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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 04:25 pm |
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This is an op-ed piece by a black reporter in NYC. Interesting reading regarding the 2008 Election issues.
Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun
It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.
We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.
The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."
Start with national security, since the President's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.
The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.
It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilization war.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 09:59 pm |
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Did anyone happen to watch John Adams on HBO????
Yes...I did...great show...more people need to see this miniseries... To many people have forgotten how this country was started and why...
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cindisue_g wrote: I find it funny that no one realizes that it took more than 8 or 10 years or 12 years for our country to become as broken as it is. Gas prices were $1.153 the January Bill Clinton took office, he obviously helped with the gas increase, as did the President before him and the one before him. There has been homeless for many, many years and it increases ever year. Children that don't get enough food just didn't happen in 8 years, it has been on the increase for many, many years. Did Bush add to the problem, certainly he did...but for the last years or so, the Democrat party has been the majority and nothing has changed. Thus the Democrats are just as at fault as President Bush - they all have a vote.
Until everyone comes to grips with the facts that neither the Democrats or Republicans can fix this by themselves and that both parties are equally to blame for where we are today, it is going to be a sad day for the United States.
This is politics! Which one can lie, cheat and steal the best and not get caught at it. I agree each party has severe problems and both have great ideas, but for some reason there is no common ground to agree on it. Did anyone happen to watch John Adams on HBO???? It was fascinating to see where our founding fathers started to differ on opinion on how things were run and what pretty much created the 2 parties.. Interesting watch. I know its TV and an interpretation but it was still amazing to watch..
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 08:45 pm |
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I find it funny that no one realizes that it took more than 8 or 10 years or 12 years for our country to become as broken as it is. Gas prices were $1.153 the January Bill Clinton took office, he obviously helped with the gas increase, as did the President before him and the one before him. There has been homeless for many, many years and it increases ever year. Children that don't get enough food just didn't happen in 8 years, it has been on the increase for many, many years. Did Bush add to the problem, certainly he did...but for the last years or so, the Democrat party has been the majority and nothing has changed. Thus the Democrats are just as at fault as President Bush - they all have a vote.
Until everyone comes to grips with the facts that neither the Democrats or Republicans can fix this by themselves and that both parties are equally to blame for where we are today, it is going to be a sad day for the United States.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 05:21 pm |
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What do you think a democrat in office will do to lower our gas prices Max?
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 04:31 pm |
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When Bush took office in 2001...the average gas price was $1.46 to $1.50 per gallon. Now look at it...
This man has screwed us to help his oil buddies...
I cannot wait until this man is out of office...01/20/09 "the end of an error"...
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I think that was one of the best response I have heard on here in a very long time.
The candidates running for office are promising the voters what the voters want to hear.
---- Lower gas prices.
We as a nation have for so many years been a very profitable business to desert countries ( Saudi Arabia ) who have nothing but oil in the ground. Now we are so dependent on them.
We have a government who will not put any strong guidelines on the auto manufacturers which would force them reduce emissions and up gas milage. The technology is there and has been there for many years. But the change would cost the Americans some discomfort in the way of driving habits, and luxury features.
How many people do you know who own a Smart Car? I have seen them on the road but I don't know anyone who owns one.
---- Educating every U.S. Citizen
This should be one of the most important agenda that the candidates should be telling people where they stand on education. But when you talk about education you have to also talk about illegal immigrants in this country. So they really avoid that issue.
---- Feeding our hungry.
We have become saviors for the rest of the world. We can't take care of our own but we can take care of everyone else. If you watch closely when we do feed the other nations the food never gets to the people who need it. It get stolen by people who have food already and then it goes on the black market for money to buy supplies and arms for those criminal elements.
---- You are right.
None of the candidates running have anything good for the U.S. Citizens. It is all their parties own personal agendas, and we are going to be the ones who get it in the end. Maybe a work stoppage will help but I don't think so. We all could march on DC and tell them what we want. But only a hand full would show up. And our President would have everyone arrested for rallying without a permit. --- And the cause is not that important to most people.--- We could go back to the 60's and have peace rallies. The answer is right in front of our faces but as to right now we can see it. It will come to light soon and I hope it won't be to late.
We have a great way to rally people with this forum but who will show from here. You can rally people from all over the state and many other states also. I mean most of us can't agree on where a nice place to eat is, let alone what the issues of our government should be.
I do know we have to take back control of the Government!
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 01:47 pm |
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Gem127, I understand free society, but then why did the Democrats use the lowering of gas prices as their platform in the last election. They have had the power for long enough to make the changes that the were deceptive in promising the citizens - gas prices are higher than ever, even though they promised to lower gas prices. The cost of education is higher than ever, even though they promised to lower those costs. And do I really have to mention ear marking - how many Democrats had ear marks in the last year. I find it amazing that it is okay with the Democrats constituents that they were lied to about all of the things the Democrats promised they would do, just to get someones vote.
Now all we hear from Obama and Clinton is how they are going to make a change - they are going to make sure everyone has health care, they are going to make sure that illegal immigrants all get a free education, they are going to clean up the earth and the list goes on and on - in other words spend, spend, spend. And all the Democrats on here don't think their taxes are going to be raised, because they make under $200,000 a year. Again, people are believing all the lies.
I don't think anyone on here would say that they think our government is doing a good job - I think both parties have lost a sense of what it is to be a regular Joe or Jane. Someone making the kind of money that the candidates make, have no idea what a family has to do to survive now. When we hear about people stock piling food, because they think the price will increase to the point that they can not afford it or they think there will be shortages. How would Obama, Clinton or McCain tell their child that they can not have more food because Dad has to gas up the car tomorrow so he can go to work and buy more food for the family. In my opinion do they have empathy for the citizens of the United States - no. If they did, they would work on change that would benefit those here in America. Stop all foreign aide until the United States is fixed. Stop spending any more tax dollars on illegal immigrants, until the United States is fixed. I find it disgusting that the candidates want to spend tax dollars educating illegal immigrants when there are children in the United States that don't get enough to eat. I think it is disgusting that we are giving billions and billions to other countries, when we have homeless people.
I personally don't think that Obama, Clinton or McCain is the right person to make the changes in American that we need; I believe they all have personal agendas, none of which I feel is good for the United States.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 01:15 pm |
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max22 wrote: like John Stewart said about FOX: "Every country should have it's own Al Jazeera."
LOL, I am still laughing at that one......
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cindisue_g wrote: I certainly hope that whoever wins the national election, Republican or Democrat, follows through on the promises that the Democrats made to get majority....to reduce the price of gas. It is really distressing to hear that some people are having to make the choice between filling their car up with gas to go to work or fill their refrigerator to feed their families. Let's not be taken in again with this type of out and out deception.
Duh!!!!!!!!!! You obviously don't understand why gas prices are so high. Why don't you do your homework before you make such a comical statement. I know you are digging deep to find something that the Democrats did wrong so you can make the Republicans look good, but try another subject.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 03:06 am |
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| The government cannot even control the government, pray tell how they can control anything else? The entire system is controlled by money paid to , in effect, buy the presidental candidate into office. Once that is accomplished , the elected candidate starts to return the favors. Neither of the parties(or individuals) are about to change that fact. Right now we are simply witnessing the latest episode, with an effort by Obama to impress young people he will "change". If the young crowd-and others- buy into his Karl Marx approach, just wait until they start paying for all the redistribution programs.
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This is a free society and the government can not tell the gas companies what to charge. The Government does NOT own the gas companies. So maybe you can tell me how the government will be able to control the gas prices?
That would be like the government tell Albertson's they have to sell all steak at $2.00 a lb. They are in the business to make money. Watch Exxon stocks!
Sorry that isn't going to happen. I know you would love to see that. but get use to the idea that Fuel Oil Companies have a lot to say with the price of gas. And our hands are tied. They contributed to so many elected officials campaigns, that we have to find a way to get rid of these type of financial backers.
And you also have to remember that the mentally ill people who you have been kicked out of their safe haven which was a hospital and for 25 years they have learned to take things into their own hands. Last edited on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 02:55 am by GEM127
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 01:27 am |
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| I certainly hope that whoever wins the national election, Republican or Democrat, follows through on the promises that the Democrats made to get majority....to reduce the price of gas. It is really distressing to hear that some people are having to make the choice between filling their car up with gas to go to work or fill their refrigerator to feed their families. Let's not be taken in again with this type of out and out deception.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 12:59 am |
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GEM127 wrote: People living under bridges are from the Reagan Era. When the feds stopped funding to the state level for those programs like abuse, mentally ill, etc. That made his federal budget balance. So you both can stop blaming Bush and Clinton because neither of them had anything to do with it.
Gem there are a lot of programs available to these people through TERROS. They just elect not to follow the program or to take the medications. There is a program called Value Options for anyone who cannot afford medical/psychiatric/drug addiction facilities.
That being said, I think these people are often so mentally ill that they can't participate in a program. So I disagree with Raz that some of these people have made a "choice" to live this way. He doesn't really understand mental illness or addiction being a true disease if he feels this is a "choice".
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I must have been misunderstood. I just want to be clear that neither former presidents had any thing to do with people who live under bridges. You are right some do make that decisions to live there but some are just people who have been kicked out of mental institutions a long time ago. And they really don't know where to go so they live in places like under bridges. But unfortunately these people should be in institutions instead of on the street.
And this is just one thing the Feds over the years have passed on to state and local governments for the sake of a balanced budget. It seems to be very easy for the Feds to pass the buck, but it has to stop somewhere. I will say that not only this President but all of the Presidents since JFK ( I really liked him he was a visionary ) have put more undue pressure on state and local governments by cutting funding for a lot of programs.
Until people start to realize what is really going on in this countries government, then we are no better off then China. We are sheep and they lead us.
Most of you think I am a nut job. But I do see what is happening to all of us and I would do anything to stop it. But it can't be done by just one person. This is something that everyone who knows someone that talks to someone will have to endure a long road traveled but it will be worth it in the long run.
I do feel that as a nation we will survive but at what cost?
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 11:16 pm |
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You misunderstand GEM. I'm not blaming anyone other than the people who choose to live under the bridge. We all know they weren't dropped out of the sky and just landed there. They got there under their own power. There have always been people who live on the fringe of society for a variety of reasons, mostly due to the bad choices they made in life. 
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| People living under bridges are from the Reagan Era. When the feds stopped funding to the state level for those programs like abuse, mentally ill, etc. That made his federal budget balance. So you both can stop blaming Bush and Clinton because neither of them had anything to do with it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 05:08 pm |
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Again, listen closely SR. Drugs are a choice. You do not have to live under a bridge if you don't choose to do so. It's your own choices in life that put you where you are. The government can't control that.
Perhaps it is you who should put your misplaced hatred towards the Bush family away and go out and do something for those people living under bridges, but just because John Edwards says there are 200,000 veterans out there living under bridges don't make it so my gullible friend. He is being as dishonest on that as he is about everything else, hence, why he only obtained 26 delegates. In fact the Vets are really angry at him for saying that because it is such a direct insult to them.
Does anyone believe there weren't people living under bridges when Clinton was in charge for 8 years, no. So give your partisan rants a rest. BDW has a great point, although it was quite obvious which direction he slants his opinions on that we should all come together somewhere in the middle and actually solve the problems. I've been saying that for the entire time I've posted on here but it falls on deaf ears. Why? Because the only way the left can retain their power is to make people powerless and dependent. Until they change that mindset, we will be sitting in this same hole ten, twenty years from now unless we are under radical Islamic rule, then we won't be having any conversation.
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razenkn wrote:
I disagree somewhat about poor people living under bridges that the "rich" drive over comment simply because the people who are living under bridges are choosing to do so. There are many options in this country and nobody HAS to live under a bridge if they don't choose to do so. No matter who wins this next election, that will not change.
WOW--you outdid yourself with this one..People living under bridges do so by choice? You are so out of touch with reality, my lady, it's amazing. You're apparently unaware of the waiting list for drug programs (RAZ, I'm not talking about those rehab programs in Wickenburg for those elietists who can afford it) due to the failure of this administration to fund them...You're apparently unaware of victims of domestic abuse who can't afford to hide in the 5 star resorts of Scottsdale and are homeless..and those who are homeless due to mental issues for which they have no treatment resources....
...and, last, but not least, RAZ, you apprently are also unaware of the disgraceful number of veteran's who are suffering from post traumatic stress and can't hold down or get a job and can't get care from the Veteran's Administration due to funding cuts by the Bush Administration and are homeless
So maybe, as all the candidates are getting off their butts to see what American's are facing...your Commander in Chief and his family should forget the game show appearances and look under some bridges..and talk to people...maybe you should to, instead of relying on people playing golf and eating business lunches in 'nice restaurants' before you get giddy again about how great things are going in the USA these days.
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razenkn wrote:
Yeah that crazy President Bush did go on Deal or no Deal to surprise a three tour highly decorated war veteran who was a contestant on the show. That one minute video of his Commander in Chief thanking him and his brothers for their amazing service was pretty stupid wasn't it? It will be something the veteran will remember the rest of his life, but that doesn't matter.
Then there is that wild and crazy First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna out there "pimping" a children's book attempting to get parents to read to the kids, doesn't get much more dispicable than that.
What a jaded lens you see life through SR. I know this was a post to "taunt" me as you like to brag about in order to get a reply, but really, how does one get through their day with so much hate in their hearts? That is a mystery to me, it must be very heavy to carry that around.
As long as you are checking historical records for approval ratings, you might want to also check the NEW SHERIFF's in town Nancy and Harry's "were going to fix everything that is wrong" congress. Guess they are at a historical low of what now, 11%?? What would they be fixing exactly with those approval ratings?? 
And one more thing, GWB isn't running in this election. This is a post about the.....election, 2008, not 2000. Maybe you should call the AMA and get recommendations for a good therapist close by to help you get through the "Bush Bashing Derangement" syndrome withdrawals. I'm worried about you.
No, see you're confused..it's Bush you need to remind that he is not running...sit down, RAZ..I'll explain it to you: going on game shows to award veterans is a stunt...much as landing on an aircraft carrier in a waay too small jump suit was a stunt...the way veteran's are honored is to invite them to the White House..not Howie Mandel's 'office'. OK..now, McCain is also trying to shake the baggage of Bush by visiting New Orleans and explaining that Bush's handling of the disaster was another disaster...see, Bush is still Pres.he never acted much like one and I expect to see Bush popping out of a wedding cake wearing a blue dress (sans stains) anyday now....it's actually the Republicans who are going to feel a whole lot better when this administration is finally thru....then you all can get whatever therapy ya need since we'll be on the way to having a healthcare insurance program in place to pay for it. ..but thanks for you concern...I'll be a lot better on Jan. 20, 2009.
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| The phrase is used as an analogy of the polarization that is occurring in our country and not to be taken literally. It does however paint a picture of the disparities as people perceive them. As long as there is a president, they will have cheap shots taken at them whether or not they are deserved. It's just part and parcel of the package, and doesn't matter who is in office. When the little guy doesn't feel his voice is heard, this is a way to be acknowledged...right or wrong. Until we have a true third party who will stand up for the little guy, and the people come to the realization it's needed, all we're going to get is more of the same so we need to pick our poison and hope the Kool-Aid is flavored properly!! Too bad for all of us.....
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 03:29 pm |
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Very well stated BWD. Believe it or not, I really agree with you on most everything you just posted. I however have a hard time with people that feel the need to constantly take personal potshots at our Commander in Chief and wife and children no matter who it is. I do agree that it is extremely divisive as well as repulsive.
I disagree somewhat about poor people living under bridges that the "rich" drive over comment simply because the people who are living under bridges are choosing to do so. There are many options in this country and nobody HAS to live under a bridge if they don't choose to do so. No matter who wins this next election, that will not change.
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| Congratulations everyone! The politicians have done their job. They have taken the people and polarized us into the "us versus them" camps, and the end result is whichever side of the aisle you are on, "you" are right and "they" are wrong. I for one, would like to see a politician come out and be for "us". WE, the people who pay for the bridges the rich drive on and the poor sleep under, have the power to stop this crap which we are subjected to year in and year out. WE need to find a new political party who won't cater to the religious right and the welfare left, but really, really attempts to return this nation to it's rightful place of respect in the world. Welfare is welfare, whether it be corporate welfare or keeping generations of welfare recipients on welfare so as to be able to keep their vote coming in. This left/right crap has to stop somewhere.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 02:32 pm |
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Yeah that crazy President Bush did go on Deal or no Deal to surprise a three tour highly decorated war veteran who was a contestant on the show. That one minute video of his Commander in Chief thanking him and his brothers for their amazing service was pretty stupid wasn't it? It will be something the veteran will remember the rest of his life, but that doesn't matter.
Then there is that wild and crazy First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna out there "pimping" a children's book attempting to get parents to read to the kids, doesn't get much more dispicable than that.
What a jaded lens you see life through SR. I know this was a post to "taunt" me as you like to brag about in order to get a reply, but really, how does one get through their day with so much hate in their hearts? That is a mystery to me, it must be very heavy to carry that around.
As long as you are checking historical records for approval ratings, you might want to also check the NEW SHERIFF's in town Nancy and Harry's "were going to fix everything that is wrong" congress. Guess they are at a historical low of what now, 11%?? What would they be fixing exactly with those approval ratings??
And one more thing, GWB isn't running in this election. This is a post about the.....election, 2008, not 2000. Maybe you should call the AMA and get recommendations for a good therapist close by to help you get through the "Bush Bashing Derangement" syndrome withdrawals. I'm worried about you.
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razenkn wrote: Well thanks for your concern SR, I think that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me.
I know it's really hard to hear that your very own party who has been sworn to hate anything and everything that says nice things about the eeeevillll Republicans but not everyone got the memo obviously. FNC says nice things about both parties, that is why they are number one!!
You are correct however, Terry was the DNC leader and is now Chairman of Hillary Clinton's Campaign so again, you don't get much more left than that and yet he loves Fox News Channel as does Hillary!! Like I said, he is a strong leader in the democratic party. 
Yes, Howard Dean the whack machine is in charge of the DNC currently. By the way, how is he working out for your party? He's doing a bang up job isn't he? The Democratic primary is as about as screwed up as one could hope for (if you were a Republican) and yet there is no end in sight. Nobody knows how to fix this abysmal mess and even though it could mean defeat for the Dems in the fall election nobody wants to criticize their own, so good old Dean hangs in there with his scream and all and continues to call the shots. You go Dean man, keep up the good work!! What goes around definitely comes around. 
RAZ..I know you find it more fun to rap the Dems than to praise your own candidate..but at least our party likes at least one of our candidates..unlike yours///altho McCain is more popular than Bush..by the way..yesterday: Bush's popularity hit a 70 year low ... Gallop poll began 70 yrs ago...hence Bush is reduced to appearing on Deal or No Deal and his wife is reduced to doing a cooking bit on Today inbetween pimping her book...by the way, what's up with Jenna Bush not falling in line behind McCain? She must feel the same as you about him
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Good Grief raz...can't you tell when someone is "pandering"...? The Clinton campaign is trying anything and everything to get votes...they are trying to get votes from the republicans out there who are jumping ship...
Everyone with a brain knows that Faux News is anything but "fair and balanced"...
get with it...they are using Faux News for votes...open your eyes...
like John Stewart said about FOX: "Every country should have it's own Al Jazeera."
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Well thanks for your concern SR, I think that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me.
I know it's really hard to hear that your very own party who has been sworn to hate anything and everything that says nice things about the eeeevillll Republicans but not everyone got the memo obviously. FNC says nice things about both parties, that is why they are number one!!
You are correct however, Terry was the DNC leader and is now Chairman of Hillary Clinton's Campaign so again, you don't get much more left than that and yet he loves Fox News Channel as does Hillary!! Like I said, he is a strong leader in the democratic party.
Yes, Howard Dean the whack machine is in charge of the DNC currently. By the way, how is he working out for your party? He's doing a bang up job isn't he? The Democratic primary is as about as screwed up as one could hope for (if you were a Republican) and yet there is no end in sight. Nobody knows how to fix this abysmal mess and even though it could mean defeat for the Dems in the fall election nobody wants to criticize their own, so good old Dean hangs in there with his scream and all and continues to call the shots. You go Dean man, keep up the good work!! What goes around definitely comes around.
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razenkn wrote:
Terry McAuliffe, a huge Clinton supporter and Democratic party leader congratulated Fox News Channel immediately following the Pennsylvania election on Tuesday for being 'FAIR AND BALANCED" in their reporting of the election coverage. WOW!!
They don't get more left than Terry McAuliffe, so the liberals on here should apologize to me for all the slanderous statements made towards FNC and me. I guess they were getting some serious misinformation from their radical left wing websites that hates everyone who doesn't agree with them.
Fox News Channel always show both sides of every issue and then debate in a FAIR AND BALANCED manner. Even Ms Clinton has been appearing regularly on the morning show, Fox and Friends. Thank you Terry for setting the record straight!!!
I'm really getting concerned about your giddyness...now the bad news: ready? Terry McAuliffe doesn't represent the Democratic party..that would be Howard Dean..and Howard not not praised Fox for anything..ever..never...so back to the right-wing web sites with ya...the day you can convince anyone, including Republicans, that Fox is "fair and balanced" is a very, very long way off. Afterall, if it wasn't in Bush's pocket, you guys wouldn't watch it.
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Terry McAuliffe, a huge Clinton supporter and Democratic party leader congratulated Fox News Channel immediately following the Pennsylvania election on Tuesday for being 'FAIR AND BALANCED" in their reporting of the election coverage. WOW!!
They don't get more left than Terry McAuliffe, so the liberals on here should apologize to me for all the slanderous statements made towards FNC and me. I guess they were getting some serious misinformation from their radical left wing websites that hates everyone who doesn't agree with them.
Fox News Channel always show both sides of every issue and then debate in a FAIR AND BALANCED manner. Even Ms Clinton has been appearing regularly on the morning show, Fox and Friends. Thank you Terry for setting the record straight!!!
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| Hillary and Obama are slugging it out to determine which one will represent the Marxist Party in November.
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Righto, so what happens now? That was my question. This is the strangest election year I have ever witnessed. Whose on first, and whose on second?
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razenkn wrote: Ok folks, Hillary creamed Barack. Now what? She has won PA by 10 percentage points which at this stage of the game is fairly impressive.
Her win in PA doesn't change anything regarding the actual delegates.
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Ok folks, Hillary creamed Barack. Now what? She has won PA by 10 percentage points which at this stage of the game is fairly impressive.
Apparently the PA rural folks didn't appreciate the condescending look down my elitist nose remarks of "clinging to their religion and guns" remarks. Go figure.
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Mama you are all over the place on that response, so I'm not really sure how to reply other than I'm sorry you still hate people just because they are Mormons. I had hoped I helped you see the light. Apparently not.
It is really easy to blame the sitting President for all our ills, but I place the blame for the so-called housing "crisis" squarely on the shoulders of greedy individuals looking to make an easy and quick buck who took a gamble and lost.
Purchasing a home you cannot afford, knowing it is way over priced to begin with, purchasing it anyway with the idea in mind you can turn it around in a couple of years and make a killing on it is bad economics. Very bad. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know the housing "bubble" would have to burst at some point and guess what, it did.
Now everyone is pointing the finger at the financial institutions?? They didn't make people apply for the loans that would make them house poor, or make them take out second mortgages on over inflated valuations. They made loans based on supply and demand.
It's not the financial institutions place to give budgeting advice, they just look at the bottom line and if you can financially afford the payment, they are in the business of loaning money. They don't care if you won't be able to go on vacation or haven't allowed for possible illness or a job loss, that is your business, not theirs.
This will have to right itself and as many promises as the democratic candidates have made how they are going to "fix" the housing "stupidity" as I call it, then you will be in for a huge disappointment. They can't fix it, only time will turn things around.
Donkey's can fly???? It must be all that hot air. I'm going to look forward to that possibility.
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Mama--you doooo make me giggle..hey! so we picked up another recruit who saw the light..talking bout Arpaio.
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razenkn wrote:
Your lack of vision and understanding never cease to amaze me Mama. This post wasn't about Mitt Romney, but I see you still bitterly hold your prejudice with his Mormonism against him which is astounding. I was merely quoting him and applying that view to the previous incredibly disrespectful post in calling the three candidates "three stooges". No humor there as far as I could tell.
You also missed the second point of my post, the amount of money being wasted on TV ads, and the campaign trail is staggering. Hundreds of millions of dollars just being tossed down the drain for what? So they can be called "the three stooges"? If you don't think the system is broken then I don't know what it would take to convince you.
Don't be so sure about Mitt Romney being the past.  If McCain should choose Mitt Romney as his VP, then what would you do, what would you do??
Let's just say whereas my understanding is McCain stated the people who utilized unethical business practices with the financing of new and existing homes should not get any type government/taxpayer financial assistence and that some should go to jail for putting the country into the situation it is and I truly do not believe Romney would go that route; after all, he is a businessman, correct? And do we not currently have in someone who considers himself to be a businessman, G W Bush? And are we not in one hell of a mess? Do we not have tons of empty homes sitting everywhere and our unemployment situation getting worse by the minute? Why do you think so many finanacial institutions are supporting the Dems; they think they'll get a slap on the hand instead of jail; remember Bill Clinton and his pardons to the Wallstreeters?
As far as my feelings about Mormons, yes I don't care for them due to my past and still ongoing experiences with them in their deceptive ways, so what? Why do you care so much, hmmm??? I'm not going back into that saga. I find it amusing that once again you are using your favorite word "bitter" but this time you are the pot calling the kettle black. I dare say you are the "bitter" one -- your guy lost. As far as a VP position for him? I say "when donkeys fly."
Love, Mamazoyd
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Your lack of vision and understanding never cease to amaze me Mama. This post wasn't about Mitt Romney, but I see you still bitterly hold your prejudice with his Mormonism against him which is astounding. I was merely quoting him and applying that view to the previous incredibly disrespectful post in calling the three candidates "three stooges". No humor there as far as I could tell.
You also missed the second point of my post, the amount of money being wasted on TV ads, and the campaign trail is staggering. Hundreds of millions of dollars just being tossed down the drain for what? So they can be called "the three stooges"? If you don't think the system is broken then I don't know what it would take to convince you.
Don't be so sure about Mitt Romney being the past. If McCain should choose Mitt Romney as his VP, then what would you do, what would you do??
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The three stooges. Wow. Can you imagine spending well over $100 million dollars on your campaign as in two of the candidate's cases and having jokes about you on the internet calling you one of the three stooges? $100 million and climbing rapidly each month as the primary goes on.
We haven't even hit the main race yet and look at the amount of money being wasted here, only to be ridiculed and reduced to being called one of the three stooges. I think Mitt Romney was right on the money when he ran on the mantra "Washington Is Broken". It doesn't get much worse than this.
He's old news, he lost, get over it, let's move on.
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The three stooges. Wow. Can you imagine spending well over $100 million dollars on your campaign as in two of the candidate's cases and having jokes about you on the internet calling you one of the three stooges? $100 million and climbing rapidly each month as the primary goes on.
We haven't even hit the main race yet and look at the amount of money being wasted here, only to be ridiculed and reduced to being called one of the three stooges. I think Mitt Romney was right on the money when he ran on the mantra "Washington Is Broken". It doesn't get much worse than this.
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| I thought it was cute, but I'm sure the three stooges would have been insulted. Last edited on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 02:38 am by GEM127
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| Sorry---it was a picture of the three stooges--didn't come through. Last edited on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 01:10 am by clarz007
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Our Choices
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Don't ya love living all the way out here and getting the call for Mesa? Fortunately I didn't have to make that trip last year. Maybe you'll get lucky too.
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Yeh, Mama..ya did..but you were the only one with something positive to say about McC..altho I did contribute it was good he's under 100 yo. Sorry- your dinner seemed sorta not so hot...you could have eaten with us and listened to one of us compain about jury duty being schuled for Mesa...So, anyway, I was really referring to the hard line Pubs..you're an Indie with Pubbie sympathies...
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sometimes rational wrote: Iclarz007 wrote: My suggestion: everyone MOVE ON. The debate over who wears a lapel pin, where people go to church and who they hang out with has been beaten to death. This election should center around the economy and if the economy is the number 1 issue then so is the war. WE are stuck with 3 candidates and soon that will be narrowed down to 2 candidates. The candidates are VERY clear on the issues. So, vote for the issues--not the candidates/personalities. Clearly, they are all very flawed people.
Well, we floated a thread a while back soliciting ppl to say anything good about McCain...anything...we got no responses to speak of pro McCain, just anti Hill and Obama..and that continues on all the threads..the RePubs have nothing good to say period...personally I think we have two excellent candidates...I'm not saying they're not flawed..they're human...but 'excellent' is not a point on a scale, it's a range//Heard Obama today at the Compassion Forum..awesome, awesome..I don't know why he feels he needs to clarify everything taken out of context like when he used the word 'punished' when he spoke of kids having babies...of course the context is that the kids make mistakes..the righties probably would have another word for babies born to single teens and it wouldn't be little 'miracles'..but they jump on Obama for chacterizing an unwanted pregnancy as a 'mistake'. Tuesday should be interesting..I noticed Hannity had a guy interview ppl in Pa regarding Obama..of the 10, 8 were middle age white blue collar guys...one owned a gun store, and one had a 'fabric flag lapel pin' (t shirt)...how surprising they are leary of a intellectual black man. The was nobody of color or carrying a briefcase they could find? Two white women did say they liked Obama tho....Fox is shameless.
whoa, whoa, whoa SR -- I am pro-McCain. I've said relentlessly I like his ability to cross over. Hillary seems to be somewhat in the same context, but not as much. I thought McCain did a pretty good job this morning with George S. I noticed where George was firing pretty quick; I kind of wondered if he was attempting to get McCain's goat. O |