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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 09:16 pm |
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jwillas wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: jwillas, glad you're okay and very nice of you to come on here and state such by thanking the med team that assisted you. What you experienced is the reason many pain and/or psychological meds state to not stop taking suddenly if you're on a regular diet for whatever reason. Actually, I think most meds state that if people ever read the papers that come with them. Same would go for blood pressure, asthma, etc. I'd say any chronic problem.
Same goes for alcoholics. They need to be weaned off the booze, usu. in a facility. It's too difficult on the body's system to do cold turkey -- you can die and I have a relative who did by being in a hospital but receiving nothing to help. Heck, look what happens to many people addicted to nicotine with the head-wrenching headaches. Although some people can do cold turkey, I don't think for most it's probably a smart thing.
If you want off your med, please do it with help .
I did a little research and found out something interesting. Alcohol and dirivitives of opium (heroin, morphine, etc.) are the only drugs that the lack of can kill you. If you take a hardcore alcoholic and deprive him of alcohol the withdrawal alone could kill him. Yep, that's what happened. His insurance had lapsed and the hospital let him lay there. I think it took about 10 days. But who knew back then -- sure not us; we had no idea he wasn't getting treatment he needed.
I am surprised however that heart, bp, respiratory, and most pain meds don't also fall under this category. Received a pamphlet some years ago when attending community college and it listed a lot of info pertaining to drugs and alcohol. I do know it mentioned many dangerous interactions between meds. Interesting -- thanks for the info.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 09:02 pm |
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Mamazoyd wrote: jwillas, glad you're okay and very nice of you to come on here and state such by thanking the med team that assisted you. What you experienced is the reason many pain and/or psychological meds state to not stop taking suddenly if you're on a regular diet for whatever reason. Actually, I think most meds state that if people ever read the papers that come with them. Same would go for blood pressure, asthma, etc. I'd say any chronic problem.
Same goes for alcoholics. They need to be weaned off the booze, usu. in a facility. It's too difficult on the body's system to do cold turkey -- you can die and I have a relative who did by being in a hospital but receiving nothing to help. Heck, look what happens to many people addicted to nicotine with the head-wrenching headaches. Although some people can do cold turkey, I don't think for most it's probably a smart thing.
If you want off your med, please do it with help.
I did a little research and found out something interesting. Alcohol and dirivitives of opium (heroin, morphine, etc.) are the only drugs that the lack of can kill you. If you take a hardcore alcoholic and deprive him of alcohol the withdrawal alone could kill him.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 02:54 am |
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| Have I written the CEO about my positive experience? Prioritizing all the joy and happiness life has brought my way as of late has been such a task that I've yet to tell him/her of my NEGATIVE one. But, rest assured, it's on my TO DO list.
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jwillas wrote: sometimes rational wrote: deuce wrote: If I had a back condition as severe as portrayed, you can be sure I would never allow myself to run out of medication. The post provides not details on how this happened or with what frequency. Instead, we get a report about emergency room service at Del Webb hospital. Hopefully, jwillas will be sending a note of thanks to Del Webb CEO about the positive experience . . . after selecting the wine to go with the crow. Seems this "emergency" could have been avoided with some planning and foresight. Given jwillas's past experience with the Del Webb emergency room, I can't imagine going there again . . . under any circumstances. No transportation? Come on . . . call a friend, Surprise Shuttle, etc. If going to Del Webb emergency room was the truly the only option, why wait 'til Monday? Didn't the MD have someone covering for him/her over the weekend for medical emergencies? Why didn't the nurse call in a Rx? There are so many ways jwillas could have handled this situation to get the treatment/relief needed.
sometime you have to play the hand you have instead of coulda woulda shoulda....we're adults..no need to lecture each other on what we need to do to prevent ER visits. Thank you, SR, for saving me the trouble of responding in kind. Hindsight's 20/20. If I had known what effects I had awaiting me from lack of the medication you could be DAMN certain it never would have occurred. In fact, I'd never begun taking the stuff to begin with. Further, deuce, if you were experiencing the excruciating pain I was at the time, which I hope you never do, you wouldn't be playing emergency room connoisseur. I wrote this post to be fair to Del Webb Hospital and everyone who had read the original post, not to have my actions second guessed and be denounced for them.
Have you written to the Del Webb CEO telling him about your positive experience?
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 12:11 am |
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sometimes rational wrote: deuce wrote: If I had a back condition as severe as portrayed, you can be sure I would never allow myself to run out of medication. The post provides not details on how this happened or with what frequency. Instead, we get a report about emergency room service at Del Webb hospital. Hopefully, jwillas will be sending a note of thanks to Del Webb CEO about the positive experience . . . after selecting the wine to go with the crow. Seems this "emergency" could have been avoided with some planning and foresight. Given jwillas's past experience with the Del Webb emergency room, I can't imagine going there again . . . under any circumstances. No transportation? Come on . . . call a friend, Surprise Shuttle, etc. If going to Del Webb emergency room was the truly the only option, why wait 'til Monday? Didn't the MD have someone covering for him/her over the weekend for medical emergencies? Why didn't the nurse call in a Rx? There are so many ways jwillas could have handled this situation to get the treatment/relief needed.
sometime you have to play the hand you have instead of coulda woulda shoulda....we're adults..no need to lecture each other on what we need to do to prevent ER visits. Thank you, SR, for saving me the trouble of responding in kind. Hindsight's 20/20. If I had known what effects I had awaiting me from lack of the medication you could be DAMN certain it never would have occurred. In fact, I'd never begun taking the stuff to begin with. Further, deuce, if you were experiencing the excruciating pain I was at the time, which I hope you never do, you wouldn't be playing emergency room connoisseur. I wrote this post to be fair to Del Webb Hospital and everyone who had read the original post, not to have my actions second guessed and be denounced for them.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 06:47 pm |
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deuce wrote: If I had a back condition as severe as portrayed, you can be sure I would never allow myself to run out of medication. The post provides not details on how this happened or with what frequency. Instead, we get a report about emergency room service at Del Webb hospital. Hopefully, jwillas will be sending a note of thanks to Del Webb CEO about the positive experience . . . after selecting the wine to go with the crow. Seems this "emergency" could have been avoided with some planning and foresight. Given jwillas's past experience with the Del Webb emergency room, I can't imagine going there again . . . under any circumstances. No transportation? Come on . . . call a friend, Surprise Shuttle, etc. If going to Del Webb emergency room was the truly the only option, why wait 'til Monday? Didn't the MD have someone covering for him/her over the weekend for medical emergencies? Why didn't the nurse call in a Rx? There are so many ways jwillas could have handled this situation to get the treatment/relief needed.
sometime you have to play the hand you have instead of coulda woulda shoulda....we're adults..no need to lecture each other on what we need to do to prevent ER visits.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 05:00 pm |
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If I had a back condition as severe as portrayed, you can be sure I would never allow myself to run out of medication. The post provides not details on how this happened or with what frequency. Instead, we get a report about emergency room service at Del Webb hospital. Hopefully, jwillas will be sending a note of thanks to Del Webb CEO about the positive experience . . . after selecting the wine to go with the crow. Seems this "emergency" could have been avoided with some planning and foresight. Given jwillas's past experience with the Del Webb emergency room, I can't imagine going there again . . . under any circumstances. No transportation? Come on . . . call a friend, Surprise Shuttle, etc. If going to Del Webb emergency room was the truly the only option, why wait 'til Monday? Didn't the MD have someone covering for him/her over the weekend for medical emergencies? Why didn't the nurse call in a Rx? There are so many ways jwillas could have handled this situation to get the treatment/relief needed.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 04:47 am |
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JW--I would just reaffrim what you alluded to...the service provided in an ER needs to be constantly satisfactory...glad you had a positive expericne but it doesn't negate the first experince....to put in in the terms of the food industry you worked in, you can always return to a retaurant if you get lousy service...if you get lousey service in an ER, you can die.
I did hear something interesting on Fox news while I was exercising (since it was on Fox, who knows if it's accurate) and two ER docs agreed that during triage, the person who gets first service is the person with the greatest liklihood of surviving...I always thought the sickest, or most severely injured person was seen first.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:48 am |
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jwillas, glad you're okay and very nice of you to come on here and state such by thanking the med team that assisted you. What you experienced is the reason many pain and/or psychological meds state to not stop taking suddenly if you're on a regular diet for whatever reason. Actually, I think most meds state that if people ever read the papers that come with them. Same would go for blood pressure, asthma, etc. I'd say any chronic problem.
Same goes for alcoholics. They need to be weaned off the booze, usu. in a facility. It's too difficult on the body's system to do cold turkey -- you can die and I have a relative who did by being in a hospital but receiving nothing to help. Heck, look what happens to many people addicted to nicotine with the head-wrenching headaches. Although some people can do cold turkey, I don't think for most it's probably a smart thing.
If you want off your med, please do it with help.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 02:11 am |
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Hi folks,
I posted a couple weeks ago regarding the treatment (or lack thereof) my wife received at Del Webb Hospital. (Hospital Horror Story) If you haven't read it, please do so now. We'll wait for ya! This story is going to require that I provide a little background. I've had a bad back since a fall in 1990 and have had my good and bad days since. Recently they've been bad and worse days. For 5 months I've been taking hydromorphone (Dilaudid). Initially it was 2mg doses 6 times a day and two months ago the doses were increased to 4mg. Friday night I ran out. I figured 'Oh well, I'll just have to deal with the back pain for a couple days. BIG MISTAKE!!! I was feeling lousy Sunday afternoon. But by Sunday night I was in the throes of agony. I was going through withdrawal and I was experiencing pain I never knew existed. I had no idea the stuff could do that. If anyone out there is taking that stuff regularly, DO NOT RUN OUT. Better yet, follow my lead and get off the stuff SLOWLY!!! Somehow I made it through to Monday. I called my doctor who wasn't in. The nurse told me to get to the ED immediately and considering I had no transport, I found myself at Del Webb Hospital. I was triaged in a fair amount of time. There were 5 people ahead of me in the waiting room and I was called in about 20-25 minutes. I was immediately assessed by a RN and seen by a doctor shortly after. He obviously called for medications before he did his research to check the veracity of my statements because when he had finished making a call to my doctor's office the medication had just arrived. I was then taken to the 'quiet room' where a nurse Charlotte checked my vitals, wrapped me in a hot blanket, got me a cup of ice water and did her best to calm me while the medications were taking effect. On three occasions the doctor came to speak with me with issues mundane enough to convince me that the primary purpose of his visits were to make certain I was O.K. I had difficulty believing I was in the same ER that my wife and I had visited a couple weeks prior. Overall the service I received was exemplary. If you negate the minimal wait at triage and the 20-25 minutes in the waiting room, it was flawless and the personal attention after being treated was above and beyond. A special 'Thank You' to Charlotte & Dr. Lopez. I write this because I've worked in the food service industry and know that people are quick to complain but rather lackadaisical when it comes to compliments. It would've been wrong for me to hoot and holler, as I did, about the treatment my wife received and then disregard this event. I still intend to follow up with the accreditation facility regarding the last visit because the actions of the day shift on Monday doesn't justify or condone the actions (or lack thereof) of the night shift on Thursday. But if I may make a couple of suggestions; try to plan your next medical emergency for a Monday morning and have the utmost respect for Dilaudid. I honestly wouldn't wish what I experienced upon my worst enemy. My respect is so complete it's fear.
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