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| That is a scary thought. I will probably have nightmares tonight.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 11:48 pm |
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GEM127 wrote: I guess nobody really cares about the Alternative Lifestyle Community anymore...
Just the opening day parade!!! the 60 yrs olds in their leather clothes having front yard sex parties as the floats go by are just to much to deal with.
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| I guess nobody really cares about the Alternative Lifestyle Community anymore...
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| Yes they would because the town council would stop all construction for that special day! So they will be able to march down the road dressed in their birthday suits and a hat that will symbolize their love for the partner or partners which ever the case my be. And that will show the whole town what Gay Pride is and how they have fun.
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HigherEd wrote: A gay pride parade in Surprise folks? That aint never gonna happen. Surprise isnt that important. That would be like the pope visiting Salt Lake City! Of course it would be nice to see the Dykes on Bikes going down Bell Road on their hogs! LOL
HigherEd you are correct, it will never happen. Only because they would not be able to find a road to go down that isn't in construction mode.
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surprisemotherof2 wrote: cindisue_g wrote: ..... And obviously you have not been to any "straight" bars lately (we use to call them meat markets back in the day) - you better not go, you will have the same kind of experience you have had in the gay bars that you obviously frequent.....
surprisemotherof2, you seem to be really, really scared of something. These folks are not going to take your children or turn them gay. You have nothing to fear that is except for your own intolerance. What are you teaching your children, to be afraid of anyone who is different from them? I thought this kind of thinking went out years and years ago.
Are you comparing a parade of people in broad daylight in public with children in attendance to an adult bar??? Seriuosly??? Why do you have to label me as afraid just because I don't like what they are doing in public at these events??? I don't want my children to see gay people or straight people doing private, sexual things in public places. You do not know me or my children so I would prefer you to not be so personal. As I see it there is behavior that is acceptable or not acceptable in public. It's always the same thing if you speak against homosexuality, people label you as being homophobic, amazing! What about you addressing the behavior that went on today instead of trying to label me?
You brought up the the "gay bar" (your comment: here is even more disgusting sexual behavior in public at these parades and inside/outside of the gay bars), so I guess you have attended a few (I went into one when I was 21 and yes I was taken aback by two men dancing together, but I didn't go back). If you don't want your children to see what people do in their private lives since it seems the norm to do it in public - then I guess they will live a contained life in your home because they will not be able go to school, parks, concerts, the mall or is it acceptable behavior because it is a man and woman or boy and girl.
I labeled you as afraid because you seem to (from what I got from you post) attend these parades (I am guessing to protest) and you can not let other people live their lives. I labeled you afraid because you are only attacking the "gay" community for their sexual escapades in public, but it seems to be okay for the "straight" community. I labeled you afraid because you are only attacking the "gay" community for being anti-God, but not attacking the "straight" community that is anti-God. Not liking something is that you ignore it, being afraid of something is that you want to crush them, protest against them, stop them from living their lives and having some fun in your community or obviously anywhere else - that is being afraid.
If you want to speak out against homosexuality, then do it - don't come on here saying my neighbor is gay and I have gay friends but I just don't like what they do in public and they can't have a community here. Be honest and say I am against the whole thing because it is against what the bible says or it is against how I was raised or whatever reason you have. You have ever right to disagree with what someone does, but for God's sake be honest in why you are doing it. I don't understand why you are wasting your energy on something that is not going to hurt you or your children, unless as I said you are afraid they will take your children or turn them gay.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 03:19 pm |
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| A gay pride parade in Surprise folks? That aint never gonna happen. Surprise isnt that important. That would be like the pope visiting Salt Lake City! Of course it would be nice to see the Dykes on Bikes going down Bell Road on their hogs! LOL
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I still want to know how we went from a community of gay retirees to having gay pride parades right here in Surprise. How did "we" make that leap?
Middle-aged retirees trying to enjoy their golden years with their partners doesn't strike me as the type who will be doing what has been described, and if they do want to do that, I'm guessing they could go to the parade in Phoenix. Why do people think it will be brought here? It's preposterous!
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| The parade is going to be one day a year so let them have there fun. If you think you might be offended by anything that day take a family trip to Flagstaff.
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surprisemotherof2 wrote: Must I repeat myself? I have been to many a mall and yet I have never seen anyone at the mall wearing nothing but a black leather thong walking another person on a leash.
You've stated I don't want my children to see gay people or straight people doing private, sexual things in public places. Were your children in a place where they happened to see the situation you describe above, and if you have sheltered your children as well as you would like from any behavior that does not match your morals, your children would have no reason to interpret this sight as sexual. I predict their reaction would probably be something along the lines of "Mom, why are they doing that?" I'm sure they would find it overwhelmingly bizarre, but there is no sex implied other than the scantily-clad man, which again wouldn't necessarily imply sex to a child brought up the way I'm guessing you'd like yours to be.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 05:35 am |
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Where to shop to see overtly sexual actions? Hmm...Arrowhead Mall or in the area in front of a movie theater on a weekend evening would be a good place to start...again, if you want to see.
Must I repeat myself? I have been to many a mall and yet I have never seen anyone at the mall wearing nothing but a black leather thong walking another person on a leash.
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Quit_complaining_without_the_facts_first wrote: ..... amazes me that you would attend any event like this and then bring your children. You should know that at every protest parade, the worst people in that group show up and normally do not represent the group as a whole.....The only reason I can think of to bring your kids is that you knew that this might happen and they would see it and then believe exactly like you do. God help us
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Wow, you are such a lovely person! There you go accusing people of stuff again---- I didn't and wouldn't bring my children to that event. I said (sarcastically) that some brilliant people brought their children. By the way, are you saying "the worst people in that group show up and normally do not represent the group as a whole. " Interesting! Nope, still don't want gay pride parades in Surprise! Interesting too that you think it's bad for kids to see the behavior at these parades not because it's inappropriate for children but because you don't want them to think badly of that group. Priceless!
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surprisemotherof2 wrote, in part: Are you comparing a parade of people in broad daylight in public with children in attendance to an adult bar??? Seriuosly??? Why do you have to label me as afraid just because I don't like what they are doing in public at these events??? I don't want my children to see gay people or straight people doing private, sexual things in public places.
SMO2, here's the great part about the First Amendment and freedom of speech. You are certainly welcome to wish to avoid a gay parade. You can even make sure you avoid the gay parade. You don't have the right to tell others how they can legally express themselves.
Then you say Have you ever seen the type of stuff that goes on at the parades? Like someone earlier said, you claim to know an amazing level of detail about these parades. You don't want your children to see the kinds of things you claim you see...but do you go look for yourself? It's starting to appear that way.
Where to shop to see overtly sexual actions? Hmm...Arrowhead Mall or in the area in front of a movie theater on a weekend evening would be a good place to start...again, if you want to see.
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cindisue_g wrote: ..... I probably see more sexual acts at the mall or at concerts by teenage kids then you probably saw at the gay parade. ......
Are you serious or just being sarcastic?? Have you ever seen the type of stuff that goes on at the parades? I'm not talking about the small piece that you see in a newsclip, I'm talking about the reality of it. I have been to many a mall and yet I have never seen anyone at the mall wearing nothing but a black leather thong walking another person on a leash. Where is it that you shop?
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There should be laws against people like this surprisemom2, or whatever it is, having children at all. I am constantly amazed at the fact that anybody can have kids but there are many that have no clue how to raise them to be tolerant and accepting of everyones lifestyles and beliefs regardless of what they do.
About getting personal when nobody knows this mom2 or whatever, reading your comments gives me a pretty good idea of what kind of thinking you are capable of and it should be criminal for somebody like you to spread garbage like that to your children.
The problem with all this is that a small minority of ignorant lemmings keeps passing this junk on to their children, thus continuing it onto the next generation to continue to put up with. For somebody who is obviously as intolerant and needs some serious help, it amazes me that you would attend any event like this and then bring your children. You should know that at every protest parade, the worst people in that group show up and normally do not represent the group as a whole.
The only reason I can think of to bring your kids is that you knew that this might happen and they would see it and then believe exactly like you do. God help us if our children might want to have different opinions and/or beliefs then we do. Teaching your children to be carbon copies of yourself is not raising kids. What you need to do is expose them to everything, when appropriate obviously, and let them make their own choices on what they want to think and believe.
You do seem to know an awful lot about gay bars for somebody who I hope would not frequent them otherwise that would be about as hipocritical as one could get. The other responders made good points to. Go to a regular bar, or mall, or just about anywhere in society and you will see people of all ages, heights, weights, colors, religions, races etc.. doing about anything you can imagine. Why don't you let your children see that so at least they would know that everyone is doing it not just homosexuals. Also, I don't think you are homophobic only that it appears that Ripleys believe it or not should do a story on you as I cannot see how it is possible that you are even standing erect. Maybe you need to go back in that cave that you came out of for another million years or maybe you can transport yourself to another dimension where everyone thinks like you do. At least then you might have a chance in $#%$ of anybody wanting to go anywhere near you without first putting on a disguise or paper bag over their head.
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cindisue_g wrote: ..... And obviously you have not been to any "straight" bars lately (we use to call them meat markets back in the day) - you better not go, you will have the same kind of experience you have had in the gay bars that you obviously frequent.....
surprisemotherof2, you seem to be really, really scared of something. These folks are not going to take your children or turn them gay. You have nothing to fear that is except for your own intolerance. What are you teaching your children, to be afraid of anyone who is different from them? I thought this kind of thinking went out years and years ago.
Are you comparing a parade of people in broad daylight in public with children in attendance to an adult bar??? Seriuosly??? Why do you have to label me as afraid just because I don't like what they are doing in public at these events??? I don't want my children to see gay people or straight people doing private, sexual things in public places. You do not know me or my children so I would prefer you to not be so personal. As I see it there is behavior that is acceptable or not acceptable in public. It's always the same thing if you speak against homosexuality, people label you as being homophobic, amazing! What about you addressing the behaviour that went on today instead of trying to label me?
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I saw a little of the parade on tv this evening - there was one particularly heinous float - it had some older gentlemen in jeans and nice shirts just waving at the crowd. Just because they don't believe in God, that is okay, my neighbor is an atheists - he has not tried to corrupt me or any of the other neighbors=don't think they will either. I probably see more sexual acts at the mall or at concerts by teenage kids then you probably saw at the gay parade. And obviously you have not been to any "straight" bars lately (we use to call them meat markets back in the day) - you better not go, you will have the same kind of experience you have had in the gay bars that you obviously frequent. I am assuming that you were one of the protesters, based on your comments.
I don't think anyone is sticking their head in the sand, we are just folks that live by the adage "live and let live". I don't think Phoenix is any worse for wear because they had this parade. If people want to go, good for them. If they don't, good for them as well. surprisemotherof2, you seem to be really, really scared of something. These folks are not going to take your children or turn them gay. And it is okay if they don't have the same beliefs that you have or that I have. You have nothing to fear that is except for your own intolerance. What are you teaching your children, to be afraid of anyone who is different from them? I thought this kind of thinking went out years and years ago.
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SMO2, so you attended this parade? Just curious, why? Plus, what specifics can you provide? Examples: who'd you go with, what was the crowd like, how long did you stay, and anything else you can contribute. This is interesting!
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| The lovely parade today, yup, it was full of gross public acts. Women dressed in body paint, men pulling their pants down, gay people yelling F*** the Bible and offensive things about God, guys similating sex acts on themselves and other guys------ right at the public intersection of 7th St and Indian School, the gay people also threatened the protestors with violence, some brilliant people even had their children attend and watch this behavior too. Are these the type of events you want in Surprise???? People can stick their head in the sand all they want and say people are being imaginative with what really goes on at these events but THIS IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENS AT THESE EVENTS! There is even more disgusting sexual behaviour in public at these parades and inside/outside of the gay bars---- no one is making it up, unfortunately, this is just what happens! That is why there are so many upset people in this city at this.
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I still will call it an Alternative Lifestyle Community.
And yes Pull - Up those pants
Very good comment, I like it. But after saying it their some people on here who will still have something negative to add.
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While we are at it, lets protest against people who drive SUV's - that is a lifestyle choice and they use up too much gas. How about people that dye their hair, again a lifestyle choice and some of the dye jobs I have seen in Surprise are abominable. How about we protest against everyone who is overweight, that's a lifestyle choice and they use up too much room...I can go on and on, but do you see how stupid it sounds.
I certainly hope that if you do a protest or have a straight parade as you call, every television stations in the world films it, just so everyone will see just how narrow minded you are and stupid this kind of action is. You are all up in arms with something that has not happened yet. You are making assumptions on how the residents of this community would act. You should be more concerned with what the economy is going to do to the value of your home and your style of living. You should be more concerned about the child molester down the street. You should be more concerned with how the rising crime rate in Surprise is going to affect you. You should be more concerned about how you can be a good citizen and how you can be a benefit to society, not a liability.
I wonder what in the world you are teaching your children and grandchildren. What you should be teaching them is that they should be tolerant of all, no matter if they agree or don't agree with their lifestyle, race, religion, etc.
Bottom line should be: who cares if they want a community all to them selves, if you don't like it, drive around. They aren't going to bother you; many of you have said it, they want to be alone.
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It is amazing that so many people are still ignorant enough to spend their spare time that they should be spending with their families or doing something else productive with their lives instead of complaining about whether or not homosexuals can live in our City.
Believe me it is a fight not worth fighting. When the NAACP is trying to call it discrimination to make kids pull their pants up at school so there behind does not show, then it is obvious that our society has gone to pot really quick. Pull up your stinkin pants. What is soo hard about that. NAACP needs to protect that from what.
No doubt about it the next book I am going to buy is the understanding the ever so complex language spoken by our current president. Now there is an issue worth talking about just for the hilarity of it. You want something to complain about, then complain about something that you can actually back up with facts. Complaints are useless when they are baseless.
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deuce wrote:
Is it real true that we'll get to vote on whether to allow a gay-oriented retirement community in Surprise? If that's not so, we can mount a campaign to dissuade them from coming here. How about a straight rally and an email campaign to tell them they're are unwanted?
I say we rally against them and show them that we only want straight people living here. We can make - up signs to show them what we think of the idea of them coming to Surprise. I know maybe we could get a law passed against all gay communities in Surprise.
And I am sorry for being PC but for now on I will call it like I see it. No more Alternative Lifestyle Community. It will be a Fag and Lesbo neighborhood.
But they will still have the nicest yards in town.  
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Is it real true that we'll get to vote on whether to allow a gay-oriented retirement community in Surprise? If that's not so, we can mount a campaign to dissuade them from coming here. How about a straight rally and an email campaign to tell them they're are unwanted?
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Careful, you are going to lay an egg there Luci. Sorry, you can't pin that one on me. I have not one time on here or anywhere ever stated I "hated" Gays, or thought they were evil, or anything of the kind because I don't care. My position on this issue has been consistently not wanting a "sexual orientated" based community in Surprise. Period end. Whether it be "gay" or "straight" or any of the other sexual orientations. I have said a bazillion times that I don't care what they do in the privacy of their homes, it's nobody's business.
Yes, I did speak to the clowns who march in the Gay Pride parades and I will stand by that. It's fairly hard not to paint them with the same brush, they are just a bunch of fools who I agree with someone on here that said they give Gays a bad name.
Hey Raz, I actually understand where you are coming from and I believe in your right to voice your opinion and concern for this community. My issue still remains the same too as to why any decent American would think that its ok to deny their fellow countrymen the right to build or choose to live where they want.
My other concern is for those who thought when they bought into Surprise that it was a family community. This would not be the Surprise I saw when I moved here 10 years ago from Phoenix. Today Surprise is multiple communities made up to form the city of Surprise. I checked out many different areas to see which I like best for views, value and schools. Not much back then but they all offered something a bit different. If you are going to remain only a family community the all plans for expansion need to be scrapped and the city reduced back to a sqaure mile to maintain that small vision.
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Sunny Surprise wrote in part:
I just can't understand why a builder would develope an area just for gays.
Simple, the developers see a market for such a community and there's a profit to be made. It's strictly a business proposition.
I'm sure it won't work because you can't stop anyone from buying a home related to their sexual preference, gender, race, religion or ethnicity. You're right. According to the publicity, anyone can purchase a home in the community . . . gay or straight.
Can't understand why the City Council wants to go here anyway. Maybe they don't have any real choice. On what basis can you restrict gay retirement communities from locating in Surprise? A city ordinance? I don't think so!
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GEM127 wrote: ... I just can't understand what the problem is all about with a Alternative Lifestyle Community in Surprise.
Yes for me there is a lot of hatred with a lot of different types of people but I am not a gay basher. They don't bother me in the least. I can't recall any time in my life when one came on to me and wanted to have their way with me and tried convert me over to their side.
I mean we could really cool people living there like Sir Elton John, Freddie Mercury (passed on), Rock Hudson (passed on), Ziegfred and Roy, Rosie O'Donell, Ellen Degeneres
It's nobodies business but the home owners in that Alternative Lifestyle Community!
I disagree with it not being the city's business on what goes in to our city. I remember when someone tried to put an adult toy store in Peoria and Peoria shot it down. Please don't start using stuff like Alternative Lifestyle Community, it's a gay community. Don't dress it up to try to make it sound all frufru. No, they don't want people who are not gay there because they would just live with everyone else like they are currently doing. They want to be away from us and are trying to justify it by saying we're homophobic by us not wanting it there. Well maybe they're heterophobic by wanting to be away from us!
If Rosie O'Donnell or Ellen Degeneres wants to move in next door to me that's fine. But I don't think they should be exclusive from me because of their sexual preference. However, if Rock Hudson wants to move next door to me, I'm getting out of town!
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RAZ
I think you are probably on the border of someone calling the PC Police for that statement but that's OK with me.
I just can't understand what the problem is all about with a Alternative Lifestyle Community in Surprise.
Yes for me there is a lot of hatred with a lot of different types of people but I am not a gay basher. They don't bother me in the least. I can't recall any time in my life when one came on to me and wanted to have their way with me and tried convert me over to their side.
I mean we could really cool people living there like Sir Elton John, Freddie Mercury (passed on), Rock Hudson (passed on), Ziegfred and Roy, Rosie O'Donell, Ellen Degeneres
It's nobodies business but the home owners in that Alternative Lifestyle Community!
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Careful, you are going to lay an egg there Luci. Sorry, you can't pin that one on me. I have not one time on here or anywhere ever stated I "hated" Gays, or thought they were evil, or anything of the kind because I don't care. My position on this issue has been consistently not wanting a "sexual orientated" based community in Surprise. Period end. Whether it be "gay" or "straight" or any of the other sexual orientations. I have said a bazillion times that I don't care what they do in the privacy of their homes, it's nobody's business.
Yes, I did speak to the clowns who march in the Gay Pride parades and I will stand by that. It's fairly hard not to paint them with the same brush, they are just a bunch of fools who I agree with someone on here that said they give Gays a bad name.
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MrsF wrote: What makes you think you have any right to tell these people they shouldn't be allowed based on a behavior they do that you object to? When did you receive the authority to be the morality police of our fair city? Why do your values get to supercede theirs?
I just don't understand some conservatives who cry "Freedom" - that is, until someone else's freedom interferes with their "good taste". If you support true freedom, you have to allow even those who disagree with you to have the very same freedom you value.
I think it's comical that you jumped on the bandwagon of talking about what happens at gay pride parades and all the horrible things that will happen to our fair city, yet in another thread where Mormonism was brought up, this is what you had to say about someone who doesn't like Mormons because of their experiences with them:
Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 08:39 pm Under: Real The Real Barack Hussein Obama Please Stand Up
"It is shameful to paint every Mormon with such a hatelful brush. I have a 72 year old aunt that thinks like that, she can't walk by George Bush's picture on TV or Tiger Woods without shuddering and saying something derogatory, but we overlook her ignorance and chalk it up to her generation that didn't know better, are you from that generation? Nobody in my family takes her seriously. She too judges everyone with the same brush and we laugh about it behind her back."
You are officially the pot calling the kettle black, aren't you?
OMG, I am in love with MrsF!!!!! Oh wait that might make this a hetero blog or could be sexual in nature. I take that back... You are a wonderfully elegant writer (typer) and oh so to the point...
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Sunny Surprise wrote: Whats next for local communities.
How about an all Italian community
Or an Irish Community
Or a only Born Again Christians Community
How about ?????????
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Communities like these already exist. While most ethnic communities have gone, the only major ones around are your latino and asian commnties that are still predominately specific. Religious communities on the other hand are still large in number and prevalent throughout the US and the world starting with the Granddaddy of them all the Vatican. As for the US look at Utah, they have come a long way unlike before. Arizona's Colorado City. Waco, Texas. Lancaster, PA... Go Amish you rock! Not that they will ever read it...
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Raz,
Your last post states a clear and valid fear, fear of restricted speech. However, the kind of restriction you support is just as scary. That is one in which every American citizen does not necessarily have a right to live where they want to, without being disallowed by their race, creed, color, sexual orientation, age, or other factors because you disagree with their lifestyle. What makes you think you even have a RIGHT to protest this community being built?
The developer buys the land, creates a concept, markets the clientele, and sells residential property. At what point do you think you have a right to jump in and claim that "they" shouldn't be here? The seniors couldn't do it with the young folks coming to Surprise. You can't even keep a registered sex offender out of your neighborhood. You aren't even allowed to harrass him/her. What makes you think you have any right to tell these people they shouldn't be allowed based on a behavior they do that you object to? When did you receive the authority to be the morality police of our fair city? Why do your values get to supercede theirs?
I just don't understand some conservatives who cry "Freedom" - that is, until someone else's freedom interferes with their "good taste". If you support true freedom, you have to allow even those who disagree with you to have the very same freedom you value.
I think it's comical that you jumped on the bandwagon of talking about what happens at gay pride parades and all the horrible things that will happen to our fair city, yet in another thread where Mormonism was brought up, this is what you had to say about someone who doesn't like Mormons because of their experiences with them:
Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 08:39 pm Under: Real The Real Barack Hussein Obama Please Stand Up
"It is shameful to paint every Mormon with such a hatelful brush. I have a 72 year old aunt that thinks like that, she can't walk by George Bush's picture on TV or Tiger Woods without shuddering and saying something derogatory, but we overlook her ignorance and chalk it up to her generation that didn't know better, are you from that generation? Nobody in my family takes her seriously. She too judges everyone with the same brush and we laugh about it behind her back."
You are officially the pot calling the kettle black, aren't you?
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To those opposed to Marigold:
I don't foresee a lot of "gay pride" type events occurring even if this community does well. After all, the people who attend gay pride parades are usually the young, outspoken, "flamboyant" ones. They are the ones who give many gays a bad name, actually.
I'm thinking that if there's a community of 50 or 60 something retirees who happen to be gay and enjoying being able to walk through their neighborhood without people questioning them or wondering about them, or harrassing them, then I say why not?
I'm guessing that some of the people in the target market might even be lonely because if they are in their 40's or 50's, they probably got married, had kids, and realized they were gay later in life. Now, they were probably ostracised from their family and only have their partner to share the rest of their life with. Or, they got married, had kids and came out and their families accepted them but their neighbors didn't.
I think we are missing out on some gentle people who probably have some good money to spend here (for some of them may have been gay and child free all along and as a result have more money. Think about it, two men, making good money, sharing expenses - Their costs are low and they have money to spend because they aren't taking care of families.)
What makes you so sure these retirees are going to be partaking in the deviant behavior you describe?
Regardless of all of the above arguments, we are in a capitalist society and if you value your freedom, you will value this community's right to target their market as they see fit. I'm sure straight people are welcome as well, so I don't think they are discriminating by creating a target market any more than Neiman Marcus is discriminating against poor or middle class people by targeting their market to an upscale one. Octane bar targets its market to bikers. If a man in a suit walked in, I'm sure they'd serve him, but he can't expect to walk in there and demand they change their atmosphere for him. Same goes in this neighborhood. Go in knowing what to expect.
For those of you who worry about "gays and their deviant behavior" it sounds like if you think this community is going to bring that then you should be glad they will try to contain it in this community. I don't think they plan to bring that sort of thing. I don't see their cabaret nightclub as being a place for the deviant sexual behavior that occurs in porta pottys. Some people in here have very active imaginations!
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 02:40 am |
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SS wrote...
Can't understand why the City Council wants to go here anyway.
Maybe they want the national news and attention?
I haven't heard that anyone on the Council wants to "go here". I believe the Mayor said he was a huge fan of upscale resort style communities, that has nothing to do with the fact they are Gay. He also said that Surprise is about tearing down walls, not putting them up which is exactly what inviting a Gay community into Surprise would be doing, putting up walls. Not speaking for the Mayor or council, but that is how I read it. However, we all know from this blog that one has to be very, very careful how we word things or the PC Police will jump out and accuse you of being "homophobe." So, my guess is they won't really say anything. I'm not sure they can without getting beat up by someone. That is where our liberal society has taken us. Restricted speech.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 02:35 am |
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dwig222 wrote: Until you can get past the fact that a gay community is not all about sex, you will never be able to discuss this topic with some of us. These are people. Many of them do not even have partners or lovers. They are just looking for a place to live where they can enjoy the company of other people with the same interests. To compare them to the Klu Klux Klan is just bizzare!!!!!
Who did that?
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Sunny Surprise wrote: I thought segragation ended in the 60's.
Now it seem that is in vogue and no long bad.
What would the sign say entering the new community.
GAYS ONLY or the rest of you get lost?
What happens if they have children? Will they want a school just for their kids?
Whats next for local communities.
How about an all Italian community
Or an Irish Community
Or a only Born Again Christians Community
How about ?????????
I just can't understand why a builder would develope an area just for gays.
I'm sure it won't work because you can't stop anyone from buying a home related to their sexual preference, gender, race, religion or ethnicity. Will someone tell us the law here.
Can't understand why the City Council wants to go here anyway.
Maybe they want the national news and attention?
I want a sign like this at the new City Hall.
It is a retirement community. It is not ONLY for gay people. It is just going to be geared towards the interests of gay people. If you are straight and want to join them you will be welcome with open arms I am sure. I have several gay friends and I have a great time with them.
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surprisemotherof2 wrote: If I say I don't want a strip club next to my children's school, does that make me a stripaphobic? What's fear of having a race track next to your house----fastautophobic???
A strip club and a race track are public places. A home where a retired gay person lives is totally different. Unless your children are going become "peeping toms" I don't think they will be corrupted by this community.
I know it is not politically correct to be homophobic in this society. But if you are, you are. You are not in the minority. Don't insult my intelligence by saying that you are not homophobic and then compare them to the KKK.
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I thought segragation ended in the 60's.
Now it seem that is in vogue and no long bad.
What would the sign say entering the new community.
GAYS ONLY or the rest of you get lost?
What happens if they have children? Will they want a school just for their kids?
Whats next for local communities.
How about an all Italian community
Or an Irish Community
Or a only Born Again Christians Community
How about ?????????
I just can't understand why a builder would develope an area just for gays.
I'm sure it won't work because you can't stop anyone from buying a home related to their sexual preference, gender, race, religion or ethnicity. Will someone tell us the law here.
Can't understand why the City Council wants to go here anyway.
Maybe they want the national news and attention?
I want a sign like this at the new City Hall.
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dwig222 wrote: ...But you are fearing the worst when you say they will be having parades in the streets with sexual deviant behavior. If you are not busy this weekend go downtown to the 12th Annual Gay Pride parade in Phoenix. It's not so bad. No one will be arrested for anything immoral or indecent. Just a bunch of people having fun their way. Let them be....
Townhall.com::Folsom Street Fair Reminds U.S. of What “Gay Pride ...
I believe this article says it all when it comes to gay pride events. Just remember dwig, you were the one who said these events are just people having fun.
If I say I don't want a strip club next to my children's school, does that make me a stripaphobic? What's fear of having a race track next to your house----fastautophobic???
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| Until you can get past the fact that a gay community is not all about sex, you will never be able to discuss this topic with some of us. These are people. Many of them do not even have partners or lovers. They are just looking for a place to live where they can enjoy the company of other people with the same interests. To compare them to the Klu Klux Klan is just bizzare!!!!!
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 01:02 am |
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dwig222 wrote: ...You are a homophobic person and I admire you for admitting it. But you are fearing the worst when you say they will be having parades in the streets with sexual deviant behavior. If you are not busy this weekend go downtown to the 12th Annual Gay Pride parade in Phoenix. It's not so bad. No one will be arrested for anything immoral or indecent. Just a bunch of people having fun their way. Let them be....
What a surprise that you started calling me names because I didn't side with you. I am not a homophobic just because I don't want a gay community in my neighborhood.
The Gay Pride Parade in Phx. I know all about it. I hope people on this website who are unfamiliar with what really happens there attend so they can see for themselves before they start telling others how wonderful it is. Let's see: The parade will have men dressed in leather thongs with a chain around their neck attached to other men and others dry humping them on the float. There will be barely dressed, slicked down men with oil using traffic cones to pretend hump men. What about the lovely port a johns? Oh yeah, they'll knock on the door and go in with other men and come back out five minutes or so later. No, I don't want that behavior in my little Surprise. If any of you don't believe me, then please go to the celebrations during and after the parade (especially after the alcohol gets flowing) and see for yourself what a wonderful moral event it is. Do you feel comfortable bringing your kids to such an event?
And for your information, I don't feel these events represent all (or even the majority) of gay people. But it will be the events that represent the mass of a community.
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Have you ever noticed that a typical liberal reaction to dissent is to label the dissenter with a hot-button moniker, therefore hoping to diminish their importance (but it rarely works).
So SM4 doesn't agree with your opinion Dwig that we should have a self promoting sexual oriented community in Surprise, how does that automatically make her a "homophobe"? What a load of bunkum. There are way more out there in society that have no issue with the Gay community than do, but I fully believe that NONE of us want to know what another person's sexual preference is unless we are hitting on them, then it would be good to know.
As far as comparing ethnic groups with Gays, that too is a load of bunkum. We aren't speaking about ethnicity, or religious sects (sects not sex) or a specific group that has banded together because they all hate cherry pie. We are talking about a sexual orientation group. Why do you folks have such a hard time admitting that it is what it is? It's okay to say that isn't it? Maybe I better call our local PC group and make sure, wouldn't want to offend anyone on here.
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| Philadelphia for me.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 12:40 am |
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GEM127 wrote:
I think we need to go back to the old days when everyone lived with their own kind. I vote for an Irish, Italian and German communities to start up next.
Gem, I remember that. I grew up in Chicago in the 50's and there was a neighborhood for everyone. The German neighborhood, the Italian neighborhood, the Chinese neighborhood, etc.
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COOL fighting over a gay community. That is so funny. I mean come on does it really effect you in any way, shape or form that you would fight over it?
I think we need to go back to the old days when everyone lived with their own kind. I vote for an Irish, Italian and German communities to start up next.
And then we could do everyone a favor and start an ILLEGAL ALIEN community and then when they move in we can have to deported by Sheriff Joe and the Boys.
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