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BikerDude
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 11:47 pm |
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BB35 wrote:
SCG will be filled with empty houses being gutted by thieves. No this is not far fetched, it is happening all over the country. This will totally destroy the value of what property is left intact.. And the Association can do nothing about it...
I don't think we will have any problem taking care of the "house gutting thieves".
We have a lot of desert out here and I have a shovel.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 10:55 pm |
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BB35 wrote:
SCG will be filled with empty houses being gutted by thieves. No this is not far fetched, it is happening all over the country. This will totally destroy the value of what property is left intact.. And the Association can do nothing about it...
It is the most far fetched post on this board. I am very active in this community and I guarantee you BB35 my friends and I could handle to double or triple the association fees. I may be wrong, but I truly believe you are in a very small minority when you say you live on a fixed income. Most of us planned well for our retirements. Our bills are less than $500 a month and that is for cell phones, high speed internet, 250 TV channels, etc. Certainly not necessity items. Most of my neighbors are young, under 65 and have planned well.
Outside of SCG - we just sold a travel trailer. A big one with a slide out. We didn't expect to get any calls because of the gas prices. We were bombarded with phone calls and ended up having two people bid against each other to get it. There are a lot of people out there who can ride the storm of this recession.
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CatholicMom
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 06:07 pm |
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Here's what my dad says:
The greens were planted with tennis court grass instead of a grass
recommended for greens and the drainage system wasn't properly installed.
SCG is experimenting with improving the drainage system on some of the
greens.
Apparantly, this is true because the Director of Golf didn't dispute it.
SCG is researching the problem and will comment on a later date.
CM
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cindisue_g
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 04:46 pm |
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| You are more than welcome BB35. I would doubt that there is any government dollars to pay for this, since it is a recreation amenity. It will be up to us to fix the problem unless the builder and contractor help somewhat. It probably got unearthed when they were doing studies on the problem with the greens and the possible replacement of the grasses to help play. I would really rather have them pay for the fixing of the problems now without taking dollars from the reserve (we are going to possibly need major repairs as we age) - we could increase golf fees, increase the yearly association fees and if we amortize it over some years the impact could possibly be small to each home owner.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 04:19 pm |
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Thinks for the information. I wonder if the golf course problems could be included in the mass lawsuit against Pulte???
Why did this problem suddenly surface after all these years???
The most important thing is to get at least two other expert opinions on this matter before committing large sums of money...
We need to find out if any Government money is available for projects such as this...
Interesting about the palm trees... As a native of AZ, I have always avoided palm trees on my properties. Palm trees are very expensive to maintain and the roots will push up side walks and damage building foundations... Palm trees are pretty if located on someone else's property....
I figured the golf courses were a ticking financial time bomb. I suggest tax the ones that benefit from the golf courses, including the houses on the courses...
I heard that the yearly association fees are going up.. With the value of the dollar falling, I expected it.
Most of us live on fixed incomes. The phony Social Security raise of 2% was a joke when the real inflation rate is over 11% caused by the crooked Fed printing too many dollars to bail out their Wall Street cronies...
The big danger is, with the worst of the financial crunch still ahead (plus large fed and state tax increases and $5-10 gas), is if the fees are raised too much people will start to walk away from homes.
Maricopa county is a "red" zone (high foreclosures) for mortgage lenders making it hard to sell. Plus mortgage rates are rising.
SCG will be filled with empty houses being gutted by thieves. No this is not far fetched, it is happening all over the country. This will totally destroy the value of what property is left intact.. And the Association can do nothing about it...
I don't envy the association folks. I wish them the best and hope they can save our pretty SCG.
Last edited on Thu May 1st, 2008 04:38 pm by BB35
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cindisue_g
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 02:00 pm |
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sometimes rational wrote: cindisue_g wrote: BB35, as I said it had something to do with replacing all the grass, as well as additional problems they came across. Here is a what the article in the Daily News Sun states that for the next three summers, one of Sun City Grand's four golf courses might be closed to replace unacceptable greens. Apparently the grass on the greens is more appropriate for tennis courts and the pipes for the green's drainage system are placed too far underneath the greens. They said the greens at Cimarron and Granite Falls North and South were rough and not smooth. And that the drainage pipes should have been placed at 24 inches under ground, instead of 4 to 5 feet. The article also alluded that there was a disconnect between the builder and the golf course contractor.
Looks like this could be a very pricey problem to fix for Sun City Grand. Hopefully it does not mean that we have to dip into those all important reserves. Interesting that you're opposed to contributing towards fixing the golf courses where you live but you're happy to help pay to send the Sheriff's mgrs to Hondurous on vacation...oh, well...perhaps you're thinking you'll get to go with them.
Where did I say I was opposed to contributing toward fixing the golf courses? What I said was: Hopefully it does not mean that we have to dip into those all important reserves (please check your reading and comprehensive skills). And I will say it again, I hope we don't have to dip into our reserves. It doesn't say I don't think we should pay for the problem to be fixed. I feel that there are other avenues to pay for the problem other than using reserves at this early stage of the community.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 06:21 am |
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cindisue_g wrote: BB35, as I said it had something to do with replacing all the grass, as well as additional problems they came across. Here is a what the article in the Daily News Sun states that for the next three summers, one of Sun City Grand's four golf courses might be closed to replace unacceptable greens. Apparently the grass on the greens is more appropriate for tennis courts and the pipes for the green's drainage system are placed too far underneath the greens. They said the greens at Cimarron and Granite Falls North and South were rough and not smooth. And that the drainage pipes should have been placed at 24 inches under ground, instead of 4 to 5 feet. The article also alluded that there was a disconnect between the builder and the golf course contractor.
Looks like this could be a very pricey problem to fix for Sun City Grand. Hopefully it does not mean that we have to dip into those all important reserves. Interesting that you're opposed to contributing towards fixing the golf courses where you live but you're happy to help pay to send the Sheriff's mgrs to Hondurous on vacation...oh, well...perhaps you're thinking you'll get to go with them.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 03:47 am |
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BB35, as I said it had something to do with replacing all the grass, as well as additional problems they came across. Here is a what the article in the Daily News Sun states that for the next three summers, one of Sun City Grand's four golf courses might be closed to replace unacceptable greens. Apparently the grass on the greens is more appropriate for tennis courts and the pipes for the green's drainage system are placed too far underneath the greens. They said the greens at Cimarron and Granite Falls North and South were rough and not smooth. And that the drainage pipes should have been placed at 24 inches under ground, instead of 4 to 5 feet. The article also alluded that there was a disconnect between the builder and the golf course contractor.
Looks like this could be a very pricey problem to fix for Sun City Grand. Hopefully it does not mean that we have to dip into those all important reserves.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 01:33 am |
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I haven't heard anything major for the grass, but we have a huge problem with the palm trees:
02-11-05-07- Date Palm Trees – Cimarron Golf Course--Opened to research how many of the 110 Date Palms that were removed because of disease would need to be replaced.
Discovery: 110 Date Palm Trees were removed 2 or 3 years ago because of an infestation of the “Palm Borer Beetle.”
Challenges: (1) Replacing trees with trees of the same size (40 to 50 feet in height); (2) getting the trees onto the golf course; (3) finding vendors to provide bids to supply the trees and (4) finding vendors to provide bids to install the trees.
Options: (1) Replace all 110 trees removed (2) Only replace the trees in areas where they are needed to complete the theme or aesthetics (3) Use a mixture of Date Palm Trees and Mexican Fan Palm Trees to reduce the cost – Mexican Fan Palm Trees are readily available and are somewhat shorter.
Findings: In reviewing the area identified the following:There are several areas where the trees that had to be removed are on the ends of a row of 7 to 10 trees; in these areas. It would not be necessary to replace the trees because there is no gap in the line. In several locations the trees that were removed are in the middle of a line, leaving large gaps and giving the appearance of goal posts, these will need to be replaced.1. There are also a couple of areas that are completely missing trees, and to retain the theme of the golf course, would need to be replaced because the area left is bare.2. Trees cost about $4,500 per tree delivered and installed.3. There are only two major Date Palm Tree suppliers that would be interested in supplying and shipping trees of this size.4. Growers will not warranty trees, since the major cause of death of trees is improper installation or over or under watering after it has been planted. The growers do not install the trees.5. Of the 110 trees removed 52 absolutely need to be replaced.
Staff Action and Suggestions:This is a large investment and needs to be supervised by a licensed Arborist. Recommend hiring an Arborist for a set contract price determined prior to the project starting. The arborist will assist in writing the tree specifications, help choose the grower, inspect the trees upon arrival, inspect the trees after they have been installed and establish an appropriate water schedule for the time of year the trees are installed.
Next Step: 4/2/08 Getting Bids from Arborist to oversee the project. Follow up on getting the written estimates from all three installers that were previously contacted as well as the two suppliers. Note that bids may need to be re-done to incorporate the needs identified by the Arborist if the SCG Board of Directors authorizes the hiring of an arborist.
Present Status: On hold until bids from arborists are received.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 01:09 am |
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| I heard something about replacing the type of grass used and then possible construction defects. According to the golf committee minutes, the March 27th Board meeting approved that a letter be written to Pulte regarding possible construct defects on greens.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 12:27 am |
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I'm not a golfer, but don't they replace the grass twice a year every year ??
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 11:59 pm |
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I'll ask my dad - he works for one of them 
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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| BB35, I'm not sure if this is it - but there is talk about replacing the grass on 4 golf courses.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 05:07 pm |
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I read a front page article in the Daily News-Sun 4/29 regarding some kind of problem with the golf course grass that requires hundreds of thousands of bucks to fix... If this is true then raise the golf course prices to pay the bill....
Smells fishy...
Can anyone explain the problem and who are the so called experts that has made this statement????
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