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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 12:50 am |
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BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Brian Lameira wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
Well Put! The past is the past. All the bickering away from the past issues needs to be put behind us (RV). We need to give ideas and make it known when the council does something against the best interest of it's citizens. This is when the public steps up and points this out to the council and gives them the direction they must go or they will fail and we the people will have failed in our duties.
Debate ideas and leave the past alone. It doesn't help anyone but can be used to make sure the mistakes of the past are not repeated. Look forward, not backwards!
I think you got my drift partially right. I don't know Bob V personally, but I do know who he is. What I observe is he attempts to bring ideas and questions of the current council to the forefront only to be continually rebuked and maligned by one particular poster. Bob is someone who has past council experience. Who is better to be an observer and commenter if occasion calls for it? This is a public forum and unless one is banned, one has every right as much as the next person to post.
People disagree on here all the time...and unless they do something that gets them booted...nobody stops them from posting their opinions, cartoons and/or articles. You've encouraged, supported and you've rebuked and maligned your share on here...so what makes you think "Raz & Co" are acting any worse than what you've done?  Interesting. You really don't like it when people agree with those you argue against do you? Where's Raz -- I'm surprised he's not in here with you yet. By the way, I do like how you have finally begun to reveal the real you instead of cheerleading. I knew that would get your goat even though others stated it before me. And of course people disagree all the time. See what you're doing? Disagreeing with the fact that I posted something pro-Bob V and you and yours can't stand that cause you all like to gang up. What a treat!
I told you to be careful what you wish for! 
I could care less if you post in support of Bob (I've always been respectful to him but I do ask him questions from time to time...so?)...but somehow you weren't able to show your support without maligning someone else...were you? Looks like Mama & Co aren't any better than they accuse Raz & Co. of being. You've shown your real self lately too, kiddo......and it's not a pretty picture! 
Personally I've never seen you really post anything to him, unless you're Raz or Craig. I also have no idea what you're talking about in me maligning someone. I do like you more now than when you were cheerleading. That is a compliment and you really should learn how to accept one better. Was it the "gang up" sentence? I mean, come on, everyone sees how you posters do that: bump this and bump that and all at the same time, whatever. There's no maligning going on here. It's all very truthful.
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FYI !
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Mamazoyd wrote: BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Brian Lameira wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
Well Put! The past is the past. All the bickering away from the past issues needs to be put behind us (RV). We need to give ideas and make it known when the council does something against the best interest of it's citizens. This is when the public steps up and points this out to the council and gives them the direction they must go or they will fail and we the people will have failed in our duties.
Debate ideas and leave the past alone. It doesn't help anyone but can be used to make sure the mistakes of the past are not repeated. Look forward, not backwards!
I think you got my drift partially right. I don't know Bob V personally, but I do know who he is. What I observe is he attempts to bring ideas and questions of the current council to the forefront only to be continually rebuked and maligned by one particular poster. Bob is someone who has past council experience. Who is better to be an observer and commenter if occasion calls for it? This is a public forum and unless one is banned, one has every right as much as the next person to post.
People disagree on here all the time...and unless they do something that gets them booted...nobody stops them from posting their opinions, cartoons and/or articles. You've encouraged, supported and you've rebuked and maligned your share on here...so what makes you think "Raz & Co" are acting any worse than what you've done? Interesting. You really don't like it when people agree with those you argue against do you? Where's Raz -- I'm surprised he's not in here with you yet. By the way, I do like how you have finally begun to reveal the real you instead of cheerleading. I knew that would get your goat even though others stated it before me. And of course people disagree all the time. See what you're doing? Disagreeing with the fact that I posted something pro-Bob V and you and yours can't stand that cause you all like to gang up. What a treat!
I told you to be careful what you wish for!
I could care less if you post in support of Bob (I've always been respectful to him but I do ask him questions from time to time...so?)...but somehow you weren't able to show your support without maligning someone else...were you? Looks like Mama & Co aren't any better than they accuse Raz & Co. of being. You've shown your real self lately too, kiddo......and it's not a pretty picture!
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 12:23 am |
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BigSurprize wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Brian Lameira wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
Well Put! The past is the past. All the bickering away from the past issues needs to be put behind us (RV). We need to give ideas and make it known when the council does something against the best interest of it's citizens. This is when the public steps up and points this out to the council and gives them the direction they must go or they will fail and we the people will have failed in our duties.
Debate ideas and leave the past alone. It doesn't help anyone but can be used to make sure the mistakes of the past are not repeated. Look forward, not backwards!
I think you got my drift partially right. I don't know Bob V personally, but I do know who he is. What I observe is he attempts to bring ideas and questions of the current council to the forefront only to be continually rebuked and maligned by one particular poster. Bob is someone who has past council experience. Who is better to be an observer and commenter if occasion calls for it? This is a public forum and unless one is banned, one has every right as much as the next person to post.
People disagree on here all the time...and unless they do something that gets them booted...nobody stops them from posting their opinions, cartoons and/or articles. You've encouraged, supported and you've rebuked and maligned your share on here...so what makes you think "Raz & Co" are acting any worse than what you've done? Interesting. You really don't like it when people agree with those you argue against do you? Where's Raz -- I'm surprised he's not in here with you yet. By the way, I do like how you have finally begun to reveal the real you instead of cheerleading. I knew that would get your goat even though others stated it before me. And of course people disagree all the time. See what you're doing? Disagreeing with the fact that I posted something pro-Bob V and you and yours can't stand that cause you all like to gang up. What a treat!
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Mamazoyd wrote: Brian Lameira wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
Well Put! The past is the past. All the bickering away from the past issues needs to be put behind us (RV). We need to give ideas and make it known when the council does something against the best interest of it's citizens. This is when the public steps up and points this out to the council and gives them the direction they must go or they will fail and we the people will have failed in our duties.
Debate ideas and leave the past alone. It doesn't help anyone but can be used to make sure the mistakes of the past are not repeated. Look forward, not backwards!
I think you got my drift partially right. I don't know Bob V personally, but I do know who he is. What I observe is he attempts to bring ideas and questions of the current council to the forefront only to be continually rebuked and maligned by one particular poster. Bob is someone who has past council experience. Who is better to be an observer and commenter if occasion calls for it? This is a public forum and unless one is banned, one has every right as much as the next person to post.
People disagree on here all the time...and unless they do something that gets them booted...nobody stops them from posting their opinions, cartoons and/or articles. You've encouraged, supported and you've rebuked and maligned your share on here...so what makes you think "Raz & Co" are acting any worse than what you've done? Last edited on Sun Sep 13th, 2009 11:54 pm by BigSurprize
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 11:28 pm |
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Brian Lameira wrote: Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
Well Put! The past is the past. All the bickering away from the past issues needs to be put behind us (RV). We need to give ideas and make it known when the council does something against the best interest of it's citizens. This is when the public steps up and points this out to the council and gives them the direction they must go or they will fail and we the people will have failed in our duties.
Debate ideas and leave the past alone. It doesn't help anyone but can be used to make sure the mistakes of the past are not repeated. Look forward, not backwards!
I think you got my drift partially right. I don't know Bob V personally, but I do know who he is. What I observe is he attempts to bring ideas and questions of the current council to the forefront only to be continually rebuked and maligned by one particular poster. Bob is someone who has past council experience. Who is better to be an observer and commenter if occasion calls for it? This is a public forum and unless one is banned, one has every right as much as the next person to post.
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Mamazoyd wrote: Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
Well Put! The past is the past. All the bickering away from the past issues needs to be put behind us (RV). We need to give ideas and make it known when the council does something against the best interest of it's citizens. This is when the public steps up and points this out to the council and gives them the direction they must go or they will fail and we the people will have failed in our duties.
Debate ideas and leave the past alone. It doesn't help anyone but can be used to make sure the mistakes of the past are not repeated. Look forward, not backwards!
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 09:17 pm |
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I personally dont care if bob goes on and on about how the mayor and SOS railroaded him into irrelevance as far as city government goes. My only point is that as responsible citizens, it is time we try and focus on the future and not what happened 5 or 6 years ago as if that will change anything. This city has problems, it needs people to get involved and be part of the process to find solutions. It will be of no help if we keep hashing out history. We cant change history, but be can all pitch in and keep from repeating it. Thats all im thinking.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 09:12 pm |
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| it's about time someone said that.....thank you mamazoyd
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Craig wrote: I just hope its not about SOS.
As I see it Bob is right. Raz & Co. are going after certain posters' throats when something is posted they don't agree with. Don't you think crap like that pushes people into doing or saying something they would not ordinarily say? Who died and left them in control? If this is their forum, why don't they just prove that fact and then some of us will probably just go away cause there sure as hell isn't any reason to stay on it. Dispute or debate the written message but attempting to find out people's identity or to attack them, in a case like this where Bob is a known person, just as you are to many, or Mike Woodard, or even Brian Lameira, is not cool nor is it justified. I'd like to know where the ethics or civility comes in -- I don't see any.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 08:55 pm |
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I just hope its not about SOS.
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Razenkn
Your continued effort to malign me, might turn you on, so to defend myself I will start telling the story about Lyn Truitts involvement, is this what you want?
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rvukanovich wrote: We elect the Mayor and Council to watch over the City affairs, not the Manager or Staff.
I still don't know what Mayor Lyn Truitt and Council decided to do about this blunder the other night, other then make the necessary transfer.
It goes to show us that the City of Surprise has no leadership, what if we had a real crisis.
If we do not hire experienced people to take care of our City business, then why are we paying them? You of all people should know that Mayor and Council determine POLICY and set the budget. Not the day to day minutiae of running the City departments, we hire experts in their fields to do that. Even though that is what you tried to do and failed, that is not the role of the Mayor and Council. We pay our City employees very well and they do a great job. Now, do we destroy morale, destroy the community's confidence in the entire staff because one or two failed to do their job correctly? You need to take a deep breath there BV, and think about how you are maligning some very qualified and respected City staff members by way of trying to once again take cheap shots at the Mayor.
Always trying to be the Monday morning quarterback is just lame. Anyone can do that. 
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We elect the Mayor and Council to watch over the City affairs, not the Manager or Staff.
I still don't know what Mayor Lyn Truitt and Council decided to do about this blunder the other night, other then make the necessary transfer.
It goes to show us that the City of Surprise has no leadership, what if we had a real crisis.
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| using the same numbers from one budget year to the next was a mighty big mistake, given the state of the economy....things were starting to tank the end of 2007.
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| Mistakes are made everyday, that's why we have audits.
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If you go to the jump to menu under the video screen and select Item 12 that is where it is discussed. I think what Mayor Truitt meant when he said the other members can discuss it better then he could, he was as most were and are, so disgusted with what happen they were almost speechless. I hope that helped.
40:12 into the video.
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Amazingly Mayor Lyn Truitt took this Item out of the consent items, saying that other council members could probably address it better then he could.
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Craig wrote: Bob, pay attention. The city staff admitted thursday night that they dont tell the council everything, when the said they have known since may that there was 2.2 million allotted for projects that was not going to be used.
Craig I listened to the meeting online to try to find some discussion on the 4.5 mill loss but the only thing I found was Skip Hall asking for this to be discussed at the next meeting. Can you tell me what part of the meeting this was discussed so I can try to find it again online?
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ItsAllAConspiracy wrote: callmelou wrote: ItsAllAConspiracy wrote: callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote: rvukanovich wrote: If you saw the pictures that they showed tonight of Surprise or the way it will look, it's no wonder they are winning all kinds of awards, no way, shape or form does it resemble Surprise.
From what I know, some staff members spend all their time and I mean a lot of time and money doing this to make the city look good.
As apposed to you and your Coucil spending a lot of time making our City look bad??
WHAT??? Rants has made, not one, but TWO spelling errors?? The self proclaimed genius is self-destructing. So that's one error for each set of eight words...how can he have any credibility now...watch him try to spin that he has a superior dictionary which he can use to prove his spelling is correct.
You're on a roll now call! Looks like you won again!
I'm suspecting some sorta substance abuse. Two errors in one, short sentence from God's gifts top the far right is weird.
Now now... we know there is but *one* god. (He's the self proclaimed one in the Whitehouse! )
Actually, it's you cons who call him the Messiah. If there is a real God, tho, y'all are reallllly pissing him off.
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| Oh, thank you Raz. Sorry I got outside your control parameters, I promise to do my best not to breach them again. However, as a strong believer in a participative democracy, including an open and appropriate government at all levels in Surprise, I may make observations not to your liking. I hope Bob V. drops the matter of SOS and mayor Truitt, but that is his business. In the meantime, I intend to be fully engaged in the GO bond issue and other issues as I see fit. That is a fundamental right we all enjoy. Please feel free to critique my actions.
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Luckily we had a short fall in last years budget, other wise this council would have had 2.2 million that they could have spent, any way they wanted, without our approval.
Maybe this is the reason that they are ticked.
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I agree on the consent agenda. That truly needs to be limited to approving council minutes, liquor license and election results. Other than that everything else needs to be discussed. I dont think i would go so far as to say the council and management are working together in the way you are suggesting but i do agree that the management attempt to bush things through on the consent and the council does not make the necessary effort to look at what they should be looking at. Like i said earlier though, where are the real bosses ? Sittin at home saying well i guess were stuck till election time. My suggestion to all of them is get involved, pay attention and make your voices heard, just voting is no longer enough. I dont think the citizens of surprise can continue to be confident that the city is working in the best interest of the citizens.
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Staff, management and council have been working hand in hand in moving our money around, using transfers with numbers that we could not know, without going to the city hall, consent items without any discussion. Why do you think they put so much money in the Council’s Contingency Fund?
When Councilman Richard Alton with drew Item’s 8 & 9 look how Mayor Lyn Truitt handled that, Mr. Alton didn’t have a chance.
Before the end of last year’s budget the mayor and council was told by the manager to vote for a project, which they could later change. I believed at the time that this was done so that money was not transferred into the 2010 budget.
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Bob, pay attention. The city staff admitted thursday night that they dont tell the council everything, when the said they have known since may that there was 2.2 million allotted for projects that was not going to be used. This is a prime example. I understand padding the budget a little that makes sense. But when you are sure that monies will not be needed it needs to be known so we can use it where it is needed. That is not speculation that is fact by their own admission. Im sure there has always been this contention between the council and staff and not just in surprise but this practice need to come to an end for the benefit to the citizens. Just think, that money could have went to pay for the beloved street lights on bell and there would have been plenty left for the lights on reems. But of course since we lost track of 4.5 million that wont be happening. A major audit would be a reasonable next step in my opinion, will it cost us money? yes, but will it cost us 4.5 million like not doing it did? Hell no. This is your money, and it kills me that no one hardly showed up for the meeting. Until the citizens pack the council chambers week after week, pay attention and demand excellence then this kind of behavior and spending will continue to happen. I can assure you that if a couple of hundred showed up and demanded that they dont squander the money on the bridge project they would not have done it. But they know no one really cares. It is shameful... Most people agree that the buck stops with the boss, the city manager in regard to the 4.5 million. But the bottom line you and I are the boss of the council and the staff and the buck stops with us, and we failed big time.
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Sorry Ken
I did not realise that officials in the City of Surprise were suppressing information.
What kind of information are they keeping from the Citizens of Surprise? this would be a good topic on this web site.
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callmelou wrote: ItsAllAConspiracy wrote: callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote: rvukanovich wrote: If you saw the pictures that they showed tonight of Surprise or the way it will look, it's no wonder they are winning all kinds of awards, no way, shape or form does it resemble Surprise.
From what I know, some staff members spend all their time and I mean a lot of time and money doing this to make the city look good.
As apposed to you and your Coucil spending a lot of time making our City look bad??
WHAT??? Rants has made, not one, but TWO spelling errors?? The self proclaimed genius is self-destructing. So that's one error for each set of eight words...how can he have any credibility now...watch him try to spin that he has a superior dictionary which he can use to prove his spelling is correct.
You're on a roll now call! Looks like you won again!
I'm suspecting some sorta substance abuse. Two errors in one, short sentence from God's gifts top the far right is weird.
Now now... we know there is but *one* god. (He's the self proclaimed one in the Whitehouse! )
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 06:42 am |
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ItsAllAConspiracy wrote: callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote: rvukanovich wrote: If you saw the pictures that they showed tonight of Surprise or the way it will look, it's no wonder they are winning all kinds of awards, no way, shape or form does it resemble Surprise.
From what I know, some staff members spend all their time and I mean a lot of time and money doing this to make the city look good.
As apposed to you and your Coucil spending a lot of time making our City look bad??
WHAT??? Rants has made, not one, but TWO spelling errors?? The self proclaimed genius is self-destructing. So that's one error for each set of eight words...how can he have any credibility now...watch him try to spin that he has a superior dictionary which he can use to prove his spelling is correct.
You're on a roll now call! Looks like you won again!
I'm suspecting some sorta substance abuse. Two errors in one, short sentence from God's gifts top the far right is weird.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 06:08 am |
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callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote: rvukanovich wrote: If you saw the pictures that they showed tonight of Surprise or the way it will look, it's no wonder they are winning all kinds of awards, no way, shape or form does it resemble Surprise.
From what I know, some staff members spend all their time and I mean a lot of time and money doing this to make the city look good.
As apposed to you and your Coucil spending a lot of time making our City look bad??
WHAT??? Rants has made, not one, but TWO spelling errors?? The self proclaimed genius is self-destructing. So that's one error for each set of eight words...how can he have any credibility now...watch him try to spin that he has a superior dictionary which he can use to prove his spelling is correct.
You're on a roll now call! Looks like you won again!
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 06:06 am |
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Razenkn wrote: rvukanovich wrote: If you saw the pictures that they showed tonight of Surprise or the way it will look, it's no wonder they are winning all kinds of awards, no way, shape or form does it resemble Surprise.
From what I know, some staff members spend all their time and I mean a lot of time and money doing this to make the city look good.
As apposed to you and your Coucil spending a lot of time making our City look bad??
WHAT??? Rants has made, not one, but TWO spelling errors?? The self proclaimed genius is self-destructing. So that's one error for each set of eight words...how can he have any credibility now...watch him try to spin that he has a superior dictionary which he can use to prove his spelling is correct.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 05:55 am |
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Oh great, just what the City needs....two BV's...
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 05:16 am |
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| Read the tea leaves , Bob. Which Surprise officals engage in suppression of information?
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 04:30 am |
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I wouldn't have a clue.
Has anyone told you who is intimidating the management people from bringing their concerns forward?
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 04:00 am |
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| Mayor Truitt and SOS are ancient history not worthy of further discussion. It is so sad to see a fine person like Doug take the sacrificial altar. Certainly he did not act alone. I have heard from a number of informed people that some Surprise management people are afraid to bring up problems. If true, that type of intimidation needs to stop immediately. Free flow of information between staff subordinate to the CM and the CM and council is imperative.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 03:59 pm |
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Council Members told staff last night in no uncertain terms that they wanted all the financial information available, when making decisions.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 02:50 pm |
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rvukanovich wrote: Razenkn
Are you ready to carry on a conversation about Lyn Truitt and the SOS?
No.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 02:48 pm |
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Razenkn
Are you ready to carry on a conversation about Lyn Truitt and the SOS?
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 02:33 pm |
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rvukanovich wrote: If you saw the pictures that they showed tonight of Surprise or the way it will look, it's no wonder they are winning all kinds of awards, no way, shape or form does it resemble Surprise.
From what I know, some staff members spend all their time and I mean a lot of time and money doing this to make the city look good.
As apposed to you and your Coucil spending a lot of time making our City look bad??
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 05:14 am |
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Thanks Bob for your response. So it is safe to say they are still touting a city that no longer truly should be touted, at least at this time? Exactly like a few years back when it was announced in Money Magazine that Surprise was #1 in jobs and what it came down to was retail and real estate or jobs having to do therein. One of which being retail can't support anyone even single people for the most part and real estate for which the market was flooded. They are still trying to bring people in. Hmmm
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 05:04 am |
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If you saw the pictures that they showed tonight of Surprise or the way it will look, it's no wonder they are winning all kinds of awards, no way, shape or form does it resemble Surprise.
From what I know, some staff members spend all their time and I mean a lot of time and money doing this to make the city look good.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 04:54 am |
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Very interesting chain of events I'd say, particularly since Surprise has landed in one of the ten best places to retire. I'd like to ask "WHY?" Streets are normally too crowded, driving is erratic at best, strip malls are empty or partially empty, some buildings are half built and left to rot or whatever they do here, businesses are closing, homes are in foreclosure all over the place, in some areas beautiful orange groves that give fruit and oxygen were ripped out and now weeds are growing and dust devils have tons of dirt to spew, coyotes have lost their homes and now invade neighborhoods, it's way way too hot, dirty, and dusty, valley fever, skin cancer, jobs are on the OTHER side of the valley if they exist, so why retire in Surprise?
This really should not evoke a political discussion, so some of you retirees, what's the answer?
OK so I'll answer my own question on jobs. I guess if you've retired and never plan on returning to work, you're good to go.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 04:43 am |
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Very mixed message from the council tonight. First half they spent it like they have it, the second half complain about how they dont have it and will more then likely be getting less in the future. I feel they really need to come to grips with the economy.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 04:36 am |
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Should have been at the Council Meeting tonight, they know how to spend money and hold no one accountable when mistakes are made, all talk, no action.
To me it looks like Mayor Lyn Truitt has a stacked deck against Councilman Richard Alton.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 11:11 pm |
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I keep getting criticized when bringing up this subject; this could only be a drop in the bucket.
I have been ignored, whenever I tell the Mayor or a Council member things that they should look into, lots of luck and God Bless.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 10:16 pm |
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| You've got to ask - who is watching out for the citizens of Surprise. If heads don't roll on this, then we have a bigger problem than just the money!
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 10:14 pm |
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| http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LilyShumLeung
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:36 pm |
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| I certainly hope that's a joke
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 03:14 pm |
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There is a rumor going around the City of Surprise that we spent an additional quarter of a Mil on the new City Hall so that a shower could be installed for Councilman Joe Johnson after he played tennis.
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Posted: Sat Sep 5th, 2009 03:39 pm |
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| Council always likes to put controversial or unfavorable items that they don't want a discussion on, placed with the consent items. Last edited on Sat Sep 5th, 2009 03:40 pm by
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Posted: Sat Sep 5th, 2009 04:58 am |
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Item #9. You got to be kidding me. Decorative lights on a bridge that should not of had the money spent to beautify it. Once someone hits the bridge the color touch up paint won't even match and will look like sh**! They better vote that one down. The lights are a waste of money that could be spent elsewhere.
Item #16. YMCA is a good thing but I don't know about the location. I think there could have be a better location than that.
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