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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 07:04 am |
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razenkn wrote: Well thanks for your concern SR, I think that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me. 
I know it's really hard to hear that your very own party who has been sworn to hate anything and everything that says nice things about the eeeevillll Republicans but not everyone got the memo obviously. FNC says nice things about both parties, that is why they are number one!!
You are correct however, Terry was the DNC leader and is now Chairman of Hillary Clinton's Campaign so again, you don't get much more left than that and yet he loves Fox News Channel as does Hillary!! Like I said, he is a strong leader in the democratic party. 
Yes, Howard Dean the whack machine is in charge of the DNC currently. By the way, how is he working out for your party? He's doing a bang up job isn't he? The Democratic primary is as about as screwed up as one could hope for (if you were a Republican) and yet there is no end in sight. Nobody knows how to fix this abysmal mess and even though it could mean defeat for the Dems in the fall election nobody wants to criticize their own, so good old Dean hangs in there with his scream and all and continues to call the shots. You go Dean man, keep up the good work!! What goes around definitely comes around. 
RAZ..I know you find it more fun to rap the Dems than to praise your own candidate..but at least our party likes at least one of our candidates..unlike yours///altho McCain is more popular than Bush..by the way..yesterday: Bush's popularity hit a 70 year low ... Gallop poll began 70 yrs ago...hence Bush is reduced to appearing on Deal or No Deal and his wife is reduced to doing a cooking bit on Today inbetween pimping her book...by the way, what's up with Jenna Bush not falling in line behind McCain? She must feel the same as you about him
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 06:46 am |
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Good Grief raz...can't you tell when someone is "pandering"...? The Clinton campaign is trying anything and everything to get votes...they are trying to get votes from the republicans out there who are jumping ship...
Everyone with a brain knows that Faux News is anything but "fair and balanced"...
get with it...they are using Faux News for votes...open your eyes...
like John Stewart said about FOX: "Every country should have it's own Al Jazeera."
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 04:11 am |
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Well thanks for your concern SR, I think that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me.
I know it's really hard to hear that your very own party who has been sworn to hate anything and everything that says nice things about the eeeevillll Republicans but not everyone got the memo obviously. FNC says nice things about both parties, that is why they are number one!!
You are correct however, Terry was the DNC leader and is now Chairman of Hillary Clinton's Campaign so again, you don't get much more left than that and yet he loves Fox News Channel as does Hillary!! Like I said, he is a strong leader in the democratic party.
Yes, Howard Dean the whack machine is in charge of the DNC currently. By the way, how is he working out for your party? He's doing a bang up job isn't he? The Democratic primary is as about as screwed up as one could hope for (if you were a Republican) and yet there is no end in sight. Nobody knows how to fix this abysmal mess and even though it could mean defeat for the Dems in the fall election nobody wants to criticize their own, so good old Dean hangs in there with his scream and all and continues to call the shots. You go Dean man, keep up the good work!! What goes around definitely comes around.
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razenkn wrote:
Terry McAuliffe, a huge Clinton supporter and Democratic party leader congratulated Fox News Channel immediately following the Pennsylvania election on Tuesday for being 'FAIR AND BALANCED" in their reporting of the election coverage. WOW!!
They don't get more left than Terry McAuliffe, so the liberals on here should apologize to me for all the slanderous statements made towards FNC and me. I guess they were getting some serious misinformation from their radical left wing websites that hates everyone who doesn't agree with them.
Fox News Channel always show both sides of every issue and then debate in a FAIR AND BALANCED manner. Even Ms Clinton has been appearing regularly on the morning show, Fox and Friends. Thank you Terry for setting the record straight!!!
I'm really getting concerned about your giddyness...now the bad news: ready? Terry McAuliffe doesn't represent the Democratic party..that would be Howard Dean..and Howard not not praised Fox for anything..ever..never...so back to the right-wing web sites with ya...the day you can convince anyone, including Republicans, that Fox is "fair and balanced" is a very, very long way off. Afterall, if it wasn't in Bush's pocket, you guys wouldn't watch it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 01:52 am |
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Terry McAuliffe, a huge Clinton supporter and Democratic party leader congratulated Fox News Channel immediately following the Pennsylvania election on Tuesday for being 'FAIR AND BALANCED" in their reporting of the election coverage. WOW!!
They don't get more left than Terry McAuliffe, so the liberals on here should apologize to me for all the slanderous statements made towards FNC and me. I guess they were getting some serious misinformation from their radical left wing websites that hates everyone who doesn't agree with them.
Fox News Channel always show both sides of every issue and then debate in a FAIR AND BALANCED manner. Even Ms Clinton has been appearing regularly on the morning show, Fox and Friends. Thank you Terry for setting the record straight!!!
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| Hillary and Obama are slugging it out to determine which one will represent the Marxist Party in November.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 05:09 am |
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Righto, so what happens now? That was my question. This is the strangest election year I have ever witnessed. Whose on first, and whose on second?
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razenkn wrote: Ok folks, Hillary creamed Barack. Now what? She has won PA by 10 percentage points which at this stage of the game is fairly impressive.
Her win in PA doesn't change anything regarding the actual delegates.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23rd, 2008 04:02 am |
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Ok folks, Hillary creamed Barack. Now what? She has won PA by 10 percentage points which at this stage of the game is fairly impressive.
Apparently the PA rural folks didn't appreciate the condescending look down my elitist nose remarks of "clinging to their religion and guns" remarks. Go figure.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 09:11 pm |
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Mama you are all over the place on that response, so I'm not really sure how to reply other than I'm sorry you still hate people just because they are Mormons. I had hoped I helped you see the light. Apparently not.
It is really easy to blame the sitting President for all our ills, but I place the blame for the so-called housing "crisis" squarely on the shoulders of greedy individuals looking to make an easy and quick buck who took a gamble and lost.
Purchasing a home you cannot afford, knowing it is way over priced to begin with, purchasing it anyway with the idea in mind you can turn it around in a couple of years and make a killing on it is bad economics. Very bad. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know the housing "bubble" would have to burst at some point and guess what, it did.
Now everyone is pointing the finger at the financial institutions?? They didn't make people apply for the loans that would make them house poor, or make them take out second mortgages on over inflated valuations. They made loans based on supply and demand.
It's not the financial institutions place to give budgeting advice, they just look at the bottom line and if you can financially afford the payment, they are in the business of loaning money. They don't care if you won't be able to go on vacation or haven't allowed for possible illness or a job loss, that is your business, not theirs.
This will have to right itself and as many promises as the democratic candidates have made how they are going to "fix" the housing "stupidity" as I call it, then you will be in for a huge disappointment. They can't fix it, only time will turn things around.
Donkey's can fly???? It must be all that hot air. I'm going to look forward to that possibility.
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Mama--you doooo make me giggle..hey! so we picked up another recruit who saw the light..talking bout Arpaio.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 07:11 pm |
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Your lack of vision and understanding never cease to amaze me Mama. This post wasn't about Mitt Romney, but I see you still bitterly hold your prejudice with his Mormonism against him which is astounding. I was merely quoting him and applying that view to the previous incredibly disrespectful post in calling the three candidates "three stooges". No humor there as far as I could tell.
You also missed the second point of my post, the amount of money being wasted on TV ads, and the campaign trail is staggering. Hundreds of millions of dollars just being tossed down the drain for what? So they can be called "the three stooges"? If you don't think the system is broken then I don't know what it would take to convince you.
Don't be so sure about Mitt Romney being the past.  If McCain should choose Mitt Romney as his VP, then what would you do, what would you do??
Let's just say whereas my understanding is McCain stated the people who utilized unethical business practices with the financing of new and existing homes should not get any type government/taxpayer financial assistence and that some should go to jail for putting the country into the situation it is and I truly do not believe Romney would go that route; after all, he is a businessman, correct? And do we not currently have in someone who considers himself to be a businessman, G W Bush? And are we not in one hell of a mess? Do we not have tons of empty homes sitting everywhere and our unemployment situation getting worse by the minute? Why do you think so many finanacial institutions are supporting the Dems; they think they'll get a slap on the hand instead of jail; remember Bill Clinton and his pardons to the Wallstreeters?
As far as my feelings about Mormons, yes I don't care for them due to my past and still ongoing experiences with them in their deceptive ways, so what? Why do you care so much, hmmm??? I'm not going back into that saga. I find it amusing that once again you are using your favorite word "bitter" but this time you are the pot calling the kettle black. I dare say you are the "bitter" one -- your guy lost. As far as a VP position for him? I say "when donkeys fly."
Love, Mamazoyd
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Your lack of vision and understanding never cease to amaze me Mama. This post wasn't about Mitt Romney, but I see you still bitterly hold your prejudice with his Mormonism against him which is astounding. I was merely quoting him and applying that view to the previous incredibly disrespectful post in calling the three candidates "three stooges". No humor there as far as I could tell.
You also missed the second point of my post, the amount of money being wasted on TV ads, and the campaign trail is staggering. Hundreds of millions of dollars just being tossed down the drain for what? So they can be called "the three stooges"? If you don't think the system is broken then I don't know what it would take to convince you.
Don't be so sure about Mitt Romney being the past. If McCain should choose Mitt Romney as his VP, then what would you do, what would you do??
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:25 pm |
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razenkn wrote:
The three stooges. Wow. Can you imagine spending well over $100 million dollars on your campaign as in two of the candidate's cases and having jokes about you on the internet calling you one of the three stooges? $100 million and climbing rapidly each month as the primary goes on.
We haven't even hit the main race yet and look at the amount of money being wasted here, only to be ridiculed and reduced to being called one of the three stooges. I think Mitt Romney was right on the money when he ran on the mantra "Washington Is Broken". It doesn't get much worse than this.
He's old news, he lost, get over it, let's move on.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 04:03 am |
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The three stooges. Wow. Can you imagine spending well over $100 million dollars on your campaign as in two of the candidate's cases and having jokes about you on the internet calling you one of the three stooges? $100 million and climbing rapidly each month as the primary goes on.
We haven't even hit the main race yet and look at the amount of money being wasted here, only to be ridiculed and reduced to being called one of the three stooges. I think Mitt Romney was right on the money when he ran on the mantra "Washington Is Broken". It doesn't get much worse than this.
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| I thought it was cute, but I'm sure the three stooges would have been insulted. Last edited on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 02:38 am by GEM127
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 01:09 am |
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| Sorry---it was a picture of the three stooges--didn't come through. Last edited on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 01:10 am by clarz007
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 01:00 am |
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Our Choices
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Don't ya love living all the way out here and getting the call for Mesa?  Fortunately I didn't have to make that trip last year. Maybe you'll get lucky too.
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Yeh, Mama..ya did..but you were the only one with something positive to say about McC..altho I did contribute it was good he's under 100 yo. Sorry- your dinner seemed sorta not so hot...you could have eaten with us and listened to one of us compain about jury duty being schuled for Mesa...So, anyway, I was really referring to the hard line Pubs..you're an Indie with Pubbie sympathies...
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sometimes rational wrote: Iclarz007 wrote: My suggestion: everyone MOVE ON. The debate over who wears a lapel pin, where people go to church and who they hang out with has been beaten to death. This election should center around the economy and if the economy is the number 1 issue then so is the war. WE are stuck with 3 candidates and soon that will be narrowed down to 2 candidates. The candidates are VERY clear on the issues. So, vote for the issues--not the candidates/personalities. Clearly, they are all very flawed people.
Well, we floated a thread a while back soliciting ppl to say anything good about McCain...anything...we got no responses to speak of pro McCain, just anti Hill and Obama..and that continues on all the threads..the RePubs have nothing good to say period...personally I think we have two excellent candidates...I'm not saying they're not flawed..they're human...but 'excellent' is not a point on a scale, it's a range//Heard Obama today at the Compassion Forum..awesome, awesome..I don't know why he feels he needs to clarify everything taken out of context like when he used the word 'punished' when he spoke of kids having babies...of course the context is that the kids make mistakes..the righties probably would have another word for babies born to single teens and it wouldn't be little 'miracles'..but they jump on Obama for chacterizing an unwanted pregnancy as a 'mistake'. Tuesday should be interesting..I noticed Hannity had a guy interview ppl in Pa regarding Obama..of the 10, 8 were middle age white blue collar guys...one owned a gun store, and one had a 'fabric flag lapel pin' (t shirt)...how surprising they are leary of a intellectual black man. The was nobody of color or carrying a briefcase they could find? Two white women did say they liked Obama tho....Fox is shameless.
whoa, whoa, whoa SR -- I am pro-McCain. I've said relentlessly I like his ability to cross over. Hillary seems to be somewhat in the same context, but not as much. I thought McCain did a pretty good job this morning with George S. I noticed where George was firing pretty quick; I kind of wondered if he was attempting to get McCain's goat. On the question of his temper, I did like McCain's response of, of course he was passionate about certain situations. I'm kind of like that myself.
In an argument at dinner with the forever guest of 87, I do think, however, I am going to start looking at who can fix this healthcare system. The old dude (hey, free to good home!) cusses social security for whatever reason; hell, he wouldn't have anything coming in were it not for that so a rational person would ask why is he cussing it? Great question. He's a former front line WW2 Marine vet. Thinks the world owes him a living -- he thinks he should not have to pay a cent for medical, not even his co-pay. The country doesn't work that way we keep telling him. Then he spouts off that people shouldn't have children if they're going not going to take care of them and they get sick...huh??? And exactly how does one tell if one is going to have a child that becomes ill and it's our fault, like we planned this? I planned my child's pneumonia and almost death when he was 4?
Anyhow to get back to the subject, if anyone can make any real convincing arguments about health care that is being thrown around by the candidates, please expound. Now, I'm not sure of Hillary's since her first one was soundly trounced. Does she have a fully supported fully approved item in the works?
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Iclarz007 wrote: My suggestion: everyone MOVE ON. The debate over who wears a lapel pin, where people go to church and who they hang out with has been beaten to death. This election should center around the economy and if the economy is the number 1 issue then so is the war. WE are stuck with 3 candidates and soon that will be narrowed down to 2 candidates. The candidates are VERY clear on the issues. So, vote for the issues--not the candidates/personalities. Clearly, they are all very flawed people.
Well, we floated a thread a while back soliciting ppl to say anything good about McCain...anything...we got no responses to speak of pro McCain, just anti Hill and Obama..and that continues on all the threads..the RePubs have nothing good to say period...personally I think we have two excellent candidates...I'm not saying they're not flawed..they're human...but 'excellent' is not a point on a scale, it's a range//Heard Obama today at the Compassion Forum..awesome, awesome..I don't know why he feels he needs to clarify everything taken out of context like when he used the word 'punished' when he spoke of kids having babies...of course the context is that the kids make mistakes..the righties probably would have another word for babies born to single teens and it wouldn't be little 'miracles'..but they jump on Obama for chacterizing an unwanted pregnancy as a 'mistake'. Tuesday should be interesting..I noticed Hannity had a guy interview ppl in Pa regarding Obama..of the 10, 8 were middle age white blue collar guys...one owned a gun store, and one had a 'fabric flag lapel pin' (t shirt)...how surprising they are leary of a intellectual black man. The was nobody of color or carrying a briefcase they could find? Two white women did say they liked Obama tho....Fox is shameless.
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We are talking about the "character" issues because for the first time we are actually seeing who Barack Obama the man who wants to be OUR President is. His campaign has kept him under wrap the entire time since announcing his candidacy and the liberal media have responded in kind until now.
Once the unwrapping of Senator Obama could no longer be ignored, the layers started peeling rapidly and that has the far left, not democrats, far left coming unglued. They absolutely do not want us to know how far left this most liberal Senator is because the questions begin. Their meltdown over a few direct questions being asked by their own party is almost bizarre which exposes how much control the far left feel they have over the democratic party.
It's not just about lapel pins, or his pastor, or his choice of radicals who he associates with, or his wife's angry statements, it's about who Barack Obama really is with the mask off that is creating the stir and allowing people to take a second and third look to see who he really is.
Yes the left would love for us to let all of this go by the wayside, ignore the glaring red flags and move on to issues, however, that isn't likely to happen anytime soon nor should it. Since when hasn't character been a big issue in a Presidential race? Does that issue only apply to Republican candidates? How soon everyone forgets on here the pounding Rudy was given over his personal life and choices during the debates. You didn't hear him whining about it though because it's expected and goes with the territory, no one is above being questioned.
Obama's reaction to all of the questions have been more telling than the questions themselves. He appears to be rattled, annoyed, changes his answers often, and sorry to say this but arrogantly condescending to those who dare question him. Not good characteristics to have if you are seeking the highest office in the world. So hang tight because the questions will continue until they are answered in such a way that people can let it go and move on. So far that hasn't been accomplished.
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| My suggestion: everyone MOVE ON. The debate over who wears a lapel pin, where people go to church and who they hang out with has been beaten to death. This election should center around the economy and if the economy is the number 1 issue then so is the war. WE are stuck with 3 candidates and soon that will be narrowed down to 2 candidates. The candidates are VERY clear on the issues. So, vote for the issues--not the candidates/personalities. Clearly, they are all very flawed people.
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| Vote Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!
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max22 wrote: Hey SR...did you get your flag pin yet...? LOL...
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m going to wait til after the election...the Repubs will be selling theirs on EBay very cheaply....Ya sen the new bumper sticker, 'DRAFT REPUBLICANS' ? those two words say an awful lot.
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Obama - Has a personal relationship with William Ayers, self admitted bomber of the Pentagon, the NYC Police Headquarters and other government buildings. Just in 2001 commenting on 9/11 said he wishes he could have done more. Dont know this guy, so a little more clarity please. Once again did I miss something cause I dont remember hearing about all these bombing . Yes 9/11, but all those others I thought we were winning the war on terror and we are keeping it overseas by fighting in Iraq.
This was a planted question by non other then the insane Sean Hannity himself.
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razenkn wrote:
It is easy enough to break off little pieces of my post in a feeble attempt to minimize my point, but since some on here don't seem able to connect the dots, let me do a quick synopsis to help you out. One or two by themselves, a little disconcerning but not major, but put it all together -- very distubring.
Obama -- Chooses NOT to wear US Flag pin on lapel. Did I miss something? When did this become required attire to run for president?
Obama - Caught not placing hand over heart during Pledge of Allegiance. Ok, this seems a bit odd. I have seen him do it too.
Obama - Sits in Pew of church for 20 years that preaches Anti-Americanism, hates whites (especially rich whites), same church whose Pastor traveled to Libya with Louis Farrakhan to visit Kodafi known terrorist, calls Israel a dirty word, says G.. D... America during sermon. Pastor married him and baptised his children. The pastor is not running for president so who cares. If this were policy then nobody who ever voted for daddy Bush could run for president cause he is best buds with the Saudis who are terrorist supporters and the 19 identified hijackers. So how did little Bush get in if you have that mentality?
Obama - Lied about not knowing what his Pastor believes. This is just dumb cause unless your a mind reader you will never know what someone believes.
Obama - Marched in the Million Man March led by Louis Farrakhan a well known proud racist. This would be another dumb comment, so every person who marched in that rally including all the politicians who came out to support the cause are Farrakhan supporters? Look for another straw to grasp that one is really weak
Obama - Has a personal relationship with William Ayers, self admitted bomber of the Pentagon, the NYC Police Headquarters and other government buildings. Just in 2001 commenting on 9/11 said he wishes he could have done more. Dont know this guy, so a little more clarity please. Once again did I miss something cause I dont remember hearing about all these bombing . Yes 9/11, but all those others I thought we were winning the war on terror and we are keeping it overseas by fighting in Iraq.
Michelle Obama - Has never been proud of her country her whole adult life and believes America to be mean. She is not running for president. So what.
Obama - believes small town Americans are bitter and cling to their guns and religion, antipathy towards anyone not like them (prejudiced). Wow truth hurts sometimes doesnt it. Some of those little towns would rather die than see anything change for the better of the country, better to go down with the ship then patch up the holes in it.
Well, that is the current flap, there is much more to come no doubt. Any one of these items by themselves, not good. Collectively, A HUGE RED FLAG that we better pay attention to. It is a tragedy the liberals are so hell bent on getting their party into power that they can't see the danger here or are just choosing to ignore.
You know I am not a big fan of Obama. Raz these are pretty flimsy cases to base a debate to end his presidency. Although I would rather see Hilary in office over Obama and either or over Mcidiot since he doesnt see a problem or even remember who our enemies really are.... Last edited on Fri Apr 18th, 2008 11:41 pm by LucifersLandlord
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raz said:
As far as Obama out on the stump whining and pretending to flick it away as though it is no more bothersome than a piece of lint on his shoulder (which was incredibly arrogant don't you think?) shows his immaturity and lack of depth. He did not respond well to the hard line of questioning, and doesn't seem to do well without relying upon his pat stump answers on policy matters. He steps into it on a regualr basis when caught off guard or when he thinks nobody else is able to listen other than his target crowd.
I should have put the site in before....I have listened to a few news programs and not one person has mentioned what their media darling did but his audience sure enjoyed it
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_fingers_a_gotcha_debate.html
I think flipping the bird was a bit shoddier....not once but twice....how childish can you get
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Just an FYI, Charlie Rose and George Stephanopolis are liberal. The debate was completely orchestrated by the Dems. Sorry, we can't take a hit on that one either. It is also Hillary who is out there laughing at him about not being able to take a punch like a man, she said she has had to do it her whole political life and that this wasn't nothing compared to what he would have to endure if he makes it to the Oval Office. She actually said he was whining, and that is where I picked it up from. Not the Hannity.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 11:00 pm |
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It is easy enough to break off little pieces of my post in a feeble attempt to minimize my point, but since some on here don't seem able to connect the dots, let me do a quick synopsis to help you out. One or two by themselves, a little disconcerning but not major, but put it all together -- very distubring.
Obama -- Chooses NOT to wear US Flag pin on lapel.
Obama - Caught not placing hand over heart during Pledge of Allegiance.
Obama - Sits in Pew of church for 20 years that preaches Anti-Americanism, hates whites (especially rich whites), same church whose Pastor traveled to Libya with Louis Farrakhan to visit Kodafi known terrorist, calls Israel a dirty word, says G.. D... America during sermon. Pastor married him and baptised his children.
Obama - Lied about not knowing what his Pastor believes.
Obama - Marched in the Million Man March led by Louis Farrakhan a well known proud racist.
Obama - Has a personal relationship with William Ayers, self admitted bomber of the Pentagon, the NYC Police Headquarters and other government buildings. Just in 2001 commenting on 9/11 said he wishes he could have done more.
Michelle Obama - Has never been proud of her country her whole adult life and believes America to be mean.
Obama - believes small town Americans are bitter and cling to their guns and religion, antipathy towards anyone not like them (prejudiced).
Well, that is the current flap, there is much more to come no doubt. Any one of these items by themselves, not good. Collectively, A HUGE RED FLAG that we better pay attention to. It is a tragedy the liberals are so hell bent on getting their party into power that they can't see the danger here or are just choosing to ignore.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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| Hey SR...did you get your flag pin yet...? LOL...
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| Yo! Raz===we'll get over George Bush when you get over George Soros...at least the latter never did anything to cause more than three thousand american servicemen and women to die.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 06:36 pm |
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azsu wrote: As far as Obama out on the stump whining and pretending to flick it away as though it is no more bothersome than a piece of lint on his shoulder (which was incredibly arrogant don't you think?) shows his immaturity and lack of depth. He did not respond well to the hard line of questioning, and doesn't seem to do well without relying upon his pat stump answers on policy matters. He steps into it on a regualr basis when caught off guard or when he thinks nobody else is able to listen other than his target crowd.
I think flipping the bird was a bit shoddier....not once but twice....how childish can you get
Hard line of questioning - he couldn't even answer the question on what his stand was on gun control. Finally after he rambled on and on saying nothing, Charlie Gibson went to Clinton and said will you answer the question since Obama wouldn't. Was he afraid he would have mis-spoke and have to back peddle on his answer - something he continues to do.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 05:01 pm |
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As far as Obama out on the stump whining and pretending to flick it away as though it is no more bothersome than a piece of lint on his shoulder (which was incredibly arrogant don't you think?) shows his immaturity and lack of depth. He did not respond well to the hard line of questioning, and doesn't seem to do well without relying upon his pat stump answers on policy matters. He steps into it on a regualr basis when caught off guard or when he thinks nobody else is able to listen other than his target crowd.
I think flipping the bird was a bit shoddier....not once but twice....how childish can you get
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 04:29 pm |
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max wrote...
no wonder you voted for Bush...look at the people he surrounds himself with...and you say nothing about that...
Hey everyone...forget about gas prices, education, healthcare, housing, the war, torture, veterans care, the economy, etc... lets worry about more important issues like flag pins...according to raz...that's what is important.
I don't say anything about who President Bush surrounds himself with because one, I don't see anything wrong with who he hangs with and two, he's not running in this election. You people will really need to work on getting over him, whenever you can't defend the democratic candidates you resort back to Bush bashing. Maybe some counseling would be helpful.
I already agreed with you that the issues need to be talked about but until they address the character flaw issues, the other things won't matter because unless they can put them to rest, they won't be the President to take care of the real issues.
As far as Obama out on the stump whining and pretending to flick it away as though it is no more bothersome than a piece of lint on his shoulder (which was incredibly arrogant don't you think?) shows his immaturity and lack of depth. He did not respond well to the hard line of questioning, and doesn't seem to do well without relying upon his pat stump answers on policy matters. He steps into it on a regualr basis when caught off guard or when he thinks nobody else is able to listen other than his target crowd.
As President what would he do when asked the hard questions on a regular basis by the big boys (as President Bush gets hammered every time he steps up to the podium) during the press conferences, will he flick them off too? They aren't near as kind and polite as Charlie and George, will he go out the next day and whine and say he isn't going to play anymore like he's saying about not doing anymore debates?
MoveOn.Org a.k.a. GEORGE SOROS, has said they are so furious over the line of questioning that they are going to get together a petition to prevent the debates from being able to ask such questions in the future. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This just shows how much MoveOn.Org believes they own the democratic party, who gives them the right to dictate what is asked and what isn't?
The Dems have made a deal with the devil, all for money. Very disturbing. If MoveOn.org/GEORGE SOROS feel they can control the election, wait until their candidate gets into the highest office in the World. They are already running Congress Nancy and Harry. 
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max22 wrote: You guys crack me up. I just read these exact same talking points from the Daily Kos, and Barack Obama's website, what a surprise!!!! And here all this time I thought your posts were your own. The words "gotcha" and "trivial" were very popular on both.
Let's see, according to you hanging with a bomber, a REAL bomber, a Hate America bomber is trivial. Putting down small town America in an elitist snobby manner is no big deal. Not willing to wear the US Flag pin on his lapel, not important. Sittiing in a church pew for 20 years listening to "hate America" and "hate whites" just silly chatter. His wife saying she has never been proud of her country in her adult life and that America is a mean country, girl talk? Barack has surrounded himself with these people and he has said what he has said. Non issues?? You want this guy to be the next President of our country, and you think these are just non-issues? What does he have to do before you decide he may not be the person to lead our great country, kill somebody?
If this was reversed, and the republican candidate was hanging with similar right wing nutjobs, UMMM..Raz.....the current Republican President has been surrounding himself with "similar right wing nutjobs" ...so...RAZ..it's not news anymore ...know what we're saying babe? it would be on the front page of every paper from San Francisco to the NY Times every single day and you know it. Nobody is over reacting here, we are worried for our country. Party isn't the issue here, although some keep trying to make it that, it's about electing a true American, somebody that doesn't have to convince us he really loves our country. Don't you get that?
no wonder you voted for Bush...look at the people he surrounds himself with...and you say nothing about that...
Hey everyone...forget about gas prices, education, healthcare, housing, the war, torture, veterans care, the economy, etc... lets worry about more important issues like flag pins...according to raz...that's what is important.
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You guys crack me up. I just read these exact same talking points from the Daily Kos, and Barack Obama's website, what a surprise!!!! And here all this time I thought your posts were your own. The words "gotcha" and "trivial" were very popular on both.
Let's see, according to you hanging with a bomber, a REAL bomber, a Hate America bomber is trivial. Putting down small town America in an elitist snobby manner is no big deal. Not willing to wear the US Flag pin on his lapel, not important. Sittiing in a church pew for 20 years listening to "hate America" and "hate whites" just silly chatter. His wife saying she has never been proud of her country in her adult life and that America is a mean country, girl talk? Barack has surrounded himself with these people and he has said what he has said. Non issues?? You want this guy to be the next President of our country, and you think these are just non-issues? What does he have to do before you decide he may not be the person to lead our great country, kill somebody?
If this was reversed, and the republican candidate was hanging with similar right wing nutjobs, it would be on the front page of every paper from San Francisco to the NY Times every single day and you know it. Nobody is over reacting here, we are worried for our country. Party isn't the issue here, although some keep trying to make it that, it's about electing a true American, somebody that doesn't have to convince us he really loves our country. Don't you get that?
no wonder you voted for Bush...look at the people he surrounds himself with...and you say nothing about that...
Hey everyone...forget about gas prices, education, healthcare, housing, the war, torture, veterans care, the economy, etc... lets worry about more important issues like flag pins...according to raz...that's what is important.
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razenkn wrote: The Democratic debate last evening was very informative. I give ABC an A+. There were no softball questions and went right to the controversial issues which need to be answered directly or they will continue to come up. I would think Obama would have appreciated the opportunity to set the record straight but instead he wasn't happy about it. He wants to change the subject to issues which are no doubt vitally important but nobody will talk about them until he straightens out the controversies. Hillary has used them against him time and time again.
However, instead of being grateful, Obama was highly agitated over this change in tactic and summarily dismissed the entire debate in which he came out looking angry and exposed, by flicking his fingers as to rid himself of a piece of lint. Very charming, but it won't hold up in court. (court of public opinion)
Barack did not have the answers supporters needed to hear in order to stand behind him on the subject of his Crazy Pastor and his Crazy terrorist friend, William Ayers. In fact, he created more questions than answers so this won't be the last we have heard of either of them.
Obama's campaign said he is friendly with Ayers. When he decided to run for the Illinois state legislator, he had his campaign strategy meeting at Ayers house. He served on a board with Mr Ayers for several years. His kids go to school together. He has given speeches with him. In other words, he likes the guy and apparently doesn't believe the guy did anything wrong in bombing the Pentagon, the Capital and the NYC PD Headquarters. He was not convicted because of CIA screw up on a technicality, not because he wasn't guilty since he has admitted doing it openly. In fact on 9/11 Ayers said he wished he had done more. Barack blows it off saying that he was only 8 years old when Ayers did all of this. But despite knowing that about Ayers, Obama still maintains his relationship with the guy. Disturbing??? Oh hell yeah.
Michelle Obama - "The US is a mean country" and she has "never been proud of her country her whole adult life until now". Nice if you'd provide the entire quote and context even when it doesn't suit your agenda.
Barack Obama -- I do not need to wear a flag lapel pin, I love my country.....really, I love it. I show my patriotism in other ways.......By not covering your heart with your hand during the pledge of allegiance? Attending a church for 20 years that applauds when Pastor Crazy screams G.. D... America!!! US of KKK A.... or Marching in the Million Man March led by Louis Farrakhan?
The only candidate that actually has to try to convince people he loves his country and never gives a reason why he doesn't wear the flag pin. It's not that he doesn't, it's the fact he makes a conscious decision NOT to. Obama doesn't feel the need to wear a prop, which is exactly what the lapel pin is...all the lapel pins in the world won't provide intelligence, vision and ability..Bush, Cheney and Rummy wore lapel pins...guess that counts a lot with you.
If Obama supporters aren't in the least disturbed by any of this, then our country has a bigger problem than we thought and it is only going to get worse if we put these hard left to the core die hards in power. NO, it really doesn't...we're more concerned with war, security, economy, education and healthcare then who is wearing lapel pins, or pant suits, or bow ties, or ..whatever.
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| What difference does it really make which candidate wins the presidency? America has one of the most corrupt governments in the western world. The Washington establishment is bought and paid for before they get in office. Anyone who actually believes the new president is going to significantly change the money flow system is dreaming. Remember the buzzword "change" does not automatically mean change for the better.Be careful what you ask for,you may get it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 03:31 am |
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max22 wrote: Are you kidding...the debate was lame...it was a trivial waste of time. I don't know what debate you were watching but the one I saw was terrible
I guess raz considers, Rev. Wright, flag pins, the Weathermen, and lack of sniper fire in Bosnia to be real issues. Let's not forget the whole "bitter" non-issue.
The real issues got passed up for "gotcha politics". Gas prices, the housing crisis, health care, the war in Iraq, torture, education, unemployment, etc..., those are the real issues, not whether or not your a real American by wearing a flag pin. Instead we get some kind of gossip tv show. No wonder Obama was a little less impressed with the debate. it was a sham...ABC should be ashamed of themselves. They had a chance to put real issues on the table and they blew it with a "fox news" style blab fest of non-issue questions.
Wow...way to stay on top of what's really important raz. You keep doing a fine job with the non-issues and the rest of us will focus on the "real" issues...
You guys crack me up. I just read these exact same talking points from the Daily Kos, and Barack Obama's website, what a surprise!!!! And here all this time I thought your posts were your own. The words "gotcha" and "trivial" were very popular on both.
Let's see, according to you hanging with a bomber, a REAL bomber, a Hate America bomber is trivial. Putting down small town America in an elitist snobby manner is no big deal. Not willing to wear the US Flag pin on his lapel, not important. Sittiing in a church pew for 20 years listening to "hate America" and "hate whites" just silly chatter. His wife saying she has never been proud of her country in her adult life and that America is a mean country, girl talk? Barack has surrounded himself with these people and he has said what he has said. Non issues?? You want this guy to be the next President of our country, and you think these are just non-issues? What does he have to do before you decide he may not be the person to lead our great country, kill somebody?
If this was reversed, and the republican candidate was hanging with similar right wing nutjobs, it would be on the front page of every paper from San Francisco to the NY Times every single day and you know it. Nobody is over reacting here, we are worried for our country. Party isn't the issue here, although some keep trying to make it that, it's about electing a true American, somebody that doesn't have to convince us he really loves our country. Don't you get that?
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Posted: Fri Apr 18th, 2008 12:43 am |
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Are you kidding...the debate was lame...it was a trivial waste of time. I don't know what debate you were watching but the one I saw was terrible
I guess raz considers, Rev. Wright, flag pins, the Weathermen, and lack of sniper fire in Bosnia to be real issues. Let's not forget the whole "bitter" non-issue.
The real issues got passed up for "gotcha politics". Gas prices, the housing crisis, health care, the war in Iraq, torture, education, unemployment, etc..., those are the real issues, not whether or not your a real American by wearing a flag pin. Instead we get some kind of gossip tv show. No wonder Obama was a little less impressed with the debate. it was a sham...ABC should be ashamed of themselves. They had a chance to put real issues on the table and they blew it with a "fox news" style blab fest of non-issue questions.
Wow...way to stay on top of what's really important raz. You keep doing a fine job with the non-issues and the rest of us will focus on the "real" issues...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200804170007?f=h_top
http://mediamatters.org/altercation/200804170004?f=h_top
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That debate should have been on America Funniest Home Videos.
Obama put his foot in his mouth with the very first question and couldn't get it out the whole debate. He didn't have an answer for any question he was given.
I though Hillary made a little more sense but not much more.
So Wednesday night was comedy night here anyway.
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