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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:47 pm |
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No, President Bush did not name anyone in particular. He just made a general statement. If the shoe fits.........and apparently it did since Obama's camp came out crying unfair as did his buddies, Nancy and Joe Biden (does anyone really care what Joe Biden thinks about anything?) The statement would cover a lot of territory including those in Europe who are scared to death of these people and do appease them on a regular basis. You know, can't show a cartoon or even utter the name Muhammed for fear of apprisal but they can trash the Catholic Church and Christianity.
So my take is this was a blanket statement and again, if the shoe fits......otherwise why would you be upset?  I wish he would do more of this, that has been his problem - he always takes the high road.
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Great response Cindisue. You are right, there is no way he can pay for everything except by raising taxes. Again, the dems want is bigger goverment so that they can reach deeper into our pockets. How about cleaning up things here like the welfare rolls and get the people off who are not deserving, that work the system to the hilt while others can't get anything. How about changing the way medical procedures are charged instead of thinking about socialized medicine. How about getting rid of laws that are so antiquated that just mire up the system. There is alot of work to be done here. I am all for helping out other countries when we are apprecitated but the countries that burn our flag, spit in our face, they would not get one red penny. I know that there may be some innocent people in those countries but it is time that they learn to stand up for themselves, we cannot be the savior of the world if people are not willing to step up and help themselves. That may seem cold, but it is reality. I for one am real tired of the moral police showing pictures of starving people just to get more money. That money could be used here to solve our own problems. It is not that I don't feel sorry for starving people and children, but we send aid, we teach them how to farm, we teach them about birth control, we give them medicine that we don't even provide for our own, and what do they do, BURN OUR FLAG and SPIT IN OUR FACE. I am an American, I am proud to be an American, but our foreing policy sucks if it means that we continue to be terrorized, and DEMS think that we should run away. I want my country to be safe to sleep in at night without the fear that someone will come into my home and rape and pillage just because they can.
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Don't you just have to laugh? That dumb ole "Bush" just sent the entire liberal party into a complete tailspin today. And all he had to do is speak the truth. The guilty came out like flies. Oh so indignant.  Whatever does he mean, who could he possibly be speaking to? All Obama had to do is come out and say, you know what, he's right I couldn't agree more. We should never appease terrotrists, Instead he came out on the defensive and screaming foul play sounding very guilty and very, very telling. So did the rest of the Dems, guilty as charged I would say.
Wow, I only hope I can be as "dumb" as President Bush when I grow up. Now you see why I love this guy, dumb like a fox.  
Raz, didn't see the speech, did Bush name Obama?
I did go to Obama's website and it said the following:
Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.
Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead. And if America is willing to come to the table, the world will be more willing to rally behind American leadership to deal with challenges like terrorism, and Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs.
Now, the items I put in red definitely seem like negotiating to me, oh sorry it's all red.
Also noticed that he is going double our foreign aid to $50 billion to fight poverty in the world's weakest states. (1) How about fighting poverty in the United States first and (2) I realize the Democrats are tax and spend and tax and spend and tax and spend, but how is he going to pay for everything he is promising?
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 01:54 pm |
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razenkn wrote:
Don't you just have to laugh? That dumb ole "Bush" just sent the entire liberal party into a complete tailspin today. And all he had to do is speak the truth. The guilty came out like flies. Oh so indignant. Whatever does he mean, who could he possibly be speaking to? All Obama had to do is come out and say, you know what, he's right I couldn't agree more. We should never appease terrotrists, Instead he came out on the defensive and screaming foul play sounding very guilty and very, very telling. So did the rest of the Dems, guilty as charged I would say.
Wow, I only hope I can be as "dumb" as President Bush when I grow up. Now you see why I love this guy, dumb like a fox.
Raz, didn't see the speech, did Bush name Obama?
I did go to Obama's website and it said the following:
Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.
Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead. And if America is willing to come to the table, the world will be more willing to rally behind American leadership to deal with challenges like terrorism, and Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs.
Now, the items I put in red definitely seem like negotiating to me, oh sorry it's all red.
Also noticed that he is going double our foreign aid to $50 billion to fight poverty in the world's weakest states. (1) How about fighting poverty in the United States first and (2) I realize the Democrats are tax and spend and tax and spend and tax and spend, but how is he going to pay for everything he is promising?
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 03:15 am |
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Don't you just have to laugh? That dumb ole "Bush" just sent the entire liberal party into a complete tailspin today. And all he had to do is speak the truth. The guilty came out like flies. Oh so indignant. Whatever does he mean, who could he possibly be speaking to? All Obama had to do is come out and say, you know what, he's right I couldn't agree more. We should never appease terrotrists, Instead he came out on the defensive and screaming foul play sounding very guilty and very, very telling. So did the rest of the Dems, guilty as charged I would say.
Wow, I only hope I can be as "dumb" as President Bush when I grow up. Now you see why I love this guy, dumb like a fox.
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GEM127 wrote: All Republicans have the right to Flip - Flop, it says so in the Constitution. All you have to do is read the fine print.
And now that I have said that; Does the HEAD Republican really believe if he stops the federal gas tax for the summer months, that the gas companies will really lower their the prices.
I think the gas companies will not only increase their prices by what the feds take off, but will never give up that money after the summer months are over.
I guess he feels threatened by the Democrats getting in office and wants to reward the oil companies one more time before he leaves office.
GEM. of course, Bush is dumb enuf to believe it. The limit of the President's stupidity is boundless. So, Bush, McCain, Hillary all advocated for it...the only candidate with the intergity not to support this gimmick is, Barack Obama. Everyday, I like him more.
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sometimes rational wrote: r
That isn't what I asked you though this past three times, I asked what you will do since you are a McCain lover (hard to believe that SR wants anything to do with you) but you are also a Mitt Romney Mormon hater, what will you do? If you don't want to answer just say so, but I am genuinely curious. I think that is an unusual position to be in.
OK/ I like and respect Mama because she is analytical, good humored, and opened minded...so the difficulty you speculated, RAZ, that I would have in getting along with Mama is as wrong as the majority of your other observations....and, RAZ, you still don't get it..Mama explained she doesn't see things just in terms of black and white..so the label of 'hater' that you apply to her is typical of a viewpoint that doesn't see grey at all.
And, off course, your point of view always acknowledges shades of grey.
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That isn't what I asked you though this past three times, I asked what you will do since you are a McCain lover (hard to believe that SR wants anything to do with you) but you are also a Mitt Romney Mormon hater, what will you do? If you don't want to answer just say so, but I am genuinely curious. I think that is an unusual position to be in.
OK/ I like and respect Mama because she is analytical, good humored, and opened minded...so the difficulty you speculated, RAZ, that I would have in getting along with Mama is as wrong as the majority of your other observations....and, RAZ, you still don't get it..Mama explained she doesn't see things just in terms of black and white..so the label of 'hater' that you apply to her is typical of a viewpoint that doesn't see grey at all.
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I just got through saying I still think McCain is too old, but that won't keep him from winning the Oval Office. No flip flop, what are you talking about? I think it is really sweet how you and SR have bonded here lately, kind of nice. But seriously, this is a real dilemma, what would you do if Mitt gets the nod from McCain and you hate him mainly because he is a Morman, but it might happen. I actually hope it does. But I like Mitt, you hate Mitt, so what will you do?
You don't have to answer, but I am genuinely interested, I don't know what I would do if I were in that spot.
Mama--RAZ is doing double flips these days lol...no, RAZ, hon...you first said MCain was too old to be President...then you just said he was old and you didn't say, too old to be President...and don't tell us there is no difference between the two.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:36 am |
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GEM127 wrote: All Republicans have the right to Flip - Flop, it says so in the Constitution. All you have to do is read the fine print.
And now that I have said that; Does the HEAD Republican really believe if he stops the federal gas tax for the summer months, that the gas companies will really lower their the prices. Off course not! Why should they or want to?
I think the gas companies will not only increase their prices by what the feds take off, but will never give up that money after the summer months are over. Dead wrong!
I guess he feels threatened by the Democrats getting in office and wants to reward the oil companies one more time before he leaves office.
The only thing that will change is that more gas will be consumed because of the lower price. Go figure.
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All Republicans have the right to Flip - Flop, it says so in the Constitution. All you have to do is read the fine print.
And now that I have said that; Does the HEAD Republican really believe if he stops the federal gas tax for the summer months, that the gas companies will really lower their the prices.
I think the gas companies will not only increase their prices by what the feds take off, but will never give up that money after the summer months are over.
I guess he feels threatened by the Democrats getting in office and wants to reward the oil companies one more time before he leaves office.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:42 am |
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Mamazoyd wrote: Raz said in part:
You don't have to answer, but I am genuinely interested, I don't know what I would do if I were in that spot.
Sure you know, you'd vote for Hillary -- You said so!
I don't think Hillary is going to be an option, but you never know. Never discount the Hill and Bill political machine, they were able to obliterate the war hero Bush 41.
That isn't what I asked you though this past three times, I asked what you will do since you are a McCain lover (hard to believe that SR wants anything to do with you) but you are also a Mitt Romney Mormon hater, what will you do? If you don't want to answer just say so, but I am genuinely curious. I think that is an unusual position to be in.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:28 am |
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Raz said in part:
You don't have to answer, but I am genuinely interested, I don't know what I would do if I were in that spot.
Sure you know, you'd vote for Hillary -- You said so!
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 02:26 am |
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I just got through saying I still think McCain is too old, but that won't keep him from winning the Oval Office. No flip flop, what are you talking about? I think it is really sweet how you and SR have bonded here lately, kind of nice. But seriously, this is a real dilemma, what would you do if Mitt gets the nod from McCain and you hate him mainly because he is a Morman, but it might happen. I actually hope it does. But I like Mitt, you hate Mitt, so what will you do?
You don't have to answer, but I am genuinely interested, I don't know what I would do if I were in that spot.
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Oh sure you know raz. You're the one who said if McCain got the nod, you'd vote for Hillary. And yes, SR was right. You did say McCain was too old -- I just thought I'd see if anyone else noticed the "flip-flop."
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Well, I didn't say they didn't like me, I think they do. But they don't always agree with me, can you believe that??? 
But seriously, what will you do if McCain decides to select Mitt Romney as his running mate since you really hate this guy. That's a tough position to be in. I'm not sure what I would do.
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Do your relatives not like you?
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Can't say that I blame you Mama. I have some relatives that would say that too. Just out of curiousity, what will you do if McCain chooses Mitt Romeny as his running mate, not vote for him?
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Oh Lordy no SR, that would probably send me scurrying to the other side!
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I think that in view of a libertarian candidate for pres. to appeal to the far right the GOP will want someone less folksy than Huckaberry...thinking someone in an obscure postion who scowls a lot. Someone who who shows blind loyalty to their party to offset MCain's frequent position changes..someone like, RAZ?
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Thank God this guy believes Huckabee would make a better VP than the EEEEVIL Morman Man. Whew! That will make a difference.
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I hope he does pick Huckabee. No one exposed much about Huckabee in the primary because he didn't have a chance. He's a real character.
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Source: Huckabee Tops McCain's Veep List By James PethokoukisMon May 12, 3:20 PM ET
Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas and defeated contender for the GOP presidential nomination, is currently at the top of John McCain's short list for a running mate. At least that's the word from a top McCain fundraiser and longtime Republican moneyman who has spoken to McCain's inner circle. The fundraiser is less than thrilled with the idea of Huckabee as the vice presidential nominee, and many economic conservatives--turned off by the populist tone of Huckabee's campaign and his tax record as governor--are likely to share that marked lack of enthusiasm. But here is the logic of picking Huckabee:
1) He is a great campaigner and communicator who could both shore up support in the South among social conservatives (Huckabee is a former Baptist minister) and appeal to working-class voters in the critical "Big 10" states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio.
2) As any pollster knows, voters search for candidates who "care about people like me," and Huckabee would probably score a lot higher on that quality than millionaire investor Mitt Romney. Plus, given all the turmoil on Wall Street, 2008 would seem to be a bad year to pick a former investment banker for veep.
3) Economic conservatives and supply-siders may balk, but the threat of four years of Obamanomics and higher investment, income, and corporate taxes might be enough to keep them on board.
Let me add that a top Republican political strategist told me about a month ago that he also believed Huckabee to be the leading veep contender.
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Hey dwig, for whatever reason you appear to be at a loss for words, but how about using your own posts to reply to those you want to fight with and leave me out of it. I have enough of my own battles with out getting involved in yours. Thanks.
Not fighting with anyone where did you get that idea? Just agreeing with your post with examples. I thought that was what floats your boat.
Did I miss a page in the rule book that outlines when we can quote someone and when we cant?
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Not sure where to put this but figured this was as good a thread as any. Received today in e-mail.
Physics Discovery
New 'inert' element
The online science magazine Tomorrow's Discoveries, which specializes in breaking major science news before it actually happens, reports the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron, 29 assistant neutrons, some 100 deputy neutrons and 222 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 352.
These 352 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however , it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second to take from four days to four years to complete.
Governmentium has a normal half life of four or five years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the various 'flavors' of neutrons exchange places amongst themselves. In fact, Governmentium will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe the Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as a critical morass. When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Superscale Civilservicium, an elusive element that radiates just as much negative energy as Governmentium, having fewer peons but twice as many morons. (The Sunshine Coast Times, p 2, April 30, 2008 issue)
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Hey dwig, for whatever reason you appear to be at a loss for words, but how about using your own posts to reply to those you want to fight with and leave me out of it. I have enough of my own battles with out getting involved in yours. Thanks.
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ninuchy2 wrote: dwig222 wrote:
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I think there are an overwhelming amount of people who have lost their capabilities to show dignity, honor and respect. They get so mired in their political haze they forget the manners they were taught when they were young and now unfortunately they are passing that behavior onto their children. Disagreement is fair, but unmitigated disrespect and bitter hatred is unacceptable and almost a sickness.
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What planet are you from. Since when is the perception that he is America's hero. Where did that come from. How is he our hero. Is it because he has a knack to speak, and can only speak about change but never tells us how he is going to change it and how much it is going to cost us. How does that make him America's Hero. I wish I had some of the meds that you are on.
Boy you really take the cake DWIG, you of all people should not be quoting statements like razenkn wrote, you have been the crudest, rudest, nasty person on this site and now all of a sudden you are trying to place nice. Like I said before, I would like to have some of the meds you are on because obviously you have a dual personality. Which one are we to believe. 
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Boy you really take the cake DWIG, you of all people should not be quoting statements like razenkn wrote, you have been the crudest, rudest, nasty person on this site and now all of a sudden you are trying to place nice. Like I said before, I would like to have some of the meds you are on because obviously you have a dual personality. Which one are we to believe.
dwig222 wrote:
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I think there are an overwhelming amount of people who have lost their capabilities to show dignity, honor and respect. They get so mired in their political haze they forget the manners they were taught when they were young and now unfortunately they are passing that behavior onto their children. Disagreement is fair, but unmitigated disrespect and bitter hatred is unacceptable and almost a sickness.
Ninuchy2 writes:
What planet are you from. Since when is the perception that he is America's hero. Where did that come from. How is he our hero. Is it because he has a knack to speak, and can only speak about change but never tells us how he is going to change it and how much it is going to cost us. How does that make him America's Hero. I wish I had some of the meds that you are on.
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razenkn wrote:
I think there are an overwhelming amount of people who have lost their capabilities to show dignity, honor and respect. They get so mired in their political haze they forget the manners they were taught when they were young and now unfortunately they are passing that behavior onto their children. Disagreement is fair, but unmitigated disrespect and bitter hatred is unacceptable and almost a sickness.
Ninuchy2 writes:
What planet are you from. Since when is the perception that he is America's hero. Where did that come from. How is he our hero. Is it because he has a knack to speak, and can only speak about change but never tells us how he is going to change it and how much it is going to cost us. How does that make him America's Hero. I wish I had some of the meds that you are on.
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What planet are you from. Since when is the perception that he is America's hero. Where did that come from. How is he our hero. Is it because he has a knack to speak, and can only speak about change but never tells us how he is going to change it and how much it is going to cost us. How does that make him America's Hero. I wish I had some of the meds that you are on.
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Can one of you republicans answer this: Why do you think the perception of Obama being America's hero, despite all the negative press, is what it is?
Of course I'm talking about millions of Democrats and many Republicans.
Where did everyone go. No one can answer this question honestly? I guess you can't handle the truth.
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dwig222 wrote:
Can one of you republicans answer this: Why do you think the perception of Obama being America's hero, despite all the negative press, is what it is?
Of course I'm talking about millions of Democrats and many Republicans.
Where did everyone go. No one can answer this question honestly? I guess you can't handle the truth.
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Now that is said.
We went into Iraq after Bin Lauden, in the first place. There are and never were any wmd there. It was just a way for the U.S.A. to gain control of the man we put there to control.
And were is Bin Lauden today???????
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This is for the men and women who served
http://g.dwgsee.com/wake/index.htm
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 01:30 am |
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azsu wrote: I can answer that dwig and I am not a republican...people are so disgusted with what has happened in the last 7 1/2 years, they are willing to swallow anything...in this case it is kool-aid
The non republicans can answer that. It's a no brainer. But I'm challenging one of the Republicans to answer it. And, I hope we don't get a second grade answer like "those people are dumb".
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| I can answer that dwig and I am not a republican...people are so disgusted with what has happened in the last 7 1/2 years, they are willing to swallow anything...in this case it is kool-aid
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 12:05 am |
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Don't you people celebrate Mother's Day? My kids just left and I see the board has been busy.
Can one of you republicans answer this: Why do you think the perception of Obama being America's hero, despite all the negative press, is what it is?
Of course I'm talking about millions of Democrats and many Republicans.
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cindisue_g wrote: sometimes rational wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Andyman wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Unfortunately Andyman, if you research what Obama has been all about, it is not a change that will be good for all Americans. It might be a good change for Africa (a continent he is committed to however) and other third world countries; one major reason is that he does not have a clue about foreign affairs.
No of course not, nothing in this world is good for ALL americans. When I read all these posts I see fear from the Republicans. They don't want to pay higher taxes so the poor people can have prime rib on Sunday. No one faults them for that. But it is what it is and that's the candidate that McCain is going to run against. If you are against Obama for any reason, why not rally the troops to get McCain elected instead of worrying about Obama?
Ahhh...so the new Rev uses rap music in his sermons...of course that's anti-American...opera is Italian...and those Irish love Celtic...you're so right...any music other than the Yankee Doole, Irving Berlin, and Country kind of music is subversive and speaks VOLUMES of those who listen to..how did I miss that..and don't get me started on those Dixie Chicks (awesome concert in Glendale--ya should have been there)..and whatta piker Obama is , per Cindy Sue...never vote for a piker...what percentage, Cindysu would make him a non-piker?..keeping in mind he has two young kids and has not probably amassed the resources you have. Ummm..just wondering, you cover Obama's church, charitable contributions, rap music...still nothing negative about his policy position and still nothing positive about McCain's postion, which does change daily? That was, afterall, the point of Andyman's post..y'all ignore McBush to diss Obama. You'd possibly like no President at all?
I am not ignoring Bush or McCain, I'm ignoring you, because you can't debate a subject without call names, insulting people and yelling.
RAZ. pumpkin...it's fine to ignore me..really it is...see, the boards are not just about you...if I was that into you, I'd PM ya....but I digress...so how about Andy's question...regarding McBush..where is the love...why not support of your candidate...it's just rhetorical...we know..there is no basis for support.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 11:28 pm |
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razenkn wrote:
Your answer is disturbing Andyman because you sound as though it doesn't matter what Obama has or has not done, what his personal belief system is, or who mentors him, you just want him for his personna/rock star status because you believe that is the only way to get a democrat into office and that seems to be the bottom line on here for some. Don't really care who it is. No, that's what the majority of democrats think - like it or not - Bush made them think that way.
That sort of reckless support will be the undoing of our great country over time. Yes it will, but that's because Bush put our country in that situation. He needs to be fully vetted, and he has not been. You are right, I don't like the answers because they really aren't answers, just vague generalities and his poll numbers have to drop before he addresses any questionable issue. That is not being forthcoming when you have to be forced to explain.
I love my kids unconditionally because I have to. I would never "love" a politician for the sake of the party despite what he is really about, I don't have that kind of misguided loyalty. I hope most Americans are smarter than that too. The Americans that can't put food on the table are in that position because they are not smart. But those are the people who will elect President Obama.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 11:10 pm |
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Your answer is disturbing Andyman because you sound as though it doesn't matter what Obama has or has not done, what his personal belief system is, or who mentors him, you just want him for his personna/rock star status because you believe that is the only way to get a democrat into office and that seems to be the bottom line on here for some. Don't really care who it is.
That sort of reckless support will be the undoing of our great country over time. He needs to be fully vetted, and he has not been. You are right, I don't like the answers because they really aren't answers, just vague generalities and his poll numbers have to drop before he addresses any questionable issue. That is not being forthcoming when you have to be forced to explain.
I love my kids unconditionally because I have to. I would never "love" a politician for the sake of the party despite what he is really about, I don't have that kind of misguided loyalty. I hope most Americans are smarter than that too.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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razenkn wrote:
Yep, we still need to ask questions, LOTS of questions and he needs to provide answers, LOTS of answers.
He did provide answers, but you just can't accept them.
When are you going to accept the fact that Obama is worshipped by millions and those numbers can only go higher when he gets Hillary's people. Are you a parent? If you are, then you know that these people don't care about what he did in the past, they will love him through anything. It's OK for you to have concerns, questions and want answers, but there is only one of you Razenkn and a handfull of posters on this board. The Republicans don't have the numbers to force an answer to those questions. If you love McCain you would let your issues die because for every question you have about Obama's values, the democrats have twenty for McCain. Why do you think that barbie doll (Cindy) says he is committed to running a clean campaign. He doesn't want to explain the Keating Five for starters.
Do the math - he has some fifty years of making mistakes. Obama doesn't even have half that many. Who do you think will win the war of morals.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 10:25 pm |
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I'm not sure we can even get to the policy issues at this point. Why waste time talking about that if he may not even make it through the vetting process? First I want to know who the guy is, then we will discuss how he wants to change our country to what end. He can tell us he has the best plans in the world, but if it turns out that he has a hidden agenda, a radical agenda, then there is that little issue of trust and judgement that would rear its ugly head.
This is not about gotcha politics (that will come during the general election, MoveOn.Org is already raising funds to attack JM). They are looking to see who he is and what his belief system really is and how that might impact us as a country.
It was Obama who came out and called small town Americans bitter and clinging to their firearms and religion and have antipathy against anyone who is different then they are (prejudiced). Nobody had to look for that, he provided it. A columnist wrote an op ed piece over a year ago about Rev Wright and Obama's connection, he was concerned about it. These things are disturbing and they need to be put to rest, but Obama has not done that yet.
Will he sympathize with a radical group who decides to blow up the White House because of his afilliations with terrorists, Wm Ayers and Bernadene Dohrn? He might. If Al Qaeda gets their hands on a dirty bomb and decides to drop it on the Pentagon, will he do something about it or will he listen to the Ayers because just in Dec 2007 they said during a speech that we pretty much deserved 9-11. And these are the people he hangs with, long time friends and neighbors.
Yep, we still need to ask questions, LOTS of questions and he needs to provide answers, LOTS of answers.
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sometimes rational wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Andyman wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Unfortunately Andyman, if you research what Obama has been all about, it is not a change that will be good for all Americans. It might be a good change for Africa (a continent he is committed to however) and other third world countries; one major reason is that he does not have a clue about foreign affairs.
No of course not, nothing in this world is good for ALL americans. When I read all these posts I see fear from the Republicans. They don't want to pay higher taxes so the poor people can have prime rib on Sunday. No one faults them for that. But it is what it is and that's the candidate that McCain is going to run against. If you are against Obama for any reason, why not rally the troops to get McCain elected instead of worrying about Obama?
Andyman, I think you are making generalizations when you say that we Republicans don't want to pay higher taxes so that poor people can have prime rib on Sunday. I for one have no problem paying higher taxes or donating my time or money to help those that can not help themselves. If you were to look at my 2007 taxes and Obama's, I can guarantee that my percentage to charity is a lot larger than the measly 5% he donated. I don't understand how someone like Obama can continue to say he is there for the less fortunate, but can't donate more than 5% to charity (he seems to think that charity only begins with other peoples' money not his) and then when you look at where he donated, the majority if not all are given to charities that basically give only to the African American/African population. What I don't believe in is that one race or religion is any better or any worse than the other. Something that I don't feel Obama believes in especiall when he continues to be associated with Trinity church and their new Reverend, the good Otis Moss, uses rap music in his sermons that spews anti-American hate, I can't in all good conscious sit back and not say anything. I will always worry about something that I do not feel is good for American. Ahhh...so the new Rev uses rap music in his sermons...of course that's anti-American...opera is Italian...and those Irish love Celtic...you're so right...any music other than the Yankee Doole, Irving Berlin, and Country kind of music is subversive and speaks VOLUMES of those who listen to..how did I miss that..and don't get me started on those Dixie Chicks (awesome concert in Glendale--ya should have been there)..and whatta piker Obama is , per Cindy Sue...never vote for a piker...what percentage, Cindysu would make him a non-piker?..keeping in mind he has two young kids and has not probably amassed the resources you have. Ummm..just wondering, you cover Obama's church, charitable contributions, rap music...still nothing negative about his policy position and still nothing positive about McCain's postion, which does change daily? That was, afterall, the point of Andyman's post..y'all ignore McBush to diss Obama. You'd possibly like no President at all?
I am not ignoring Bush or McCain, I'm ignoring you, because you can't debate a subject without call names, insulting people and yelling.Last edited on Sun May 11th, 2008 10:08 pm by cindisue_g
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 08:02 pm |
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cindisue_g wrote: Andyman wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Unfortunately Andyman, if you research what Obama has been all about, it is not a change that will be good for all Americans. It might be a good change for Africa (a continent he is committed to however) and other third world countries; one major reason is that he does not have a clue about foreign affairs.
No of course not, nothing in this world is good for ALL americans. When I read all these posts I see fear from the Republicans. They don't want to pay higher taxes so the poor people can have prime rib on Sunday. No one faults them for that. But it is what it is and that's the candidate that McCain is going to run against. If you are against Obama for any reason, why not rally the troops to get McCain elected instead of worrying about Obama?
Andyman, I think you are making generalizations when you say that we Republicans don't want to pay higher taxes so that poor people can have prime rib on Sunday. I for one have no problem paying higher taxes or donating my time or money to help those that can not help themselves. If you were to look at my 2007 taxes and Obama's, I can guarantee that my percentage to charity is a lot larger than the measly 5% he donated. I don't understand how someone like Obama can continue to say he is there for the less fortunate, but can't donate more than 5% to charity (he seems to think that charity only begins with other peoples' money not his) and then when you look at where he donated, the majority if not all are given to charities that basically give only to the African American/African population. What I don't believe in is that one race or religion is any better or any worse than the other. Something that I don't feel Obama believes in especiall when he continues to be associated with Trinity church and their new Reverend, the good Otis Moss, uses rap music in his sermons that spews anti-American hate, I can't in all good conscious sit back and not say anything. I will always worry about something that I do not feel is good for American. Ahhh...so the new Rev uses rap music in his sermons...of course that's anti-American...opera is Italian...and those Irish love Celtic...you're so right...any music other than the Yankee Doole, Irving Berlin, and Country kind of music is subversive and speaks VOLUMES of those who listen to..how did I miss that..and don't get me started on those Dixie Chicks (awesome concert in Glendale--ya should have been there)..and whatta piker Obama is , per Cindy Sue...never vote for a piker...what percentage, Cindysu would make him a non-piker?..keeping in mind he has two young kids and has not probably amassed the resources you have. Ummm..just wondering, you cover Obama's church, charitable contributions, rap music...still nothing negative about his policy position and still nothing positive about McCain's postion, which does change daily? That was, afterall, the point of Andyman's post..y'all ignore McBush to diss Obama. You'd possibly like no President at all?
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 07:03 pm |
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Andyman wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Unfortunately Andyman, if you research what Obama has been all about, it is not a change that will be good for all Americans. It might be a good change for Africa (a continent he is committed to however) and other third world countries; one major reason is that he does not have a clue about foreign affairs.
No of course not, nothing in this world is good for ALL americans. When I read all these posts I see fear from the Republicans. They don't want to pay higher taxes so the poor people can have prime rib on Sunday. No one faults them for that. But it is what it is and that's the candidate that McCain is going to run against. If you are against Obama for any reason, why not rally the troops to get McCain elected instead of worrying about Obama?
Andyman, I think you are making generalizations when you say that we Republicans don't want to pay higher taxes so that poor people can have prime rib on Sunday. I for one have no problem paying higher taxes or donating my time or money to help those that can not help themselves. If you were to look at my 2007 taxes and Obama's, I can guarantee that my percentage to charity is a lot larger than the measly 5% he donated. I don't understand how someone like Obama can continue to say he is there for the less fortunate, but can't donate more than 5% to charity (he seems to think that charity only begins with other peoples' money not his) and then when you look at where he donated, the majority if not all are given to charities that basically give only to the African American/African population. What I don't believe in is that one race or religion is any better or any worse than the other. Something that I don't feel Obama believes in especiall when he continues to be associated with Trinity church and their new Reverend, the good Otis Moss, uses rap music in his sermons that spews anti-American hate, I can't in all good conscious sit back and not say anything. I will always worry about something that I do not feel is good for American.
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