there is a lot of intimidation that has taken place and people aren't speaking, just like his employees. These are just a few reasons why it's time for him to be voted out. Since we must have a sheriff for the county areas, let's be able to say 'There's a new sheriff (Saban) in town' and hopefully then the controversy and bad media can abate.
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I think you both hit the nail on the head with those comments.... RAZ and Sunny Surprise
We do need 500 more just like him. And as far as getting the Federal Government involved and letting them do the job, most of them can't figure out how to tie their own shoes in the morning. They have been putting immigration on the back burner for over 20 years probably longer and maybe, just maybe if they did sometime 20 plus years ago we wouldn't have the problem we have today.
Joe is the man!
Support the only Sheriff in Town!
Hire more just like him!
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 03:26 pm |
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What I'm hearing on here is "yeah, let's get some more Federal Government involved", haven't you figured out that the "government" doesn't fix anything? Are you kidding me? His soon to be opponent makes an outrageous charge that the only reason Arpaio enforces illegal immigration laws that are already on the books by the way, is because he hates the color of their skin, is beyond the pale.
Some on here are hiding behind the "he has too big of an ego and likes to speak his mind to the camera, don't like his personality" whereas their real bias comes from nothing more than partisan politics. If Sheriff Arpaio was a Democrat, we wouldn't be having this conversation, they would be high-fiving the guy. And please, spare me the rhetoric of oh no, I'm an independent blah, blah.
Let's be honest here with what is really going on. No, not everyone is going to agree with his opinions nor his policies, but he is doing his job and hey, the illegals are getting the message loud and clear. We don't need to get rid of him, we need to find 500 more just like him.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 01:13 pm |
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| You Go, Sheriff Joe. Their are alot of us who stand behind what you do. The ones that have the complaints are the one's who have something to fear. Shows ignorance on themselves. I am proud to talk about Sheriff Joe and what he has and is accomplishing. If you want to live here then do it right. Learn our language and be good citizens. I am tired of hearing about their rights. This is MY COUNTRY. I pay taxes and don't commit crimes...............
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 05:33 am |
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Sunny Surprise wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: #1, I am not a Democrat or a 'bleeding heart liberal' as you state Gem. I am still offended by Joe and I know many of his employees that are also. You stated previously why don't they quit? Yeah, right, like finding half-assed decent jobs are an easy thing to come by now-a-days. I'm thinking the people are probably praying someone knocks him off his damn throne. I will agree to a point that he is doing the job he was elected to do. He is the freakin' sheriff. He is doing it in an extremely ignorant manner. He is piling up lawsuits and losing money, and he is doing far more by his actions than he was elected to do. He needs his mug in the press. He will start acting like an idiot soon enough again for sure since his position in the Romney campaign is now gone. I think that took the heat off his sheriff's duties for a while.
I think SR's idea of the state police taking over would be great! Get us out of Mayberry RFD.
OK you said a few words and played both sides of the fence.
Now what would you do to solve the illegal immigration into our state?
Don't put in on Washington but lets only consider Arizona State laws.
Please read my initial message again.
Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house). According to the protesters:
a. You are Required to let me stay in your house
b. You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
c. You are Required to Educate my kids
d. You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.
And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior. Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.
Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?!
Sunny..enforcing immigration laws is, was and always will be a Federal responsibility...NOT the responsibility of some 75 year old yahoo with a pot belly and four stars on his collar with an ego the size of the Grand Canyon. Your metaphor is ludicrous--the round up (how Western sounding) over the past few days has nothing to do with locating felons..and that's what Mayor Gordon was explaining...it's wasting money on 200 Deputies to look for people with broken tail lights and committing other minor traffic offenses when those same deputies could be looking for those, both illegal AND legally here felons for whom there are warrants issued. It's no surprise that the professional police chiefs and mayors in the Valley cannot stand Arpaio and his refusal to cooperate with local agencies...an that's why Arpaio has closed down several local booking stations forcing local PD's to drive to 4th St. in Phx with their prisoners..it's pay-back for complaining publicly about Arpaio and his methods. If any state or lower police officer comes across what he or she deems to be an illegal immigrant, they are suppose to contact ICE...it's their juristiction..not Arpaio's. Again: this Sheriff system has been a good ole boy network for years...when you vote for a Sheriff, you're running for a politician...professionals usually don't run' for office..they are appointed and not able to abuse their power and thumb their nose at local and federal law enforcement agencies as Arpaio does.
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Mamazoyd wrote: #1, I am not a Democrat or a 'bleeding heart liberal' as you state Gem. I am still offended by Joe and I know many of his employees that are also. You stated previously why don't they quit? Yeah, right, like finding half-assed decent jobs are an easy thing to come by now-a-days. I'm thinking the people are probably praying someone knocks him off his damn throne. I will agree to a point that he is doing the job he was elected to do. He is the freakin' sheriff. He is doing it in an extremely ignorant manner. He is piling up lawsuits and losing money, and he is doing far more by his actions than he was elected to do. He needs his mug in the press. He will start acting like an idiot soon enough again for sure since his position in the Romney campaign is now gone. I think that took the heat off his sheriff's duties for a while.
I think SR's idea of the state police taking over would be great! Get us out of Mayberry RFD.
OK you said a few words and played both sides of the fence.
Now what would you do to solve the illegal immigration into our state?
Don't put in on Washington but lets only consider Arizona State laws.
Please read my initial message again.
Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house). According to the protesters:
a. You are Required to let me stay in your house
b. You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
c. You are Required to Educate my kids
d. You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.
And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior. Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.
Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?!
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#1, I am not a Democrat or a 'bleeding heart liberal' as you state Gem. I am still offended by Joe and I know many of his employees that are also. You stated previously why don't they quit? Yeah, right, like finding half-assed decent jobs are an easy thing to come by now-a-days. I'm thinking the people are probably praying someone knocks him off his damn throne. I will agree to a point that he is doing the job he was elected to do. He is the freakin' sheriff. He is doing it in an extremely ignorant manner. He is piling up lawsuits and losing money, and he is doing far more by his actions than he was elected to do. He needs his mug in the press. He will start acting like an idiot soon enough again for sure since his position in the Romney campaign is now gone. I think that took the heat off his sheriff's duties for a while.
I think SR's idea of the state police taking over would be great! Get us out of Mayberry RFD.
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Would someone please give SR a towel.
I wish we did live in the 19th century. Then I could kill me some illegal cockroaches. And nobody would even care.
Sorry you just can't come to terms with the idea that Sheriff Joe does the job we pay him to do. He's not doing what you bleeding heart liberals think he should do, but what the law tells him to do. He does a GREAT JOB and I think you better get use to him doing that type job for a long time to come yet.
Mayor Gordon should be shaking his hand and patting Joe on the back for taking a stand and doing the job that his police officers don't do.
I would be more then happy for anyone on his force to check my papers. Birth cert., D.L., S.S. card. Passport, what ever, it's all in order.
Sunny I love it. Just one more reason I read the post on this site.
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| Politician Phil is embarassed because Sheriff Joe did the job that the PPD goonies can't handle. Way to go Sheriff Joe - keep up the good work!
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| Well, having come from a place in the country where Arpaio is a joke, where he affirms that AZ is still in the 19th century and where we didn't have sheriffs...just professional police mgrs who didn't have press conferences 5 days per week and who actaully cooperated with police agencies, I can see the benefits of eliminating the position of Sheriff...let the State police assume responsibilty by breaking down the state into regions or districts...appoint professionals based on their experience and managment skills....electing Sheriff's is archaic and just dumb,,the averge yahoo, yea, I do mean YOU, has no knowledge of the skills need to command a police agency....watching Law and Order reruns and Cops doesn't quite make you an expert.
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CNN is Reporting
Illegal immigrants packing up and leaving Arizona
PHOENIX, Arizona (AP) -- Illegal immigrants in Arizona, frustrated with a flagging economy and tough new legislation cracking down on their employers, are returning to their home countries or trying their luck in other states.
For months, immigrants have taken a wait-and-see attitude toward the state's new employer-sanctions law, which takes effect January 1. The voter-approved legislation is an attempt to lessen the economic incentive for illegal immigrants in Arizona, the busiest crossing point along the U.S.-Mexico border.
And by all appearances, it's starting to work.
"People are calling me telling me about their friend, their cousin, their neighbors -- they're moving back to Mexico," said Magdalena Schwartz, an immigrant-rights activist and pastor at a Mesa church. "They don't want to live in fear, in terror."
Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant and masonry worker who lives in Camp Verde, 70 miles north of Phoenix, said (IN SPANISH) he is planning to return to Mexico as soon as he ties up loose ends after living here for four years.
"I don't want to live here because of the new law and the oppressive environment," (ISN"T THAT WHAT THEY HAVE IN MEXICO?)he said. "I'll be better in my country." ( THANK YOU AND DON"T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE BUTT!)
He called the employer-sanctions law "absurd." (BUT THEY ARE OUR LAWS> LIKE IT OR LEAVE)
"Everybody here, legally (YES) or illegally (NO WAY!) , we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."
There's no way to know how many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona, especially now with many returning home for normal holiday visits. But economists, immigration lawyers and people who work in the immigrant community agree it's happening.
State Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, the author of the employer sanctions law, said his intent was to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona.
"I'm hoping they will self-deport," Pearce said. "They broke the law. ( WHY DON"T THEY UNDERSTAND ENGLISH? THEY BROKE THE LAW!) They're criminals." (YES SIR!)
Under the employer sanctions law, businesses found to have knowingly hired illegal workers will be subject to sanctions from probation to a 10-day suspension of their business licenses. A second violation would bring permanent revocation of the license.
Nancy-Jo Merritt, an immigration lawyer who primarily represents employers, said her clients already have started to fire workers who can't prove they are in the country legally.
"Workers are being fired, of course," she said. "Nobody wants to find out later on that they've got somebody working for them who's not here legally."
When immigrants don't have jobs, they don't stick around, said Dawn McLaren, a research economist at Arizona State University who specializes in illegal immigration.
She said the flagging economy, particularly in the construction industry, also is contributing to an immigrant exodus.
"As the jobs dwindle and the environment becomes more unpleasant in more ways than one, you then decide what to do, and perhaps leaving looks like a good idea," she said. "And certainly that creates a problem, because as people leave, they take the jobs they created with them."
Pearce disagreed that the Arizona economy will suffer after illegal immigrants leave, saying there will be less crime, lower taxes, less congestion, smaller classroom sizes and shorter lines in emergency rooms.
"We have a free market. It'll adjust," he said. "Americans will be much better off."
He said he's not surprised illegal immigrants are leaving the state and predicts that more will go once the employer-sanctions law takes effect next month.
"It's attrition by enforcement," he said. "As you make this an unfriendly state for lawbreakers, I'm hoping they will pick up and leave."
YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY IS FUNNY. STAY IN MEXICO BEYOND YOUR VACATION OR VISA AND YOU GO TO JAIL. THEN YOU PAY A FINE AFTER THEY FEED YOU CRAP IN AN NON AIR CONDITIONED JAIL. WHERE IN MEXICO DO YOU GO TO GET A FREE LAWYER? NEVER HAPPEN!
I WILL NEVER SET A FOOT IN MEXICO!
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Mayor Gordon is trying to get more votes. LOL
He should support the Sherriff and his Department.
All Sherriff Joe is doing is what he is sworn to do.
UPHOLD THE LAW!
Mayor Gordon what don't you get?
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All I can say is that some people don't want to see or hear the truth especially when it is against their feelings. I think many of the folks that don't get it have not learned from the old school teaching. I learned how our country was created and how many people lost their lived fighting for true freedom. I will stand up tall and continue to express the majorities feeling and not the minority.
GO Sherriff Joe! You can stop me any time and check my LEGAL citizenship. I think that is what we need to go to balance this out. Legal citizens should go and demand the Sherriff to check our papers so this won't be a one sided thing.
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Sunny Surprise I love it. That is putting it very simple.
Maybe by seeing it that way some people might get the idea. But I doubt it. They would have to take the blinders off first. Last edited on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 03:58 pm by GEM127
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I like you thinking RAZ.
Mayor Gordon of Phx says Sheriff Joe ........ You and your deputies come into MY CITY and do the job my police are suppose to be doing. Is there something a little wrong with this picture. Isn't that a shame our Sheriff has to wear the hat of so many people.
Not only does he have to protect and serve the community that depends on his presents, then he has to go into Phx. and do the job of the Phx. Police Department.
He should be paid twice. I vote for giving him and all of his staff a pay raise. DOUBLE HIS SALARY! But not for the staff members who dislike him. They get nothing. And since he is such an evil and conniving person he probably knows who they are.
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I support Joe 100%. How can you not when he is just upholding the laws.
Have you read this definition?
Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting
the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.
Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.
Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house). According to the protesters:
a. You are Required to let me stay in your house
b. You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
c. You are Required to Educate my kids
d. You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.
And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior. Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.
Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?!
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Whoa, just heard on the news tonight that Saban is stepping down to run against Joe Arpaio. His very words were "I will not go after people because of the color of their skin like Sheriff Arpaio". ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? That is what he thinks, seriously?? He doesn't recognize the fact that Arpaio is going after the criminal element that just happens to be here ILLEGALLY??? AND NOBODY ELSE is doing anything about it?
Hey Saban, we aren't in California and we definitely do not live by San Francisco NO rules. We have a really serious problem here and threat. You don't want to go after someone who might look like an illegal alien because of the color of their skin??? God Help Us, we are in big trouble if we get this guy and Obama. We may as well hand over the key to the City and this country because the folks with "that color of skin" will be running things. How about calling them what they are??? ILLEGAL ALIENS coming into our country illegally and commiting crimes. Thanks liberals!!!! Can't wait for the libs to tear down GITMO. Keep up the good work, so brave of you. Now we can all feel safer having this element running free in our country.  Our forefather's are rolling in their graves as we speak.
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GEM127 wrote: You are a real joke. Why should these people in jail have a nice time while they are there. You seem to think that it is a country club for criminals. Right. GEM, I'm sure Arpaio has created a country club there. So what if Sheriff Joe is stepping on other people toes. Boo Wooooo. That's my job and you are doing it for me. Thats OK I still get paid. Maybe if they did the job they were paid to do, then he wouldn't have to do what he is doing. You blame Sheriff Joe for doing a good job, Ummm, you must have me confused...I've never accused Arpaio of doing a good job. you blame him for doing a poor job.
If Sheriff Joe should lose this election which I doubt, but it might happen. Then what if your buddy gets elected and does a piss poor job. You will be bashing him also. So if Saban gets elected, I shouldn't bash him for doing a poor job if that's the case? GEM: I don't want to ridicule you, you're harmless (I hope) but you know, you make no sense. It will be just another thing for you to complain about. You are a Joe basher and there's nothing that will change that.
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You are a real joke. Why should these people in jail have a nice time while they are there. You seem to think that it is a country club for criminals. So what if Sheriff Joe is stepping on other people toes. Boo Wooooo. That's my job and you are doing it for me. Thats OK I still get paid. Maybe if they did the job they were paid to do, then he wouldn't have to do what he is doing. You blame Sheriff Joe for doing a good job, you blame him for doing a poor job.
If Sheriff Joe should lose this election which I doubt, but it might happen. Then what if your buddy gets elected and does a piss poor job. You will be bashing him also. It will be just another thing for you to complain about. You are a Joe basher and there's nothing that will change that.
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Deuce: Correct --Saban will be running against Arpaio and hopefully will win...as Saban said, "We don't need the toughest Sheriff, we need the best"...all the press conferences in the world won't cover up the huge deficit and mismanagement of the office by Arpaio...and his recent 200 Deputy saturation of a Phoenix neighborhood about which he didn't even tell the Phx cops is typical of power gone wild and out of control.
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Deuce: Correct --Saban will be running against Arpaio and hopefully will win...as Saban said, "We don't need the toughest Sheriff, we need the best"...all the press conferences in the world won't cover up the huge deficit and mismanagement of the office by Arpaio...and his recent 200 Deputy saturation of a Phoenix neighborhood about which he didn't even tell the Phx cops is typical of power gone wild and out of control.
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razenkn wrote:
Arguing with ignorance is like chewing on a brick. It is painful and useless.
SR says"
You chew on bricks? What a surprise that is.
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Well thats good, I guess. Anyway you think it is good. And if he should win I just hope he doesn't start acting like a marshmallow type person and letting everyone tell him how to run the office.
I guess we will see what kind of Ba**s he has come election time.
Good Luck.
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GEM127 wrote:
Maybe there is another person who could run this county better then
Sheriff Joe. Tell him or her to go for it at election time. That is why we have an election process, so we can cast our votes for the person we think will do the best job.
That person will in all likelihood be Dan Saban, who will step down as Police Chief of Buckeye August 10th to run for Maricopa County sheriff. He ran against Arpaio for the Republican nomination last time around and lost. He has since changed his party affiliation and will likely be the Democratic candidate.
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RAZ sorry to hear the comments you made were so UN-AMERICAN. My comments most be inhumane, but I don't care. I personally love your words of wisdom and I think that is what REAL AMERICANS think.
With all the GOOD Sheriff Joe does I guess there will always be someone who can find fault with him.
I am glad you didn't sugar coat it for some of the liberals on this site. Just the facts. And as you see by the responses you have hit a sore spot.
I'm sure they are going to beat the dead horse some more, so lets hear it about lawsuits and watching the camera, blah, blah, blah....
Maybe there is another person who could run this county better then
Sheriff Joe. Tell him or her to go for it at election time. That is why we have an election process, so we can cast our votes for the person we think will do the best job.
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Arguing with ignorance is like chewing on a brick. It is painful and useless.
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razenkn wrote:
Don't you just hate it when we're mean to those bad guys?? Ask the victims what they would like have done to them or how about the victims families whose lives they've ruined and/or taken away. Sorry, no sympathy here. Do the crime you damn well better be prepared to do the time with our friend Joe.
Who cares if he has a smug attitude or likes the cameras, as long as the bad guys don't like him that's good enough for me. Joe is as about as straight up AMERICAN as they come. He's the only one who has the guts to do what needs to be done. Jail isn't the Hilton, they don't want them to like it and come back. What a crazy concept that is.
RAZ..put down the kool aide---a lot of these people have not been convicted of anything..it would be you who gets arrested next (wouldn't I love that) for no reason...mistaken identify..no evidence..etc...you apparently assume everyone arrested is guilty..RAZ..you are very, very, very, UNAMERICAN and would be much more at home in a police state run by a fascist...that';s why you loved Bush I suppose lol.
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Nobody is saying someone else couldn't do as well. We don't know because Saban or anyone else you have in mind hasn't been in the job, so we don't know. But, do you really want a Sheriff who bases his decisions upon the possibility of someone bringing forth a lawsuit? Because if that is the type of decision making you want, Phoenix would go to hell in a hand basket in a blink of an eye. The attorneys would love that, I can almost see them salivating at the very idea.
Yeah, let's get a guy in there that will hold the prisoners hands, smile pretty at the camera and say no comment and call his attorney every time he has to make a tough decision. Maybe even call in the Hilton as a consultant, get some pretty silk sheets, designer underwear and trade that green Bologna for some puff pastry. That will scare off those bad guys. 
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What I'd like to know is what makes you think that another person, in this case Dan Saban, couldn't do as effective a job (or better) with more civility, have people who love to work for him because he's ethical and not be afraid to speak up, and all the while demonstrate humility and leadership without being a boastful camera hog? Let me just state this is a mighty big country and I'm sure there are sheriffs who fit that exact bill yet we don't see their mugs plastered all over the place from coast to coast.
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Don't you just hate it when we're mean to those bad guys?? Ask the victims what they would like have done to them or how about the victims families whose lives they've ruined and/or taken away. Sorry, no sympathy here. Do the crime you damn well better be prepared to do the time with our friend Joe.
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