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Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 07:50 pm |
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Wheres the Fairy, Razenkn? must be on your pillow, look under it to see if you have the tooth.
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Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 07:20 pm |
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rvukanovich wrote: I was at the meeting for the $4.5 million discussion, and saw how the Budget Manager was abused verbally.
What did I accuse the mayor, council and staff of?
When I was on the Council, I was accused by other council members of asking to many questions. Watching the bill's being paid I knew where the money was going.
As soon as they got rid of me, they stopped watching the money flow.
Look how they gang up on Councilman Richard Alton when he looks out for our money.
I think you left out the part where the tooth fairy landed on your pillow...LOL  What's up with always trying to make Alton out to be a victim anyway? He's an adult, he has a mouth and he uses it....plenty. Do us all a favor and stop trying to make a conspiracy where there is none.  
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I was at the meeting for the $4.5 million discussion, and saw how the Budget Manager was abused verbally.
What did I accuse the mayor, council and staff of?
When I was on the Council, I was accused by other council members of asking to many questions. Watching the bill's being paid I knew where the money was going.
As soon as they got rid of me, they stopped watching the money flow.
Look how they gang up on Councilman Richard Alton when he looks out for our money.
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Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 02:58 pm |
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http://agenda.surpriseaz.com/MeetingAgenda.aspx?meetingid=285
Anyone know anything about the use tax that is on this weeks agenda?
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 09:58 pm |
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Why would I accuse anyone of anything at this point?? That is your game BV, not mine. Especially the Mayor and Council. Council responsibilities are setting the budget, capital projects, and policy. Not the bean counting, not the day to day operation of the City, that is the City Manager's job. That's not to say the Council can't hold the CM responsible when there is a problem, but it does mean it's not their place to get involved in the day to day operation, that is why we pay those who are trained, educated and experienced. I wouldn't want you or any other council member trying to run any of the departments, not your job. So why would you automatically point the finger at them? How would they know? They rely on CM and management to take care of those details as they should.
My comment merely raises the question, is this it? Did the CM take care of the one responsible for this gigantic snafu or is there more? That isn't too complicated of a question is it BV? Nobody is accusing anyone of anything and I will reiterate that the budget manager did a great job answering the tough questions and he handled himself well. But I had a hard time understanding why the upper management didn't take any responsibility by coming to the podium to support this guy, they just left him flapping in the breeze so to speak.... hence, the mouse/rat question (just an analogy BV, don't take everything so literally).
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 06:32 pm |
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Razenkn, said, I think the bigger question that begs to be asked is he just a field mouse in a lair of rats?
As razenkn is always defending the Mayor & Council, who does he/she thinks are the Rats?
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 05:59 pm |
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Craig wrote: http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LilyShumLeung/63061
Wow this is interesting...
The Mayor and Council didn't have anything to do with this guy being thrown into the lion's den, that was his supervisors who did that. I understand the sentiment of the letter because I thought it was painful to watch too but not so much on the side of the council members because I think one of them even said they weren't blaming him directly but expressed their frustration and shock that it happened in the first place. Where was his supervisors?
Does the author of the letter really believe for a moment they wouldn't question him and ask him the hard questions? Or express outrage?? If that is who the management chose to put out in the front to answer the hard questions and face the music, I'm not seeing how that is the fault of the Council. I think her anger may be misdirected. JMHO.
I think the bigger question that begs to be asked is he just a field mouse in a lair of rats?
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 05:46 pm |
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http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LilyShumLeung/63061
Wow this is interesting...
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Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 05:15 pm |
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| If you take a report saying that an x number of money was Expended on a project you cannot get an immediat answer if any money was actually spent.
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Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2009 06:46 pm |
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Excerpt from the Arizona Republic
Surprise chose Fat Freddy's Catering, a north-central Phoenix company, to be the food vendor. The city is responsible for utilities and furnishing the café, while Fat Freddy's will provide food service
. Instead of paying rent, the vendor will give the city a portion of its earnings on a graduated scale.
Great No Rent, out sourcing to Phoenix, staff will have their private chef. Will the city supple the food, Fat Freddy's will provide the service.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 09:02 pm |
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shortstack wrote: Razenkn wrote: shortstack wrote: I just listened to the council meeting discussion on the budget shortfall.
If council lets Oliver keep his job they are doing a disservice to the residents of the city!!!!!!!!!
You seem to be overwrought about this issue shortstuff, what gives?
I'm a resident of Surprise and 4.5 million of our money was mismanaged and gone. That is what gives. That is why I'm overwrought. Sanstrolm was conveniantely canned and its not all his doing. He got a raw deal and Oliver comes out like a rose.
I'm a resident too and believe me, I don't like the fact that this was not caught but I can remain somewhat objective about it because first of all, it was an error, not theft and secondly it is being dealt with in a swift and decisive manner.
It's not like it was money we had and lost, you can't lose money you didn't have in the first place, right? We just don't have as much as we thought we did. There is a difference between the two, not trying to downplay or oversimplify it, just trying to put it in proper perspective.
Your overwrought reaction seems to be much more over the firing than the snafu itself and I found that curious, that's all. Somebody had to be held responsible for not doing their job and apparently it was him if he was charged with overseeing that department. So unless you were following him around all day and knew exactly what he did and didn't do, why would you assume he got a raw deal? 
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 08:56 pm |
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shortstack wrote: Razenkn wrote: shortstack wrote: I just listened to the council meeting discussion on the budget shortfall.
If council lets Oliver keep his job they are doing a disservice to the residents of the city!!!!!!!!!
You seem to be overwrought about this issue shortstuff, what gives?
I'm a resident of Surprise and 4.5 million of our money was mismanaged and gone. That is what gives. That is why I'm overwrought. Sanstrolm was conveniantely canned and its not all his doing. He got a raw deal and Oliver comes out like a rose.
I have to agree. Where ever the buck stops (I'm guessing the City Manager), that person should be dismissed.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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Razenkn wrote: shortstack wrote: I just listened to the council meeting discussion on the budget shortfall.
If council lets Oliver keep his job they are doing a disservice to the residents of the city!!!!!!!!!
You seem to be overwrought about this issue shortstuff, what gives?
I'm a resident of Surprise and 4.5 million of our money was mismanaged and gone. That is what gives. That is why I'm overwrought. Sanstrolm was conveniantely canned and its not all his doing. He got a raw deal and Oliver comes out like a rose.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 07:45 pm |
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Ken
In this day and age, so much is in the grey area and the interpentation, I can't verify it one way or another.
What information are you basing your conclusion on?
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 07:35 pm |
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| City business is to be conducted in open to the Public Meetings. There are things happening now that if the reporters were not on top of their game, we wouldn't have a clue.
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rvukanovich wrote: Excerpt taken from yourwestvalley.com today
Surprise Mayor Lyn Truitt has proposed the West Valley Art Museum and Surprise Regional Chamber of Commerce move into the Heard Museum West building after its primary tenant leaves at the end of the year.
Truitt said he’s talked with both organizations and hopes to hear their proposals later this week/
So, your point is what BV or do you even have one? Would you prefer the building sit empty? Your ramblings and negative comments never make any sense. Are they not allowed to express solutions to problems when they have one? Don't you think it was wise and prudent to find out if anyone would be interested before presenting anything to the Council for approval?? This sounds like what could be a common sense solution to me, but then I don't know that much about it but neither do you yet. How about waiting to see what becomes of something before you start trying to stir up some kind of feigned controversy. That's just annoying to people, not helpful.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 07:12 pm |
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shortstack wrote: I just listened to the council meeting discussion on the budget shortfall.
If council lets Oliver keep his job they are doing a disservice to the residents of the city!!!!!!!!!
You seem to be overwrought about this issue shortstuff, what gives? Why so angry about it? Have you investigated all the issues and sat in the staff meetings where most likely the error was discussed? Do you even know how it came about? Weird reaction.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 04:26 pm |
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Ken, what are your thoughts on this?
Under the Statutes the Mayor is the City’s Chief Executive Officer, under this scenario, could the mayor without the councils approval change the city to a strong Mayor system?
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 03:57 pm |
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| What decisions has the mayor made without council approval?
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 03:45 pm |
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The City of Surprise governs under State Statutes, rather then a charter. The council decided that we, without the citizens participating, would operate under the manager-mayor form of government.
In the past we have seen what the city council is capable of doing, such as retroactive retirement pay for their members and we could not prevent it.
Under the Statutes the Mayor is the City’s Chief Executive Officer, under this scenario, could the mayor without the councils approval change the city to a strong Mayor system?
It appears that Mayor Lyn Truitt by making decisions without council approval is headed in this direction.
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Excerpt taken from yourwestvalley.com today
Surprise Mayor Lyn Truitt has proposed the West Valley Art Museum and Surprise Regional Chamber of Commerce move into the Heard Museum West building after its primary tenant leaves at the end of the year.
Truitt said he’s talked with both organizations and hopes to hear their proposals later this week/
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 03:39 am |
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No, that has not been decided just thinking about it last i heard.
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Posted: Tue Sep 15th, 2009 03:18 am |
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| Have I missed a meeting where the City Council approved giving the West Valley Art Museum, the former Heard Building?
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http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LilyShumLeung/62819
Heres the latest.
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rvukanovich wrote:
CITY OF SURPRISE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARd Meeting Minutes MAY 12, 2009 / 1:00 PM
SURPRISE CITY HALL 12425 W. BELL, D-100 SURPRISE, ARIZONA 85374
Item 3 – CITYWIDE – The Board will begin the process of developing a Strategic Plan
facilitated by Ms. June Liggins of JM Consulting Group.
VIII. Visioning Process – Future (1-5 years) – Think big, money no object
Isn't the bold green above the precise problem?
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CITY OF SURPRISE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARd Meeting Minutes MAY 12, 2009 / 1:00 PM
SURPRISE CITY HALL 12425 W. BELL, D-100 SURPRISE, ARIZONA 85374
Item 3 – CITYWIDE – The Board will begin the process of developing a Strategic Plan
facilitated by Ms. June Liggins of JM Consulting Group.
VIII. Visioning Process – Future (1-5 years) – Think big, money no object
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 08:37 pm |
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| The way Mayor Lyn Truitt and the City Council is handling this short fall issue, I wonder what it is doing to our image as a city?
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Ken Wright wrote: The city manager cannot be held accountable for a situation of which he had no knowledge. Lower level managers have the responsibility to escalate problems they cannot resolve themselves up to the CM. At that point, the CM becomes responsible for problem resolution. If the problem resolution requires council action, the CM takes it to council and they become responsible for resolution. In the current budget mess, faulting the CM or council is not justified. I don't believe Oliver didn't know things were in trouble and if he didn't know then shame on him. Thats what he is paid to do. To know what is going on in that department.Last edited on Tue Sep 15th, 2009 07:19 am by shortstack
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| The city manager cannot be held accountable for a situation of which he had no knowledge. Lower level managers have the responsibility to escalate problems they cannot resolve themselves up to the CM. At that point, the CM becomes responsible for problem resolution. If the problem resolution requires council action, the CM takes it to council and they become responsible for resolution. In the current budget mess, faulting the CM or council is not justified.
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You can be they are angry, not updating a line on the revenue side, a huge and costly mistake. Bottom line is, it is done. Now we have to fix it and make sure it doesnt happen again. Like i said before , supervisors rely on the expertise of their employees. They dont go back and do their jobs for them.
There is something else that was learned in the meeting that i think is more important. When staff knows that there is millions of dollars in projects that they know are not being used and dont tell anyone until they have to or want to is a far more serious of a problem. All we ever hear is how much money we dont have for this or that, when comes down to it its been there all the time. I have a bigger problem that issue then i do a one time oversight. This could add up to way more money than the 4.5 million and a lack of funding for critical projects because they want to keep it for a rainy day instead of doing what is needed.
The last thing is what i believe to be a huge money pot, parks and rec. I asked my councilman the other day. If i wanted to take my family to Surprise farms park, what could i do when i get there. His response was, spread out a blanket on the grass and have a picnic lunch. Do you realize the annual budget for that park is 444.000.00 I rally thing those are the kinds of things we need to be concerned with instead of a one time mistake, because in my opinion, waste like that ends up costing the tax payer more in the long run.
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 08:28 am |
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I just listened to the council meeting discussion on the budget shortfall.
If council lets Oliver keep his job they are doing a disservice to the residents of the city!!!!!!!!!
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You say correctly that Councilman Richard Alton was rebuffed when he wanted to look into the way the city finances were managed, what you neglected to say was that he was rebuffed by his own Mayor, Lyn Truitt.
Pssst.....Yeah, that's the rumor BV, but I heard there was duct tape involved....
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You say correctly that Councilman Richard Alton was rebuffed when he wanted to look into the way the city finances were managed, what you neglected to say was that he was rebuffed by his own Mayor, Lyn Truitt.
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Craig is right on target. I just wish Sharon and Mike were on council to help identify and resolve the budget mess and related problems. The people they are replacing have no clue. Richard Alton tried to have the council look into the way city finances are managed, but he was rebuffed and was not able to gain sufficient support from other council members. This particular budgetary incident was reported state-wide by the AZ Republic. Maybe now Mr. Alton's plea will get some attention. I have watched council actions very closely for the past five years. I'm a charter member of the "cave people" . Councils have one distinct characteristic: In way too many cases the only way to get any action is through press coverage. Thanks AZ Republic, without you many actions would remain deep dark secrets.
Attn Raz: An opinion.
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You are correct and that is the problem. I have a few people directly under my direction. They have about 25 years experience each. I ask them to evaluate a problem, they give me their solution, i tell my customer what i believe the problem is and what it will cost to solve that problem. Being the boss once i receive the the evaluation and have no reason to doubt my employee i go with it and it become my determination to my customer. If that is wrong in the end, it is my problem. My customer does not want to hear from me that it was my employees fault i was wrong. I guess it is the same thing here... I do not go back and evaluate the problem to see if they are telling me the truth. At some point i have to rely on their expertise. Most times i win, sometimes i lose. But when the next job comes up, ill give it to the same guy again, eventually if i start seeing a trend of losing he will be gone, or i will be gone if i do nothing. I dont think there is reason to believe that this was a trend, it was a big mistake, city employees are no more or less capable then those in private business and people make mistakes. I think we need to be reassured by the council and staff and move on. We do not get excited because we hear walmart lost money due to poor projections because its not our money. It is harder for us to accept when its our money being lost.
azsu wrote: I watched the meeting after this came up, heard the explanation of what happened, but someone should have known the economy was tanking and the sales tax numbers would not be the same, ergo, a lesser amount should be inserted as anticipated income. the dismay shown by the council, the "I didn't know about this until 10 days ago" by the cm blows ones mind. somebody should have been able to interpret a spreadsheet and recognize what should have been a red flag
thats all the attention it gets till next year and that is simply not the case. So in a normal business environment, the person responsible would most likely be fired and the company would move on, but because this is YOUR money it really changes the dynamics of the problem. Again, i have full confidence that the council will get involved to ensure we dont see this again.
azsu wrote: Craig wrote: Assistant city manager. One can only assume he had direct responsibility in perdicting and tracking income for the city.
thank you craig;
why would it be his responsibility for the number transference? I'm thinking it was whoever did the spreadsheet and ultimately on the city manager's head
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I watched the meeting after this came up, heard the explanation of what happened, but someone should have known the economy was tanking and the sales tax numbers would not be the same, ergo, a lesser amount should be inserted as anticipated income. the dismay shown by the council, the "I didn't know about this until 10 days ago" by the cm blows ones mind. somebody should have been able to interpret a spreadsheet and recognize what should have been a red flag
thats all the attention it gets till next year and that is simply not the case. So in a normal business environment, the person responsible would most likely be fired and the company would move on, but because this is YOUR money it really changes the dynamics of the problem. Again, i have full confidence that the council will get involved to ensure we dont see this again.
azsu wrote: Craig wrote: Assistant city manager. One can only assume he had direct responsibility in perdicting and tracking income for the city.
thank you craig;
why would it be his responsibility for the number transference? I'm thinking it was whoever did the spreadsheet and ultimately on the city manager's head
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BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
You have a short memory...and you still think there's nothing negative in your statement? No BS not a short memory. I was moving on down the line like most people do, not fixated on the original post. Since we're now going back to the original, all I'm doing with this one (of which people agreed) is state Bob has a right to post on here as much as I do you do or anyone else does. He does not need to be constantly attacked for asking questions or making statements. And I do see that as a continual procedure for your hero. Is Bob getting too close to something that some want hushed up? Hmmm, just a thought. So, yes, I am advocating for allowing people to post on here just like freedom of speech, asking questions and making comments. And please, there is absolutely nothing anymore negative here than the treatment from your group.
You've got Raz & Co. going for throats...LOL...cuz they disagree with someone? Spare us your theatrics...you and Raz go round and round all the time so I think you used Bob as an excuse to go after Raz yet AGAIN. JMHO...take it or leave it. Oh come on there BigS, we all can read. It's the methods to the madness. And please, don't be acting so "surprized". Nope, I've been thinking for quite a while that I like Bob's persistence and since he objected more loudly than usual, thought I'd join in for support. That is what it's all about now isn't it, not lying down to get stomped? It's all about tenacity and then some.
Good for you, Mama...today's your day to finally stand up for Bob! How cool is that...cuz you were able to make it 2-fer by throw'n raz in there too. You are way too funny today...LOL Lady, you are about as hot and cold as they come.
And actually, a great test is coming up. This will be fun............
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BigSurprize
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Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
You have a short memory...and you still think there's nothing negative in your statement? No BS not a short memory. I was moving on down the line like most people do, not fixated on the original post. Since we're now going back to the original, all I'm doing with this one (of which people agreed) is state Bob has a right to post on here as much as I do you do or anyone else does. He does not need to be constantly attacked for asking questions or making statements. And I do see that as a continual procedure for your hero. Is Bob getting too close to something that some want hushed up? Hmmm, just a thought. So, yes, I am advocating for allowing people to post on here just like freedom of speech, asking questions and making comments. And please, there is absolutely nothing anymore negative here than the treatment from your group.
You've got Raz & Co. going for throats...LOL...cuz they disagree with someone? Spare us your theatrics...you and Raz go round and round all the time so I think you used Bob as an excuse to go after Raz yet AGAIN. JMHO...take it or leave it. Oh come on there BigS, we all can read. It's the methods to the madness. And please, don't be acting so "surprized". Nope, I've been thinking for quite a while that I like Bob's persistence and since he objected more loudly than usual, thought I'd join in for support. That is what it's all about now isn't it, not lying down to get stomped? It's all about tenacity and then some.
Good for you, Mama...today's your day to finally stand up for Bob! How cool is that...cuz you were able to make it 2-fer by throw'n raz in there too. You are way too funny today...LOL
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Aside from making a mistake on a spreadsheet, it also becomes a huge political issue. That is what makes it more complicated. Its not about making whoever is accountable pay the price, it is the perception of who is watching the store. The council/manager form of government. The council makes policy and the manager carries the policy out. As we talked about before a little on the reason staff and council talking, there is rules in place about the council involving themselves in the day to day operations. That being said, it is the city managers ultimate responsibility for what takes place in a situation like this. Also, there has to be accountability. But from the voters standpoint we tend to look at it as though the mayor and council have the responsibility of oversight. That is true in some respects but probably not in this case. However the voters can only hold the mayor and council accountable at election time. Since we can not fire the CM or any staff at election, that is taken out on the mayor and council. But i think that this mayor and council will take the necessary steps to get to the bottom of what happened and see to it that something is put in place to ensure this is not repeated. Truth is budgeting is not an exact science. There are so many variables in terms of revenue's that it is monitored daily. Unfortunately, those of us who are not involved in things like this have a tendency to think once the budget is passed then thats all the attention it gets till next year and that is simply not the case. So in a normal business environment, the person responsible would most likely be fired and the company would move on, but because this is YOUR money it really changes the dynamics of the problem. Again, i have full confidence that the council will get involved to ensure we dont see this again.
azsu wrote: Craig wrote: Assistant city manager. One can only assume he had direct responsibility in perdicting and tracking income for the city.
thank you craig;
why would it be his responsibility for the number transference? I'm thinking it was whoever did the spreadsheet and ultimately on the city manager's head
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Mr. Doug Sandstrom was our Assistant City Manager who over saw five large departments, as shown on the Organizational Chart.
The Finance/Budget Director for the City of Surprise is Mr. Robert Niles who has been with the city for a long time, and to my knowledge no one has been successful in questioning his figures in the past.
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BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
You have a short memory...and you still think there's nothing negative in your statement? No BS not a short memory. I was moving on down the line like most people do, not fixated on the original post. Since we're now going back to the original, all I'm doing with this one (of which people agreed) is state Bob has a right to post on here as much as I do you do or anyone else does. He does not need to be constantly attacked for asking questions or making statements. And I do see that as a continual procedure for your hero. Is Bob getting too close to something that some want hushed up? Hmmm, just a thought. So, yes, I am advocating for allowing people to post on here just like freedom of speech, asking questions and making comments. And please, there is absolutely nothing anymore negative here than the treatment from your group.
You've got Raz & Co. going for throats...LOL...cuz they disagree with someone? Spare us your theatrics...you and Raz go round and round all the time so I think you used Bob as an excuse to go after Raz yet AGAIN. JMHO...take it or leave it. Oh come on there BigS, we all can read. It's the methods to the madness. And please, don't be acting so "surprized". Nope, I've been thinking for quite a while that I like Bob's persistence and since he objected more loudly than usual, thought I'd join in for support. That is what it's all about now isn't it, not lying down to get stomped? It's all about tenacity and then some.
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Craig wrote: Assistant city manager. One can only assume he had direct responsibility in perdicting and tracking income for the city.
thank you craig;
why would it be his responsibility for the number transference? I'm thinking it was whoever did the spreadsheet and ultimately on the city manager's head
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Assistant city manager. One can only assume he had direct responsibility in perdicting and tracking income for the city.
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Ken Wright wrote: Wonder which city official told Doug to resign or be terminated?
Wonder if that person is clean?
Wonder if any council member(s) got involved in Doug's decision to "resign" ?
Wonder if we will ever hear Doug's side of the story?
Should council members be terminated (recalled) the next time they pull a financial blunder?
excuse my ignorance; who is doug and what does he have to do with the budget?
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Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
You have a short memory...and you still think there's nothing negative in your statement? No BS not a short memory. I was moving on down the line like most people do, not fixated on the original post. Since we're now going back to the original, all I'm doing with this one (of which people agreed) is state Bob has a right to post on here as much as I do you do or anyone else does. He does not need to be constantly attacked for asking questions or making statements. And I do see that as a continual procedure for your hero. Is Bob getting too close to something that some want hushed up? Hmmm, just a thought. So, yes, I am advocating for allowing people to post on here just like freedom of speech, asking questions and making comments. And please, there is absolutely nothing anymore negative here than the treatment from your group.
You've got Raz & Co. going for throats...LOL...cuz they disagree with someone? Spare us your theatrics...you and Raz go round and round all the time so I think you used Bob as an excuse to go after Raz yet AGAIN. JMHO...take it or leave it.
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BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
You have a short memory...and you still think there's nothing negative in your statement? No BS not a short memory. I was moving on down the line like most people do, not fixated on the original post. Since we're now going back to the original, all I'm doing with this one (of which people agreed) is state Bob has a right to post on here as much as I do you do or anyone else does. He does not need to be constantly attacked for asking questions or making statements. And I do see that as a continual procedure for your hero. Is Bob getting too close to something that some want hushed up? Hmmm, just a thought. So, yes, I am advocating for allowing people to post on here just like freedom of speech, asking questions and making comments. And please, there is absolutely nothing anymore negative here than the treatment from your group.
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Wonder which city official told Doug to resign or be terminated?
Wonder if that person is clean?
Wonder if any council member(s) got involved in Doug's decision to "resign" ?
Wonder if we will ever hear Doug's side of the story?
Should council members be terminated (recalled) the next time they pull a financial blunder?
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BigSurprize
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Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
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