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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 03:24 am |
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| luicerfersLandlord, you know I don't think McCain is the man for the job, but he is far better than Obama. Obama has lied at ever turn. In the debates he doesn't ever answer a question. He couldn't even say he was for or against gun control, how bad is that, he tapped danced through the answer. I don't believe he is to be trusted and that he has his own personal agenda and it is not committed to making a change that will be for the betterment of all of the citizens of the United States. Even being a tried and true Republican, if there were a Democrat that I felt was worth anything, I would vote for them. But with what we have to choose from, I'll stick with the Republicans.
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cindisue_g wrote: Sorry to hear that Hillary did well. At lunch today, all were in agreement that McCain could beat Obama, but unfortunately he could not beat Hillary. Let's all hope that Obama takes the nomination, that would be a very good thing for the Republicans.
Whats good for Republicans isn't really good for the country as we can see from our last 2 term Republican President. While like you I don't care for liars running for the White House either our current three hopefuls have twisted enough truths to keeping you guessing until election day. So I do have to base alot of my decision on the total failure of our current administrations ability to run our country or their wonderful ability to run it right into the ground. Then have a Follow up Republican offer nothing more the 4 more years of idiocy as a good thing is quite an interesting concept .
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- So I was came upon this...I sort of have this crazy idea we ought to maybe at least slightly, consider candidate's qualifications on other than pastors and husbands lapses...so bon appetit...the source is crazyspace.org/and the sublject is John McCain, Republican.
- More sick kids
Voted against the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, which would have offered health insurance “to an estimated 4 million additional children of the working poor.”
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- Serving Arizona – half of the time!
McCain has missed more votes (56.4%) than anyone else in this Senate (okay, one guy missed more votes, but he suffered a brain hemorrhage).
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- Expert in foreign policy? Maybe not.
McCain repeatedly gets the facts wrong about the violence in Iraq, confusing Shiite extremists in Iraq with Al Qaeda (a Sunni insurgent group).
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- Charles in Charge
John McCain used his position in the Senate to protect Charles Keating, a friend and campaign donor, from federal banking regulators looking into his Lincoln Savings and Loan. McCain "wrote several letters to regulators, introduced legislation and helped secure the nomination of a Keating associate to a banking regulatory board. By early 1987, though, the thrift was careering toward disaster. Mr. McCain agreed to join several senators, eventually known as the Keating Five, for two private meetings with regulators to urge them to ease up."
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- Combine 1 tablespoon of fiction with a cup of plagiarism
Featured a section on campaign Web site titled, “McCain Family Recipes.” Unfortunately, the recipes were taken verbatim from the Food Network’s Web site.
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On Iraq: "I think the victory will be rapid, within about three weeks."
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"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."
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"I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."
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"You know that old Beach Boys song, Bomb Iran? Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."
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“I don’t think Americans are concerned if we’re (in Iraq) for one hundred years or a thousand years or ten thousand years.”
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“I was pleased to have the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee yesterday.” (of the anti-semitic, anti-catholic preacher)
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“I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.”
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"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."
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On Democrats voting against extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy: "Anyone who had the misfortune of watching it will know how hard it is to do the Lord's work in the city of Satan."
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"General Petraeus and I and Osama bin Laden are in agreement."
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“All I can say is that on the fundamentals and the principles of our Republican Party and most of the specifics of our shared conservative philosophy, President Bush and I are in agreement.”
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“No one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have.”
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| Funny thing, I had lunch today with a lot of my girlfriends and we we talking about how proud we were that Obama has turned this election into the most powerful election in the history of this country. EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT AND EVERYONE (Democrats) ARE GETTING OUT TO VOTE. We also agreed that the Democrats are pulling a huge number of voters out of the sidelines. We all have our favorites but we all agree that whether we are for Obama or Hillary - once the candidate is decided, we will back them twofold. Many of them said that they registered this year as Democrats because as Donald Trump (who is a Repuplican) put it George Bush is the worst Republican President in American History.
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 01:31 am |
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| Sorry to hear that Hillary did well. At lunch today, all were in agreement that McCain could beat Obama, but unfortunately he could not beat Hillary. Let's all hope that Obama takes the nomination, that would be a very good thing for the Republicans.
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Oh sorry deuce, apparently I'm a little slow this week. Too many irons in the fire I guess. Good, I was worried about you there for a minute, but my question was an honest one, I would like someone to explain how the Dems are going to fix our gas pump crisis. I haven't heard one "solution" as of yet, have you? I don't care who resolves it, I just want it resolved. I will be the first to sing liberals praises if they can accomplish that for us.
Just finished the second part of the interview with Bill O'Reilly and Hillary and again found it to be surprisingly informative. I've watched all the debates and many other interviews so I don't know why everyone else is having such a hard time gleening the candidate's views, maybe because Bill didn't let her get by with stump talking points, but forced her to answer from her heart. However dangerous some of her views are, I at least respect her immensely for having the courage to reveal how she will lead our country if given the opportunity in an unknown venue.
John McCain is next week. Same venue, one on one. Obama hasn't called yet. 
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Sorry, Razenkn. So much for subtle cynicism and sarcasm. Oh well, I guess I didn't telegraph my postition very well. That's one of the problems with online written messages. No body language of intonation.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 10:01 pm |
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Do you really believe that the Dems can control the pump prices deuce? How?
Don't forget....the second part of Bill O'Reilly's interview with Hillary is on tonight. She will be answering questions regarding her foreign policy views. Should be interesting. Fox News Channel 47 at 5 pm.
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dwig222 wrote: cindisue_g wrote:
I would bet my last dollar that if the Democrats would have brought out their "secret commonsense plan to lower gas prices" a year ago, there would have been such pressure from citizens that it would have passed. But guess what they didn't, they even voted against a bill to have Pelosi bring to the forefront their "secret plan". Go figure - I guess there wasn't a plan and they just out and out lied about trying to reduce the price of gas to get that all too important vote and gain the majority. What have they done as far as these promises to reduce the price of gas, reduce education cost, end ear marking, etc.! Nothing, just all lies.
Obviously you didn't listen to Bush's new conference yesterday. He said the government CANNOT control gas prices!! Pay attention Cindisue!
Yea. So. The Democrats believe they can. What does Bush know, anyway.
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Sorry I missed it, but from what have said it seems just covered her a** on most of the issues. But you are so dead on with your view on the oil business. People just don't like to see it that way.
Big Business controls this country and when the little guy starts to see that maybe he will want to make some changes.
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If any of you were "brave" enough to watch the "eeevil" Fox News Channel to watch the Bill O'reilly and Hillary interview last night it was actually quite good. She held her own, terribly misguided with some of her polilcies, but at least we now clearly know what her policies are. Thank you Mrs Clinton.
Bill asked her some very direct and hard hitting questions, but her energy crisis answers were not good. She wants to slap the oil companies with a "windfall" tax that does absolutely nothing to generate more fuel.
It will only begin a process of wealth distribution that our country has fought since the beginning of time. When asked why she voted down a nuclear energy bill seven times she never answered the question or why she voted against drilling in ANWAR. Those bills would have created much needed fuel supplies and had they started it 16 years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation today about $120 a barrel oil. It is a fact we use oil. We will be using oil for decades to come until they really do find a viable alternative source. So the plan to up the taxes on oil companies does nothing to resolve the crisis.
Her plan to talk harshly to OPEC and become more involved in WTO (her words) will do absolutely nothing. Do you think they are really going to listen to Mrs Clinton? While she is shaking her naughty, naughty finger at them, they will give her the middle finger and raise it some more....because they can and they don't care about the little guy over here. Remember, these are the people that HATE us. Notice what both she and Nancy have in common in their solutions? Go after the big oil companies who by the way, do not set the prices. Punish our businesses, but ignore the real culprits. Great strategy and that has helped so far how? It hasn't. Just more of the same.
I guarantee you, the very day we announce we are doing our own off shore drilling, plans to build more refineries and putting forth a nuclear energy bill will be the day the prices will plummet.
But the dems are too afraid to take a stand on the reality of the situation and just continue to put silly feel good bandaids on this critical issue. Nancy, Harry, Hillary and Barack all can afford the higher fuel bills so they are willing to turn a blind eye in order not to upset the radical groups who support them in the polls and who are being allowed to run our country now.
We are going green alright, we are dumping our green right straight into the Arabs pockets and they are laughing their a$$es off.
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sometimes rational wrote: dwig222 wrote: cindisue_g wrote:
I would bet my last dollar that if the Democrats would have brought out their "secret commonsense plan to lower gas prices" a year ago, there would have been such pressure from citizens that it would have passed. But guess what they didn't, they even voted against a bill to have Pelosi bring to the forefront their "secret plan". Go figure - I guess there wasn't a plan and they just out and out lied about trying to reduce the price of gas to get that all too important vote and gain the majority. What have they done as far as these promises to reduce the price of gas, reduce education cost, end ear marking, etc.! Nothing, just all lies.
Obviously you didn't listen to Bush's new conference yesterday. He said the government CANNOT control gas prices!! Pay attention Cindisue!
there was an interesting piece in the Republic today concerning Bush's comments that he is powerless to do anything to help at least stabilize fuel costs..the primary thing he could do is use a differnet kind of crude in the reserves which is less expensive..the article went on to list other steps he could take as well.....since Bush is unable to find his way out of a conference room, it's unlikely he has the wherewithall to actually show some leadership...the man is pathetic.
And the Democrats just keep on lying and lying and don't keep their promises to the American people. I guess you believe that it is okay to lie, since it was the Democrats. Yes, that's the kind of people we want running the country.
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dwig222 wrote: cindisue_g wrote:
I would bet my last dollar that if the Democrats would have brought out their "secret commonsense plan to lower gas prices" a year ago, there would have been such pressure from citizens that it would have passed. But guess what they didn't, they even voted against a bill to have Pelosi bring to the forefront their "secret plan". Go figure - I guess there wasn't a plan and they just out and out lied about trying to reduce the price of gas to get that all too important vote and gain the majority. What have they done as far as these promises to reduce the price of gas, reduce education cost, end ear marking, etc.! Nothing, just all lies.
Obviously you didn't listen to Bush's new conference yesterday. He said the government CANNOT control gas prices!! Pay attention Cindisue!
there was an interesting piece in the Republic today concerning Bush's comments that he is powerless to do anything to help at least stabilize fuel costs..the primary thing he could do is use a differnet kind of crude in the reserves which is less expensive..the article went on to list other steps he could take as well.....since Bush is unable to find his way out of a conference room, it's unlikely he has the wherewithall to actually show some leadership...the man is pathetic.
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dwig222 wrote: cindisue_g wrote:
I would bet my last dollar that if the Democrats would have brought out their "secret commonsense plan to lower gas prices" a year ago, there would have been such pressure from citizens that it would have passed. But guess what they didn't, they even voted against a bill to have Pelosi bring to the forefront their "secret plan". Go figure - I guess there wasn't a plan and they just out and out lied about trying to reduce the price of gas to get that all too important vote and gain the majority. What have they done as far as these promises to reduce the price of gas, reduce education cost, end ear marking, etc.! Nothing, just all lies.
Obviously you didn't listen to Bush's new conference yesterday. He said the government CANNOT control gas prices!! Pay attention Cindisue!
Well thank you very much dwig22 for clarifying that the Democrats out and out lied to the country when they said they had a commonsense plan to lower prices on many, many occasions. I guess Ms. Pelosi is the quintessential Democrat - she proved that they will do anything to garner votes. Nice to see President Bush told the truth and outed the liars.
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cindisue_g wrote:
I would bet my last dollar that if the Democrats would have brought out their "secret commonsense plan to lower gas prices" a year ago, there would have been such pressure from citizens that it would have passed. But guess what they didn't, they even voted against a bill to have Pelosi bring to the forefront their "secret plan". Go figure - I guess there wasn't a plan and they just out and out lied about trying to reduce the price of gas to get that all too important vote and gain the majority. What have they done as far as these promises to reduce the price of gas, reduce education cost, end ear marking, etc.! Nothing, just all lies.
Obviously you didn't listen to Bush's new conference yesterday. He said the government CANNOT control gas prices!! Pay attention Cindisue!
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Max22 wrote in part:
The Senate and the President, however, stopped progress. The President vetoed the bill that would
Guess Reid can't deliver even thought the Dem's are in the majority. So much for promising them anything and delivering nothing. It's easy to blame the Republicans, but Reid and Pelosi have been neutralized despite being in the majority. That's politics.
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max22 and all we hear from the Republicans is that they can not get anything done because the Democrats are in the majority and won't vote for anything that will help the citizens.
I would bet my last dollar that if the Democrats would have brought out their "secret commonsense plan to lower gas prices" a year ago, there would have been such pressure from citizens that it would have passed. But guess what they didn't, they even voted against a bill to have Pelosi bring to the forefront their "secret plan". Go figure - I guess there wasn't a plan and they just out and out lied about trying to reduce the price of gas to get that all too important vote and gain the majority. What have they done as far as these promises to reduce the price of gas, reduce education cost, end ear marking, etc.! Nothing, just all lies.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/energy-bill-hits-senate-roadblock/story.aspx?guid=%7BEC506520-CB16-4DA8-9EA6-08281D3FC8F2%7D
Hey Cindisue,
Here is an interesting bit I found on oil and reasons why Dems could be having an issue. I am not sure if you were really asking or not sooooo, I am placing blame on both sides cause both Dems and Repubs block each other from any chance of doing something good for us if it means they work together. Yeah they do on some things but each one would rather have the limelight of a real winner like lowering gas prices for themselves so they roadblock. I do find it sad to that both make overtures of grandeur and then look like idiots cause they cant do a darn thing and we are only left with the hope if we elect someone else they will do it and so starts the vicious circle. I would like to see a third party just to ruffle our career politicians a bit.
I keep telling cindie sue why the Democrats can't get anything done...but she won't listen...so I found this that explains quite a bit...
An analysis of voting records, however, makes clear that the problem is not a failure of Democratic
leadership but of Republican obstructionism. The Democrats had a remarkably productive first six
months. Every single item on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s 100 Hours Agenda passed the House,
often with considerable margins.
The Senate and the President, however, stopped progress. The President vetoed the bill that would
end the occupation of Iraq. Republicans continually threaten to filibuster, requiring 60 votes for
cloture (a limit on debate) to proceed on a wide variety of measures. The first session of the 110 th
Congress saw 45 cloture votes in eight months, 1 far above historical norms (see the chart on the
next page). Republicans are on pace to bring the number of filibuster threats and cloture votes to a
level nearly half again as high as the 108th and 109th Congress put together
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This is a deliberate strategy. Republican whip Trent Lott told Roll Call, “The strategy of being
obstructionist can work or fail… and so far, it’s working for us.” 2 Democrats are the ones taking the
blame for not getting anything done.
http://caf.wsm.ga3.org/assets/obstruction-by-filibuster.pdf
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You are right, sorry. Still on pre-daylight savings time. 5 pm and 8 pm. Thanks.
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Don't forget -- Hillary will be on Bill O'Reilly starting at 6 pm (on again at 8:00 pm) channel 47 for those first time viewers. If the liberals who have never watched him yet continue to denigrate the show can muster up some courage and go in, you may be pleasantly surprised or not. Either way, it should be a very interesting interview, he has already said he's not interested in the "gotcha" questions because he feels anyone can do those set ups, he wants answers to the issues that people are worried about.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/energy-bill-hits-senate-roadblock/story.aspx?guid=%7BEC506520-CB16-4DA8-9EA6-08281D3FC8F2%7D
Hey Cindisue,
Here is an interesting bit I found on oil and reasons why Dems could be having an issue. I am not sure if you were really asking or not sooooo, I am placing blame on both sides cause both Dems and Repubs block each other from any chance of doing something good for us if it means they work together. Yeah they do on some things but each one would rather have the limelight of a real winner like lowering gas prices for themselves so they roadblock. I do find it sad to that both make overtures of grandeur and then look like idiots cause they cant do a darn thing and we are only left with the hope if we elect someone else they will do it and so starts the vicious circle. I would like to see a third party just to ruffle our career politicians a bit.
You are correct, both the Democrats and Republicans are to blame. Today Bush has said that the Democrats continue to block his plans.
I only addressed the Democrat party, because there are those on here that can't admit that they do wrong and they down an out lied about issues to get majority. When push comes to shove, the Democrats secret plan is to look at price gouging - now we all know that is not going to solve the problem.
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razenkn wrote:
Listen up my Liberal friends! I wouldn't want you to miss this. Hillary is going on the Bill O'Reilly show tomorrow night! Be sure to tune in 5 pm or 8 pm on channel 47 FNC (Cox).
I knew it would be just a matter of time. Remember how indignant Obama, Hillary and Edwards were when FNC offered to host a debate for them. All three stuck their noses up in the air and said that FNC would not be fair and they turned them down flat instead choosing to go to the radical far left fringe Daily Kos to have their chat.
Well, it appears things have changed since then. First Terry McAuliffe (Hillary's campaign guru) came out last week saying that Fox News is the most fair and balanced of all the news stations. Wow. Withhold your 'wow' because it's not what he said. As you well know, he was happy with the last debate..and the snippet taken out of context so coyly by you pertains to only the debate...and, as I told you before, McAuliffe does not speak for the Democratic party...anymore than you do represent owners of blue dresses Then after two years of invites, Obama finally succumbed to an one on one interview with Fox News Chris Wallace on Sunday morning. Now, Hillary who has made her share of snide comments regarding Mr O'Reilly has succumbed to appearing on his show.
What next???
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| LOL, my page says Africa is a continent with many nations and I guess if they are Africa first then they are taking care of all the whites who live their too.....
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So let's all get on the same page.
1) We have a black man who is running for president who loves his church and God but really doesn't remember anything the man in cloth said for twenty years, It must have been nap time. So if you sleep at every service for twenty years he would have slept a total of 1040 times plus there is extra duty for holidays which would be approx. 80 times for the grand total of 1080 days. Or 1620 hours. And he never heard the man make one racist statement that Africa is the only country.
2) We have a 70 year old man who is running for the same office but with his age he just might die in office. Sometimes he goes back to VietNam once in a while. He is good for a country who needs a war because he is very familiar with it, so to keep this nation on track he will keeps us fighting anyone for the defense contractors.
3) We have an ex- first lady who I haven't figured out why she wants to run, maybe just to prove a point to the world and this nation that a woman can become President of this great land of ours. But personally I don't she has a clue what the people of this country really wants and really needs, just her own personal agenda.
WOW hard to choose from so many rejects and not a competent one in the bunch. What's a voter to do!
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http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/energy-bill-hits-senate-roadblock/story.aspx?guid=%7BEC506520-CB16-4DA8-9EA6-08281D3FC8F2%7D
Hey Cindisue,
Here is an interesting bit I found on oil and reasons why Dems could be having an issue. I am not sure if you were really asking or not sooooo, I am placing blame on both sides cause both Dems and Repubs block each other from any chance of doing something good for us if it means they work together. Yeah they do on some things but each one would rather have the limelight of a real winner like lowering gas prices for themselves so they roadblock. I do find it sad to that both make overtures of grandeur and then look like idiots cause they cant do a darn thing and we are only left with the hope if we elect someone else they will do it and so starts the vicious circle. I would like to see a third party just to ruffle our career politicians a bit.
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sometimes rational wrote: What secret plan is that? and if it's a secret, how do you Republicans know about it? Stick with Harry Potter if you want fiction...
Now sometimes rational, why would I have to read fiction books, when the Democrat party is spewing so much fiction.
Pelosi "Democrats have a plan to lower gas prices" (released 4/18/06)
Pelosi "Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices" (released 4/24/06)
Hoyer "Democrats believe that we can do more for the American people who are struggling to deal with high gas prices" (released 10/4/05)
Clyburn "House Democrats have a plan to help curb rising gas prices" (released 7/26/06)
Kagen voted in lock-step with his Democrat leadership to block a bill to force Pelosi to "revel the 'commonsense plan" to lower gas prices (she) promised two years ago" (House Roll Call 211)
Gas prices on 1/4/07 - $2.33 a gallon
RECORD GAS PRICES ON 4/23/08 - $3.53
Their secret plan - to look into price gouging - yep all fiction.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 08:01 pm |
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Listen up my Liberal friends! I wouldn't want you to miss this. Hillary is going on the Bill O'Reilly show tomorrow night! Be sure to tune in 5 pm or 8 pm on channel 47 FNC (Cox).
I knew it would be just a matter of time. Remember how indignant Obama, Hillary and Edwards were when FNC offered to host a debate for them. All three stuck their noses up in the air and said that FNC would not be fair and they turned them down flat instead choosing to go to the radical far left fringe Daily Kos to have their chat.
Well, it appears things have changed since then. First Terry McAuliffe (Hillary's campaign guru) came out last week saying that Fox News is the most fair and balanced of all the news stations. Wow. Then after two years of invites, Obama finally succumbed to an one on one interview with Fox News Chris Wallace on Sunday morning. Now, Hillary who has made her share of snide comments regarding Mr O'Reilly has succumbed to appearing on his show.
What next???
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 06:32 pm |
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What secret plan is that? and if it's a secret, how do you Republicans know about it? Stick with Harry Potter if you want fiction...
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sometimes rational wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: I've got the feeling it's going to be a very, very close race. The two Dems are back and forth, and then McCain can beat them and then he can't. I do believe it will come down to his VP choice too, but I think that's also the case with the Dems.
Ya hate politics and what it does to people (like bringing out their worst and their best), but it is fascinating!
I think McCain's gas tax suspension gimmick is really insulting..that's one thing he does which drives me bonkers...his pandering...he's slamming the evangelicals, then he's at Bob Jones Univern. sucking up to them...he's against continuing the tax breaks of Bush, now he thinks they're good idea..he never provides a reason for his constant changes and has a hissy fit when he's asked about it...no matter how we might disagree, MAMA on the candidates, I think we probably want someone predictible, or at least someone who can validate his changes.
So what do you think of Hillary's "Gas Tax Holiday"? Is that Democrat gimmickry and pandering as well? Why do I get the feeling you will think that is the best thing since sliced bread? How about the Democrats secret plan to look into the price of gas - why didn't they do it a year ago, as they promised.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 02:29 pm |
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| It is probably a book of the internal workings of his mind. Where the 2 John McCains do battles over what's right and what's wrong with the society of today. And neither wins. Short story.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 12:43 pm |
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| Has anyone read the book The Real McCain?? Sounds interesting.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 05:30 am |
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Mamazoyd wrote: I've got the feeling it's going to be a very, very close race. The two Dems are back and forth, and then McCain can beat them and then he can't. I do believe it will come down to his VP choice too, but I think that's also the case with the Dems.
Ya hate politics and what it does to people (like bringing out their worst and their best), but it is fascinating!
I think McCain's gas tax suspension gimmick is really insulting..that's one thing he does which drives me bonkers...his pandering...he's slamming the evangelicals, then he's at Bob Jones Univern. sucking up to them...he's against continuing the tax breaks of Bush, now he thinks they're good idea..he never provides a reason for his constant changes and has a hissy fit when he's asked about it...no matter how we might disagree, MAMA on the candidates, I think we probably want someone predictible, or at least someone who can validate his changes.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:16 am |
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I've got the feeling it's going to be a very, very close race. The two Dems are back and forth, and then McCain can beat them and then he can't. I do believe it will come down to his VP choice too, but I think that's also the case with the Dems.
Ya hate politics and what it does to people (like bringing out their worst and their best), but it is fascinating!
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Mama, I just dont see Mcain as an option. He is not supported by his own party. The very changes he sought in campaign finance reform is out the window and he is going to need to use public money to stay in the race. That to me says more than enough. Plus he would need to choose a severe conservative to pull Republicans together which will unite Democrats whenever they decide on a candidate.
I love and loath politics
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Well LLL, dream team? NOT. Actually, if McCain were to choose Romney, I'd be in a real quandry. Fortunately, it appears other people would feel the same way. And as far as needing to pick a great VP to be elected, I think that's usually the case, isn't it? I can't personally think of anyone who could stand on his own without a great backup, can you?
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 02:03 am |
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Mamazoyd wrote: http://www.nomittvp.com/
Wow a twofer, can we say nightmare team and not dream team. Its ashame that Mcain needs to pick a good VP candidate just to be a legitimate contender since he cant do it on his own.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 01:41 am |
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dwig222 wrote: surprisemotherof2 wrote:
I will vote for the best candidate based on who I think is the best candidate thank you very much. It's still a long road to the White House and I'm happy with the possiblities.
I agree. I don't really consider myself a Republican or a Democrat (I don't know if McCain does either). I want to see who McCain picks for his running mate before I vote for Hilary or Obama. And, I want to see him debate one of those two. Then I'll decide.
Love her or hate her, Hillary has staying power..you're correct about the importance of McCain's choice for Vp in view of his age...there is a liklihood of him not finishing if he were to be elected....I like the poll below...since this country is in absolutely the worse condition it's been in during my lifetime, I believe the majority will say enuf and go with either her or Obama...I still think McCain will be goaded into losing his temper and do a Dick Cheney and tell someone, on video, to go f..him or her self...Obama is still the most presidential..and the most confidence inspiring candidate out there.
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surprisemotherof2 wrote:
I will vote for the best candidate based on who I think is the best candidate thank you very much. It's still a long road to the White House and I'm happy with the possiblities.
I agree. I don't really consider myself a Republican or a Democrat (I don't know if McCain does either). I want to see who McCain picks for his running mate before I vote for Hilary or Obama. And, I want to see him debate one of those two. Then I'll decide.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 07:13 pm |
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We have now been reduced to listening to a "poll" of a pretend vote??
I will vote for the best candidate based on who I think is the best candidate thank you very much. It's still a long road to the White House and I'm happy with the possiblities.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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 AP Poll: Clinton leads McCain, doing better than Obama By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton now leads John McCain by 9 points in a head-to-head presidential matchup, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable than Democratic rival Barack Obama.
Obama and Republican McCain are running about even.
The survey released Monday gives the New York senator and former first lady a fresh talking point as she works to raise much-needed campaign cash and persuade pivotal undecided superdelegates to side with her in the drawn-out Democratic primary fight.
Helped by independents, young people and seniors, Clinton gained ground this month in a hypothetical match with Sen. McCain, the GOP nominee-in-waiting. She now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent.
Both Democrats were roughly even with McCain in the previous poll about three weeks ago.
Since then, Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary, raising questions anew about whether Obama can attract broad swaths of voters needed to triumph in such big states come the fall when the Democratic nominee will go up against McCain. At the same time, Obama was thrown on the defensive by his comment that residents of small-town America were bitter. The Illinois senator also continued to deal with the controversial remarks of his longtime Chicago pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
"I don't think there's any question that over the last three weeks her stature has improved," said Harrison Hickman, a Democratic pollster unaligned in the primary. He attributed Clinton's gains to people moving from the "infatuation stage" of choosing the candidate they like the most to a "decision-making stage" where they determine who would make the best president.
Added Steve Lombardo, a GOP pollster: "This just reinforces the sentiment that a lot of Republican strategists are having right now — that Clinton might actually be the more formidable fall candidate for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that Obama can't seem to get his footing back."
The AP-Ipsos poll found Clinton and Obama about even in the race for the Democratic nomination. Underscoring deep divisions within the Democratic Party — and a potentially negative longer-term impact — 30 percent of Clinton supporters and 21 percent of Obama supporters said they would vote for McCain in November if their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination.
Obama leads Clinton in pledged delegates, but she has the advantage among superdelegates with about a third yet to make up their minds.
Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Monday that one of the two must drop out of the race after the primary season wraps up in June so Democrats can unite before the late-summer convention and the fall campaign.
He also urged undecided superdelegates — members of the Democratic National Committee as well as Democratic governors and members of Congress — to side with either Clinton or Obama before the August convention so the party can come together to take on McCain. The Arizona senator clinched the GOP nomination last month and has been campaigning freely since.
Nearly half the people in the AP-Ipsos poll said the protracted Democratic primary will hurt their party's chances in November; more Obama supporters than Clinton backers said they had that fear.
Overall, people said they trusted Clinton and Obama about the same to handle Iraq and the economy; McCain got similar ratings on Iraq but trailed both Democrats on the economy. And while roughly the same percentage of people said they trusted both Democrats to understand their problems, fewer trusted McCain.
When pitted against McCain, Clinton now wins among independents, 50 percent to 34 percent, when just a few weeks ago she ran about even with him with this crucial group of voters. Clinton also now does better among independents than Obama does in a matchup with McCain.
Clinton has a newfound edge among seniors, too, 51 percent to 39 percent; McCain had previously had the advantage. And, Clinton has improved her margin over McCain among people under age 30; two-thirds of them now side with her. McCain leads Obama among seniors, while Obama leads McCain among those under 30 but by a smaller margin than Clinton does.
She also now leads among Catholics, always an important swing voting group in a general election, and improved her standing in the South as well as in cities and among families making under $25,000 a year. But she lost ground among families making between $50,000 and $100,000; they narrowly support McCain.
The poll, taken April 23-27, questioned 1,001 adults nationally, with a margin of error of 3.1 percent. Included were interviews with 457 Democratic voters and people leaning Democratic, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.6 points, and 346 Republicans or GOP-leaning voters, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5.3 points.
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AP Director of Surveys Trevor Tompson and AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report
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I guess Nancy Pelosi heard our plea to inform us of her "Secret Plan" to fix the gas pump prices and guess what it is "We need to investigate the oil companies for possible price gouging". ARE YOU FLIPPIN KIDDING ME???? This is her Secret solution she bragged about to get into office? They have done this time after time and never found any evidence that is what is going on. She is so far removed from reality and what the real problems in our country are that she is almost numb in her responses.
Can't you Dems do anything to jack these people up and get them moving? I know they would have to get their a$$es off the private jets and might have to miss a lucrative land deal here and there but come on.
Everything is going through the roof right now because it costs so much more to transport. Once the groceries go up in price, they never come down. I stopped at the store yesterday to pick up a loaf of bread.....some of the brands are $5.49 -- nothing fancy, just bread and some dog food, it went up a $1.25 per carton since last month.
These people need to get a grip and climb out of that "we won" fog "I'm the first woman Speaker - look at me attitude" they've stayed in since being swept into office and do their jobs. They can't go on blaming the republicans forever, it's time they took some serious responsibility and get moving.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 03:10 pm |
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deuce wrote:
The Clinton camp only scratched the surface unearthing Obama's past to their advantage. Wait 'til the Rep's get a chance to get a shovel full of earth (read dirt).
They've already started. Did you see the new ad with the McCain soundbite talking about the 100 year war? The spot ends with a clip of Mcain with his arm around Bush's shoulders. I hear the McCain camp is furious
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