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Razenkn wrote: rvukanovich wrote: Raz

It is my concern when the city of which I live in makes bad deals and signs contracts that are not good for the city. The contract with Fat Freddy is a good example, because we the taxpayers will end up on the short stick.

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You might want to clarify that, say again??:?:cool:

 

He's implying that you are smoking weed.  A roach clip is used to hold a joint to one's lips.  Don't ask my how I know.  I just do. 

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It is my concern when the city of which I live in makes bad deals and signs contracts that are not good for the city. The contract with Fat Freddy is a good example, because we the taxpayers will end up on the short stick.

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You might want to clarify that, say again??:?:cool:

 

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It is my concern when the city of which I live in makes bad deals and signs contracts that are not good for the city. The contract with Fat Freddy is a good example, because we the taxpayers will end up on the short stick.



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 Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 02:49 am
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Bob, i did not see the contract, but i suspect it is not that out of the ordinary due to the fact a longer contract would, i imagine, require the city to pay a larger pay out should the city decide to let him go. I dont know that for a fact but im guessing.
I have read a lot of comments by citizens of surprise, non citizens of surprise and what one could assume are former laid off employees and i have to say this. I have no idea what happened here and neither does anyone else. It is my humble opinion that this is going to be a long and expensive road we as a city are now going down. I think it would serve all of us well if we withhold judgment until the facts are in. It is easy to sit back and blame the council, the city manager or whoever else you or anyone else wants to but it will serve no purpose. The reason i say that is because the staff has been around along time, sandstrom was here 10 years. Randy Oliver has been here just over a year and like it or not its a big job, particularly with the layoffs at the city he is one guy in charge, relying on alot of people. If anyone thinks he is sitting in his office checking over the work of all the people that are under his authority, that would be incorrect. Ive mentioned that here before. I rely on people to do what i pay them to do, when they dont and it becomes a problem then it is my fault even if i had nothing to do with it because they work for me. If i could do everything then no one else would need to be hired, as well, the city manager cant do it all by himself. I think his willingness to report publicly, share information with the press shows me that  he is working diligently and transparently to try and get to the bottom of this. I believe when it all is said and done we will be amazed at what will be uncovered and this council and the city manager will fix it so we dont waste anymore taxpayer money and operate our city on the level. I would just suggest patients and understanding. Its going to take a while and the council will take what ever action is necessary.

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Did you read C.M. Randy Oliver's contract that was for two years, but if they don't tell him with-in a couple of days that they won't rehire him in July 2010 he gets an automatic 1year extension. No responce from Lyn Truitt when I pointed this out, telling him what a sweetheart deal this was for Mr. Oliver.


Did it ever occur to you that it's not your call BV????  Really, your days of interference are done, over with, cya.  What makes you think that Randy Oliver isn't doing a good job? Good experienced City Manager's are hard to come by, you don't throw them under the bus because people like you think you know more than they do.  Besides, you hate all of them, anyone City connected,  so why would anyone listen to you?  I'm not saying he is or he isn't but I'm willing to wait and see.  Give the guy a break BV, you don't know what he has done unless he calls you every day to report his activity.....LOL  :D:cool:

 
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Did you read C.M. Randy Oliver's contract that was for two years, but if they don't tell him with-in a couple of days that they won't rehire him in July 2010 he gets an automatic 1year extension. No responce from Lyn Truitt when I pointed this out, telling him what a sweetheart deal this was for Mr. Oliver.
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It's been reported that the average management employee will have 7 job changes in a career.  Forget the gold watch.
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 Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 01:52 am
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LOL, that's right Goldrush.  The upper management in the City are "at will" employees and they can be let go if someone doesn't like the color of their shirt.  They all know that going in, so don't get the kleenex out just yet.  They also are well compensated for their tenure and it is what it is.  Once in a while they make it through many years but typically only 3-5.  I don't know how long this ACM worked there but no question he was being well compensated.  That's life in the fast lane.

I'm still chuckling over the guy who got the $9,500 overage.  He told the CM "he didn't see anything wrong with it"....I bet he didn't. That struck me funny.  Wow, look here, an additional $9500 in my final check, okay.  I see nothing wrong with that...LOL :D And that guy was the Director of Budget Management?  All I can say is I hope they are looking into past transactions if he didn't see anything wrong with it.  :shock::cool:

 

 
I can assure you they will look long and deep. Im thinking there may be some people from our past that may be shaking in their boots right about now.. JMHO:)
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I was at the city hall this after noon, there are more people walking around in Tombstone.

The restaurant was closed, Fat Freddy will get a lot thinner.
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 Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 01:40 am
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Here is a riddle for you bob. Last thursday the council approves, on the consent agenda, the contract for Freddys Cafe in city hall. Today is monday. They are open for business.

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LOL, that's right Goldrush.  The upper management in the City are "at will" employees and they can be let go if someone doesn't like the color of their shirt.  They all know that going in, so don't get the kleenex out just yet.  They also are well compensated for their tenure and it is what it is.  Once in a while they make it through many years but typically only 3-5.  I don't know how long this ACM worked there but no question he was being well compensated.  That's life in the fast lane.

I'm still chuckling over the guy who got the $9,500 overage.  He told the CM "he didn't see anything wrong with it"....I bet he didn't. That struck me funny.  Wow, look here, an additional $9500 in my final check, okay.  I see nothing wrong with that...LOL :D And that guy was the Director of Budget Management?  All I can say is I hope they are looking into past transactions if he didn't see anything wrong with it.  :shock::cool:

 

 
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Your absolutely right, Raz.  That's the way it happens in the "real" world.  He had no union to protect his job. 

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rvukanovich wrote: Razenkn

Did you say who decided that Doug had to be fired?


If you are referring to the ACM then I guess you didn't bother to read the article.  It's called common sense BV. Have you never worked in a large corporation?  When you mess up like he messed up you have two options.  Resign or be fired.  Nobody wants a termination on their record so of course they resign.  Had that not taken place for a few weeks, I might not think that but since it took place the next day, what else would it be? I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Why do you care so much? Do you know something we don't??  :shock::cool:

 

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The way Mayor Lyn Truitt has handle the short fall in which we lost no money, might cost us a lot of money in compensation to former employees.
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Did you say who decided that Doug had to be fired?
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Manager: Surprise overpaid severance
Surprise spent total of $28,000 on 20 workers
Lily Leung - Sept. 27, 2009 12:00


Surprise overpaid severance to more than 20 employees and has called in Maricopa County prosecutors to determine whether criminal conduct was involved in one of the overpayments, Surprise City Manager Randy Oliver told The Republic.

Oliver said the overpayments, totaling nearly $28,000, went to employees who had been laid off or volunteered for buyouts during budget cuts earlier this year.

The largest overage: $9,510 to the former Management and Budget director.

Oliver said former Assistant City Manager Doug Sandstrom approved that specific payment even after the Human Resources Department brought the miscalculation to his attention.

At least one investigator from the Maricopa County Attorney's Office has been interviewing city employees "to determine if any criminal conduct occurred," Oliver said, adding that Surprise police also is involved.

"The allegations of misconduct regarding Mr. Sandstrom and the manner in which this overpayment came about are serious," Oliver wrote in an e-mail Friday to council members and several department heads. "As you know, Mr. Sandstrom resigned his position Sept. 11 and is no longer an employee of Surprise."

Sandstrom, who managed the Budget and Finance departments, resigned one day after a $4.5 million budgeting error was publicly aired at a City Council meeting. Sandstrom's duties included overseeing the "implementation of severance payments," Oliver said.

Sandstrom could not be reached for comment.

Council members have called a special meeting on Oct. 6 to discuss the most recent financial controversy and to determine whether Surprise will launch an audit into the city's financial practices.

"We are very, very frustrated," said Mayor Lyn Truitt. "But I'm expecting that the city manager is bringing in the right people to investigate this so that we can restore the confidence in our residents."

Oliver discovered the $9,510 overpayment after The Republic on Sept. 16 requested information about severance payouts to former top city officials.

The discovery prompted Oliver to order an audit of 42 other employees who left Surprise this year because of budget cuts. The audit revealed that the city overpaid 20 of those 42.

The overpayments totaled $27,690, which is 5 percent of the total payout of $525,814.

Overages to each former employee ranged from mere cents to the $9,510, which went to former Management and Budget Director Michael Schrock Jr., now the city manager for Oskaloosa, Iowa.

Schrock recently told Oliver "he thought the amount was right," Oliver said. Schrock could not be reached for comment.

Oliver said the problem began when the Human Resources Department calculated the payouts, a task that should be reserved for the Finance Department.

"We didn't hire HR for their number capabilities," he said. "And we didn't hire Finance for their ability to recruit qualified employees."

Surprise will first deal with the possible criminal allegations before addressing structural changes within the city, Oliver said.

It is unclear if the city can legally retrieve the overpayments.


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    rvukanovich wrote: Razenkn

    Where did you get the information that the ACM was fired?

    Come on be honest.

    What do you mean?  I told you what you wanted to hear.  You asked me if I worked there and I told you yes and now you are accusing me of not being honest.  Gee, I can't seem to win you over BV.  LOL :D

    I don't think it's rocket science to figure out reality.... immediately after a 4.5 million dollar shortfall is discovered under somebody's watch and they "resign".  Resign or be fired?  You bet.  Been there and done that.  You don't think so? :shock::cool:

     
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    Where did you get the information that the ACM was fired?

    Come on be honest.
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    Yeah, I work right in the middle of it BV, I've got all the inside scoop.  What do you want to know?:shock::cool:

     
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    A quote from your post; Posted: Sun Sep 27th, 2009 08:14 am

    The ACM was fired that authorized the overpayment of former employees.

    Having not heard this before, are you inside City Hall?, or did I miss the article? 

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    rvukanovich wrote: Do you think what is happening in Surprise might shake (and it's not over yet) their citizens into becoming more involved?

    To keep everyone out of the Candy Store, the City of Surprise must be governed by a Charter.
    Article 5 Adoption of Charter Government by City 9-281 Adoption procedure; board of freeholders; election 9-282 Proposed charter; publication; election; approval by governor 9-283 Approval of charter; recording and filing; amendment 9-284 Effect of charter on inconsistent laws 9-285 Expenses of board
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    We can only hope..
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    Do you think what is happening in Surprise might shake (and it's not over yet) their citizens into becoming more involved?

    To keep everyone out of the Candy Store, the City of Surprise must be governed by a Charter.
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    When Mayor Lyn Truitt was first elected I had lunch with him, gave him some papers, out lining what I thought might be troubling, because of the lack of the over sight on what the council voted on. Never heard anymore from him, unless I asked him a question.

    When I told Council members things were not looking good, none would pay any attention. Appearing before them at Council Meetings was a waste of time, they were not obliviouslyn aware as to what was happening.
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    Good question.I know staff members that attend the executive sessions well enough to place absolute confidence in their integrity, courage and honor. They would not participate nor watch any  inappropriate proceedings. Same thing for most of the council members. If I was in a firefight, I would want them with me.

    Your question was appreciated .
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    To Save Our Surprise, lets hope that Mayor Lyn Truitt steps up to the plate and shows strong leadership in the way our money is being spent and conducts a strong thorough audit. God Bless

     
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    Ken Wright wrote: I believe they talked about the agenda item. I am confident Mr. Bailey would stop discussion that was not appropriate. I also believe city staff and some council members would walk out if discussion got out of line.
    No disrepesct Mr. Wright,  why do you believe this?
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    I agree with razenkn, they have blown this out of porportion unless there is more to this then they are telling us. This is more then an audit on the $4.5M.
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    Having just read the article regarding Hall and Alton looking at determining a scope of an audit because of the 4.5 million dollar shortfall error that took place recently, I have to say it baffles me a little bit.  Everyone knows the enormous expense and overwhelming amount of time something of the magnitude they are proposing would take from staff when time (time is money) could be much better spent doing the job we pay them to do.  Why would they want to make our ecomomic situation worse by spending money to find out what??

    If this is some sort of ongoing problem, disceprencies, flaws in the system, theft of some nature, you bet.  An audit would be an automatic given.  But from all I have read it would appear this was a one time blooper, a BIG BLOOPER but a blooper just the same.  Or did I miss something??  Now they can grandstand on this issue if they feel the need but I would hope they would take a deep breath and be careful not to over dramatize this serious situation. Some common sense should enter this debate by reviewing the process in which such a mistake was allowed to take place unnoticed and start from there.  Isn't that what needs to be fixed?  Or is there some other suspicious activity going on that hasn't been made public?  If not, then I think this is an affront to the staff who do a good job. JMHO :shock::cool:

     

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    A.R.S. 38-431.02 (I)

    I. Notwithstanding the other provisions of this section, notice of executive sessions shall be required to include only a general description of the matters to be considered. The agenda shall provide more than just a recital of the statutory provisions authorizing the executive session, but need not contain information that would defeat the purpose of the executive session, compromise the legitimate privacy interests of a public officer, appointee or employee or compromise the attorney-client privilege.
    I have said before that the city is not meeting the reguirements of the open meeting law, they only give us the recital of the statutory provisions, not the meat of what they are discussing.
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    I believe they talked about the agenda item. I am confident Mr. Bailey would stop discussion that was not appropriate. I also believe city staff and some council members would walk out if discussion got out of line.
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    Why do the two Council Members from the City of Surprise do all of their talking out-side of the Council Chambers?
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    Council Meeting Date: September 24, 2009 Contact Person: Michael D. Bailey Submitting Department: Attorney's Office District: Internal Staff Recommendations: No Action    


    Consent         Regular         Public Hearing         Report/Discussion        


    Agenda Wording: Discussion/consultation with the City Attorney and City Manager to receive an update, to consider its position, and to provide instruction/direction to the City Attorney and City Manager regarding Surprise's position in connection with pending or contemplated litigation, or in settlement discussions conducted in order to avoid or resolve litigation. (A.R.S. §38-431.03 (A)(4)).

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    Not giving you a bad time, Ken, but what do you think they talked about?
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    You raise a good point re Indian Casino.  Noteworthy the Mayor send a letter of support opposing the Casino - this was never discussed by the Council and to most it represents the view of the City.

    The workshop only presented the views of Glendale no discussion if the Casino would be in the best interests of Surprise.

    If the Mayor believes only he can determine City positions he should try to legislate the elimination of the Council and be a real local CZAR.
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    The council agenda for last night contained item #25 under EXECUTIVE SESSION.The material for discussion in the session was described very well.
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    Pursuant to A.R.S. § 38-431.03(A)(3), the City Council may go into executive session with the City Attorney for legal advice on any item listed on the agenda.


    When the council goes into an executive session, they are to declare what item they will address. This was not done last night.

    We have no idea what they dicussed about last night, could they have been addressing the $4.5M and the employee that resigned?

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    I have been trying to get the message out there with little success, so far.
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    The council ram rods another agenda through tonight with little discussion. I was thinking that there were a few items worth discussing when it pertained to tax payer money. Like the cafe in city hall, if anyone read the contract, which im sure they did not, it would have been obvious that our tax dollars are paying for and subsidizing the operation for little return. Yet not a single member of the council thought it was important enough to disclose to the tax payers how much it was going to cost on an ongoing basis so they could call down stairs and have lunch delivered to their cushy offices. I guess we are not entitled to know such things. A huge disappointment. If anyone needs me ill be fishing...
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    amen to that
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    It appears that the City Council of Surprise is not concerned about the $4.5 M short fall or any other issues facing the city, that they could discuss in the workshop. They are learning all about the gaming and property rights of our Indians.

    It would be nice to have a casino closer to our city; we would burn less gasoline and spend less time driving across town where the casinos are now located.

    I for one would enjoy having a casino that I could go to, most of the ones that we have locally are a long drive to and from.

    　
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    Heard West Museum is through in Surprise, will Mayor Lyn Truitt sweeten the deal, so the West Valley Art Museum will move into the vacated building.
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    What jealous and bitter comments am I making, all I want, is to see some progress made by this Council. Remember I endorsed Lyn Truitt for Mayor.

    Being counterproductive are you comparing what I am saying, to recalling half of the council and calling us the wrecking crew, saying Saving our Surprise.

    City Council Meeting September 24, 2009

    Consent Item #12

    You determine who is going to pay for the food that is to be sold in the restaurant.



     

     

     

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    What ever utilities such as the water, trash,garbage and sewer that is under the city council's control was raised.

     
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    rvukanovich wrote: Do like the rest of us, make do with what they have.

    Why should we leave our kids and grand children with a large tax burden so that politicians can build their Taj Mahals.


    Your jealous and bitter comments do nothing to advance the City especially since they are designed to get attention.  As a past council member even you have to understand how reckless and counterproductive those words are.  There is no taj mahal to it. It's a City Hall for crying out loud.  Nothing different than any other city, you are just ticked because you weren't part of it.  That's your problem, not this Mayor and Council's -- they didn't approve it, didn't design it, that was the last council so go after them if you have issues with it.  Do you really think they are getting free food or that a chef is going to cook for them?? Man, get a grip already.  Give us a break and take one.:shock::cool:

     
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    		 Posted: Mon Sep 21st, 2009 06:16 pm
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    You truly get 1st prize for being the master blogger of distortion.  Swallow your bitterness about being recalled and do something to make Surprise a better place and offer something positive.


    Explain what you mean about the Council raising utility rates - they have NOTHING to do with electricity rates, phone rates, etc.  YOu may be referring to water rates and you are partially correct.

    Talk about BS your claim about personal chef for the Council and Mayor is absurd.

    No Bond Issue and NO Transportation improvements - if you ever come out of your cave you would have some idea that this  City needs transportation improvements.

    Your days on Council saw you vote for projects that were absurd and waste-full.  Explain how you voted for a Park in the far western section of the City that has had virtually no use - Was that political payback for one of your recalled Councilmen??

     
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    Do like the rest of us, make do with what they have.

    Why should we leave our kids and grand children with a large tax burden so that politicians can build their Taj Mahals.

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    		 Posted: Mon Sep 21st, 2009 06:33 am
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    Here is another question: What happens if the GO bond issue fails?
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    The City Council of Surprise can spend our money on signs, making a bridge pretty, new office furniture for themselves, more individual spending money per member, hiring their own chef (who knows what the food will cost the tax payers) and the list goes on and on.

    Some on this web site disagrees with me when I say, what in the H… has this Council done in almost two years to make this a better city for us to live in, they have made it better for themselves.

    Without a lot of BS if you don’t agree with me lay it out, what have they done, other then more stringent regulations we must follow and don’t forget raising our utility bills.

    The biggest kick in the pants, if the Bond issue passes.
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    		 Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 07:50 pm
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    Wheres the Fairy, Razenkn? must be on your pillow, look under it to see if you have the tooth.

     

     

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