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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 06:58 pm |
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Someone caught wind of it and decided to let everyone know just before the election. It's a way I guess to take the eye off the other candidates so you have something else to talk about. Alton seems like a stand up guy but everyone is entitled to make a mistake or two providing they didn't know it was against any ethic policies. You learn by your mistakes and in most cases become a better person because of it. JMHO
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Razenkn wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: Razenkn wrote:
Now there's an infantile response for you. Guess I won this argument. LOL  
Talk about infantile, if you feel that you need to win a debate on a blog then you have no comprehension of a blog and it really does explain a lot about you and your postings since you didnt prove or provide anything other than lick the boots of your political friends. 
Perhaps you aren't comprehending that you posted a childish icon because you had no answer so you as usual turn to insult, where I come from that says the debate ended. Of course a blog is for debating, what are you on here for...just to hear yourself talk? Oh, well that could be...but that's your choice. I could care less what you do quite frankly.
You people on the left have such a double standard you live by. You can fight, sometimes viciously, actually personally attacking anyone who dares disagree with you for those you support and somehow that is taking a moral stance , but if the conservatives defend someone you say it's what "licking boots"? I could say the very same about you and I do and you do a fine job of it.
Sorry Pot,
I thought childrens rhymes and jokes were the new thing. I guess only for the right huh. Yeah no double standard I am sure. Well thanks for the lessons.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 06:54 pm |
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| Mr. Alton erred. Pure and simple. In terms of using his authority, the fact is Mr. Alton has no authority over any employee subordinate to the city manager. Councilors are restricted to seeking information only from employees. Unfortunately, the council has now starting to fester internally, somewhat due to the fear of some that Sharon Wolcott and Mike Woodard may be elected to council and bring a more analytical element to council deliberations. Neither of those candidates will tolerate dealing with issues brought to council with full knowledge possessed by some members, while others are kept much less informed.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 06:33 pm |
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| It is curious that this happened in February and is now coming to light in July. What is the deal with that?
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 06:24 pm |
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You are heading into the seriously conspiracy theories/false innuendo now BV. It was more than likely just a slow news day but my theory is if you don't want to make the news then you need to be more responsible with your authority. He has no one to blame but himself. Our officers should be respected and not be used as his personal gophers. Had they volunteered their services, that would have been a whole different scenario.
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Your theory is certainly plausible, that some one set on the story until he voted against selling the Go Bonds.
What Richard Alton did was against City Policy, so we have to assume that City Manager Randy Oliver had to tell Mayor Lyn Truitt.
Do you believe Staff or the Mayor told the paper.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 05:00 pm |
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Someone that doesn't like the fact Mr. Alton is not a lapdog sat on the story until an opportune time to reveal the incident. This type of manuevering will not bring Richard Alton into "compliance" someone seeks.Look at the timing, immediately after Mr. Alton voted "no" on placing a GO bond issue on the November ballot.
The Arizona Republic investigative reporters are diligent in pursuit of news concerning Surprise government, reporting extensively on matters of concern to the public. There does to be an orchestrated effort in Surprise city hall to supress/control information. This should never be allowed to succede. Republic reporters require uninhibited access to public information in order to keep the public informed. JMHO.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 04:36 pm |
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Come on bob you know how that works. Someone in the know leaks this stuff to them all the time. It would be more interesting if we found out who gave it to the paper then the story itself. You can almost bet its more than likely a self serving politician or a crony thereof.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 04:31 pm |
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If it was not a story, how did it get into the largest newspaper in Arizona?
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 04:11 pm |
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And if the officer would have said this in not above board and then alton made some kind of threat then we would have a story.
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Excerpt from the Arizona Republic
"I'm friends with these officers," Alton said. "Can you swing by my house? No big deal."
When asked the name of the officer, who drove the keys to his house, Alton said he didn't know.
"I depend on the integrity of the officer (to tell me) if it's out of policy," Alton said. "It was very innocent . . . it was not a big deal."
Why is it, every time a councilperson from Surprise, does something that is not kosher, which happens quite frequently, always justifies it by saying it was not a big deal?
Actions like this is a big deal, they must have gone to a different school.
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Alton could have said "I have to leave. I'll be right back. I forgot to give my wife the keys." and the police sargent could have offered, but the second he asked the favor he was overstepping his bounds.
Or he could have pick up his phone and called a taxi to pick up the keys and deliver them to his wife.
Way to many times, power changes people and not in a good way - they feel entitled. He should have been accountable for his own actions and not asked for someone else to do what he should have done. A I would probably bet my house on the fact that the off duty officer was scare that their would be repercussions if he did not deliver the keys. Too bad, so sad!
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Razenkn wrote:
Now there's an infantile response for you. Guess I won this argument. LOL
Talk about infantile, if you feel that you need to win a debate on a blog then you have no comprehension of a blog and it really does explain a lot about you and your postings since you didnt prove or provide anything other than lick the boots of your political friends.
--And That's The Way It Is--For Saturday, July 18,2009.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Razenkn wrote:
Now there's an infantile response for you. Guess I won this argument. LOL
Talk about infantile, if you feel that you need to win a debate on a blog then you have no comprehension of a blog and it really does explain a lot about you and your postings since you didnt prove or provide anything other than lick the boots of your political friends.
Perhaps you aren't comprehending that you posted a childish icon because you had no answer so you as usual turn to insult, where I come from that says the debate ended. Of course a blog is for debating, what are you on here for...just to hear yourself talk? Oh, well that could be...but that's your choice. I could care less what you do quite frankly.
You people on the left have such a double standard you live by. You can fight, sometimes viciously, actually personally attacking anyone who dares disagree with you for those you support and somehow that is taking a moral stance , but if the conservatives defend someone you say it's what "licking boots"? I could say the very same about you and I do and you do a fine job of it.
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| Its a non story and he should have not gone there. I agree. In this day in age you have to be careful of everything you say, do and think. I liken it to teaching an old dog new tricks. No one is perfect. The good news thats the biggest scandal this council has had since Joe Johnson violated the open meeting law so we are making progress.
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| I don't think it's newsworthy, but as long as it was made public and we are discussing it, that's my input. I think it's a non-story, but I also think the councilman was in the wrong.
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I guess im just from another time zone. Im starting to see that more and more the older i get. In the less PC days this would have been on big deal. Thats not where we live anymore.
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Craig all of what you said may be true. As you say we can only speculate. However, I think it was wrong of Alton to even ask such a favor in the first place. It was downright rude. Would you ask a cop to run keys to your wife? I wouldn't ask a cop to run keys to my husband. Fact of the matter is, Alton took advantage of his position and put both members of the police department in a position they shouldn't have been in in the first place.
Alton could have said "I have to leave. I'll be right back. I forgot to give my wife the keys." and the police sargent could have offered, but the second he asked the favor he was overstepping his bounds.
The cop shouldn't have to do an errand like that to win merit points either. If he is in a position to think an errand like that could be good for him, that's exactly what I mean by pressure.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18th, 2009 01:38 pm |
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All i know if that is i was the cop and i was asked to run the errand, i cant think of a reason i wouldnt do it. The slant of comments have been on the negative side by a lot of people saying he was pressured, he was scared not to ect. The other side of that is he might have viewed it as an opportunity to put a feather in his cap for the future. Maybe he thinks the only bad thing that happened here was Alton doesnt know his name. People do things like that to help advance their own careers. Just a thought. The guy might just be a helper kind of guy. But i guess untill we know who he is , we will never know for sure.
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What I noticed is that nobody seems to care that this poor off duty cop comes to enjoy a tennis game and he's sent on an errand as soon as he gets there. So, he has to miss part of the tournament because he's pressured by his boss to run a personal errand for a city councilman. That's really not fair to this poor guy.
Why do a set of keys need to be run to this guy's home in the first place? Nobody has even made clear the reason this delivery was so important. It seems to me that the only perceived importance here was the councilman towards himself.
How dare he put the police department through that kind of pressure for a personal errand? Get off your lazy tush, miss a few minutes of the tournament, and take care of your wife, Sir. It's better than making that poor cop have to miss out.
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Razenkn wrote:
Now there's an infantile response for you. Guess I won this argument. LOL
Talk about infantile, if you feel that you need to win a debate on a blog then you have no comprehension of a blog and it really does explain a lot about you and your postings since you didnt prove or provide anything other than lick the boots of your political friends.
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| I think what Alton did was wrong. He said he didn't drop the keys off himself because he was at the event, a tennis tournament, in an official capacity. My question is: What official capacity? He had nothing to do with the tennis tournament. He wasn't a player, referre, ballboy, etc. What was he doing that he couldn't run home and drop the keys off. I guess he was smoozing (sp) with the big shots. Don't get me wrong, I like Alton when he stands up to the Council when it comes to asking $ questions. This went a little too far.
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by Lily Leung - Jul. 16, 2009 11:34 AM
During the Fed Cup tournament, Alton asked Ferrara if there was an on-duty officer at the city tennis complex who was heading to the Sun City Grand community and could drop off keys to his wife, Hughes said.
Unless Chief Hughes was misquoted, what Councilman Richard Alton asked for, was an on-duty officer.
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I think your all going a little far. I expect had this been the mayor we would not be so quick to judge. This probably should not have happened, however remember. The officer was off duty, no city vehicle was used therefore no city funds expended. In all my years working in various industries as well as the military. I have done favors for my superiors and i guess im not seeing the big deal here. I think the key here is when and if the officer is identified and he gives a statement then perhaps you will have something to talk about but as it stands this is a hollow story. But have fun.
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Things have sure changed since I was on the council, I got chewed out by the Mayor when I asked an employee working on Bell Rd a question.
Councilmen John Longabaugh, Joe Johnson and Richard Alton have done things that they shouldn't have, Longabaugh received a fine (from his own attorney), Joe Johnson admitted guilt, Richard Alton should receive a reprimand from the City Council.
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| In Joe Johnson, the most arrogant of all is still around. Johnson never did apoligize to the council nor the public for his multiple transgressions. Joe's antics were preconcieved and involved conspiracy with other council members. The allegation he had talked with a senior staffer to replace Jim Rumpeltes as city manager was never investigated thoroughly even though the staffer is still employed in the same position. No contest that Mr. Alton erred. Mr. Alton is a disiciplined man that lives by a code of personal honor. If I had to charge a hill , Iwould want him by my side. That's a lot more than I can say than for some of the CA's seen on the council the last few years.
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And I would have to agree with Mr Alton on that, but was it just a thoughtless mistake or was it another case of a council member throwing his weight around? Why didn't he just call his wife and have her come get the keys, call a 'real' friend or a neighbor? Or how about jumping in his vehicle and running them home himself, would the tournament have come to a standstill if he wasn't there for 15 minutes? Can't imagine someone with that authority over city employees putting them in such an awkward position as that. We've had council members in the past who thought they could get by with such arrogance but they are no longer around.
I hope he apologizes directly to the officers involved and to the Chief for overstepping his bounds.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 08:29 pm |
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According to the article, Councilman Richard Alton admits it was a mistake.
Police deliver keys as 'favor' to councilman
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Heres a thought. Even cops are citizens, making the cop altons boss. So the superior did a favor for the subordinate.
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Not picking on you bob just making a statement
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Wasn’t making anything out of it, just posting the news.
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Bob, like i posted on the republic, he was off duty, and he asked. Should be a non story, although interesting , nothing too it.
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Should Surprise police have agreed to deliver keys for Councilman Richard Alton?
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rvukanovich wrote: I could better answer, if you explain how I am bashing our City Leaders when expressing my view that we should be accomplishing more then we have.
As you have said, it is only your opinion not fact, that I have been throwing out bitter and inane innuendoes.
Ummm, actually, if I cared to waste my time in doing so (and I have no interest in doing so) I could easily go into your THREE threads that you mostly talk to yourself and bring up many, many of such comments, so it isn't my opinion, it is fact. If anyone reading this wants to go read through them they will understand what I'm saying to be factual.
Bashing them by insinuation of wrong doing and snarky innuendo is trashing some very fine men who are working hard for our City. If it's your opinion, then you should say so, but you don't. If it is fact, then you should support it. You throw out the political bombs and let them lie there hoping someone will come along and get all outraged so you have something to report, but of course it doesn't happen because they consider the source and move on to other threads. What you do is counterproductive, not helping. JMHO
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I could better answer, if you explain how I am bashing our City Leaders when expressing my view that we should be accomplishing more then we have.
As you have said, it is only your opinion not fact, that I have been throwing out bitter and inane innuendoes.
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rvukanovich wrote: Raz
Why is it so hard for you to answer my questions?
I did, you just didn't like my answer. Why are you so focused on bashing our City leaders, why don't you tell us what it is that you think they should be doing that they aren't instead of throwing out bitter and inane innuendos? Why is that so hard for you to answer that?
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Ms. Boots wrote: Rome wasn't made in a day so the saying goes and the economy isn't on the side of progress right now. So keeping all that in mind, I would say we are doing just fine. JMHO
Wow, rantsnraves....it hit you! Rome wasn't built in a day...the economy cannot be rebuilt in a day either....I'm glad you think we're all "doing just fine".....guess you do 12 threads bashing the President just out of boredom then.
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Rome wasn't made in a day so the saying goes and the economy isn't on the side of progress right now. So keeping all that in mind, I would say we are doing just fine. JMHO
Wow, rantsnraves....it hit you! Rome wasn't built in a day...the economy cannot be rebuilt in a day either....I'm glad you think we're all "doing just fine".....guess you do 12 threads bashing the President just out of boredom then.
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Why is it so hard for you to answer my questions?
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BOB, WHO COULD FORGET YOU?? LOL I don't know what you want from me. It's not me who is trashing and bashing this Mayor and Council. I don't need to write you a laundry list of what has been accomplished because you already know it. You watch every move they make and then come on here and make false innuendos and snarky remarks about everything they do, I'm not getting into that trap with you. What is it that you feel they are falling so short on because I just don't see it. It's more about you then it is about this Mayor and Council and I think your harsh and sometimes nasty innuendos are very counterproductive for our City. If you don't like something they are doing, that is one thing, but to throw out those inane comments with nothing to back them up is quite another. You need to stop doing that.
Bottom line is..... I am happy with this Mayor and Council. Pay attention to this BV because this is about the fourth time I've posted this for you. They make me proud. They represent our City well. We are no longer the laughing stock of the West Valley and we aren't operating in the red. We only had a few minor lay offs which was probably over due and our City is functioning very well. All services are top notch and we are a safe City. So what is it that you are on here complaining about every day, nothing more than because they don't do what you want them too?? Wow, that's serious.
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Have you forgotten, I am still here, waiting for your answer.
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Now there's an infantile response for you. Guess I won this argument. LOL
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LOL ok!!! 
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The annual salary for the Mayor of Surprise
Salary $ 34,030.00
Phone stipend $ 1,260.00
Health insurance
City’s contributions to the Elected Official’s Retirement Plan is 28.0%
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LucifersLandlord wrote: rvukanovich wrote: Raz
You said "Mayor Truitt came to office to serve the people of Surprise and is doing a great job of it".
I am not being critical but help me understand in what way is Mayor Lyn Truitt serving the people and what has he accomplished so far?
There would be your answer Bob, some people on here are unable to provide any facts and any proof of their comments although they expect it from you. They apparently are only here to attack anyone who posts and cover up the Mayors lackluster performance. Notice they never answers the question they just throw it back to you and expects you to answer. This brings it back to the political end of my question Bob. Why the love fest with the Mayor even though he does nothing? Could it be just politics and really not having the city in mind at all? Why would the people who wished Joe out so bad turn around a comfort him? His competition in the upcoming elections would be a good place to start. That should tell you more than you need to know. Keep up the good work Bob!!!!!
More misinformation. Who is "comforting" Joe? I very clearly said he deserved his criticism. So, who are all these people that are "comforting" him? That is a dishonest statement luci. I will admit to having mixed feelings about him at this juncture however. He has stepped up to the plate and he is in a completely different environment that he was in the past council so I do see a change in behavior. That doesn't mean anyone is 'comforting' him (weird choice of words luci) it just means Joe is showing a different side of himself, it was his past behaviors that made people "want him out so bad" but that isn't going on today so some see him in a different light. Doesn't mean anything. I think you are just reading something into this that doesn't exist for drama sake. I agree with the "past behavior is the indicator for future behaviors" so I'm waiting to see how this plays out and see who steps to the forefront, Joe, Brian or Mike.
It is of your opinion that Mayor Truitt is "lackluster" and it is my opinion that he is doing a great job. If bringing back honor and dignity to our City, being the consummate professional (apparently you have conveniently forgotten the three ring circus council meetings and headlines in the past), always knowledgeable of the issues at hand, even handed leadership and involved in all aspects of the City as being "lackluster" and again that is just your opinion, don't make it so though. How about some facts when you bash and trash. I'm not doing that, I'm supporting what I see so far and what I see so far I like. Rome wasn't made in a day so the saying goes and the economy isn't on the side of progress right now. So keeping all that in mind, I would say we are doing just fine. JMHO
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rvukanovich wrote: Raz
You said "Mayor Truitt came to office to serve the people of Surprise and is doing a great job of it".
I am not being critical but help me understand in what way is Mayor Lyn Truitt serving the people and what has he accomplished so far?
There would be your answer Bob, some people on here are unable to provide any facts and any proof of their comments although they expect it from you. They apparently are only here to attack anyone who posts and cover up the Mayors lackluster performance. Notice they never answers the question they just throw it back to you and expects you to answer. This brings it back to the political end of my question Bob. Why the love fest with the Mayor even though he does nothing? Could it be just politics and really not having the city in mind at all? Why would the people who wished Joe out so bad turn around a comfort him? His competition in the upcoming elections would be a good place to start. That should tell you more than you need to know. Keep up the good work Bob!!!!!
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Razenkn wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: Watchman wrote: From your statement you don't believe in any of the candidates running for District 5. Not even giving the other two a chance to see what they can do if elected. Already counting them out. Brian or Mike I feel will make a much better candidate then Joe any day. So that is a major step up from what we have now.
I agree Joe has to go, the political implications are strange here and the thought the Truitts new lapdog is everybodies friend after the constant pounding he took before Truitt came to power is quite odd. There seems to be something else going on there...
Really, like what luci?? What is strange and what else is going?? You're speaking in tongues. Mayor Truitt didn't come to "power" that is how the last council viewed themselves. People continue to forget that. Mayor Truitt came to office to serve the people of Surprise and is doing a great job of it. So, even though you and your buddy BV throw out lots of innuendo and conjecture but no facts says that is because you don't have any.
Joe took a lot of pounding prior to this council because he deserved it. But it's wrong to try to smear this Mayor and council as somehow being a party to what took place in the past because that is wrong. Just trying to be objective on this but calling people 'lapdogs'...making statements such as 'odd' "strange' 'something else going on here'....is all innuendo. Thought that should be pointed out.
Of course you are pointing that out and your not helping your buddies by doing so, you are only adding to the mystery. Why all of a sudden a change in what is good for the city Raz. Truitt has not done anything good other than be silent and let the city fall around his ears. His best friend on the council is one of the most disliked people and you are defending them every step of the way and offering nothing other than innuendo that they are doing some great job. Please back of the boot licking, even Truitt can see you are not helping just looking like you have nothing better to do than try and stir the pot and cover up. Truitt should take a lesson from you on being transparent you are good at it though .
Sorry luci, that is just a bunch of blather coming from someone that didn't get his guy into office. Time to move past. What is it exactly that Mayor Truitt hasn't done that has you so down on him and that backs up your statement of "the city falling around his ears" which is just plain silliness. The next question is why do you believe that Joe is his best friend on the council, because he was named Vice Mayor? That wasn't Mayor Truitt's decision alone and come on, how many years does one have to be on the council before they get selected for that position? If we could have Danny as a VM, then anyone should be allowed that honor. Give me a break. Because he gives him opportunities to shine, he does that for all the councilmembers. That is what makes him a strong leader, he gives them the chance to succeed. He's just doing his job. When the council does well as goes the City.
So, you do a lot of negative, bitter BV type innuendo but without merit. Sorry. I don't think that helps the City in any way. Just the facts Max.
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Raz
You said "Mayor Truitt came to office to serve the people of Surprise and is doing a great job of it".
I am not being critical but help me understand in what way is Mayor Lyn Truitt serving the people and what has he accomplished so far?
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Razenkn wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: Watchman wrote: From your statement you don't believe in any of the candidates running for District 5. Not even giving the other two a chance to see what they can do if elected. Already counting them out. Brian or Mike I feel will make a much better candidate then Joe any day. So that is a major step up from what we have now.
I agree Joe has to go, the political implications are strange here and the thought the Truitts new lapdog is everybodies friend after the constant pounding he took before Truitt came to power is quite odd. There seems to be something else going on there...
Really, like what luci?? What is strange and what else is going?? You're speaking in tongues. Mayor Truitt didn't come to "power" that is how the last council viewed themselves. People continue to forget that. Mayor Truitt came to office to serve the people of Surprise and is doing a great job of it. So, even though you and your buddy BV throw out lots of innuendo and conjecture but no facts says that is because you don't have any.
Joe took a lot of pounding prior to this council because he deserved it. But it's wrong to try to smear this Mayor and council as somehow being a party to what took place in the past because that is wrong. Just trying to be objective on this but calling people 'lapdogs'...making statements such as 'odd' "strange' 'something else going on here'....is all innuendo. Thought that should be pointed out.
Of course you are pointing that out and your not helping your buddies by doing so, you are only adding to the mystery. Why all of a sudden a change in what is good for the city Raz. Truitt has not done anything good other than be silent and let the city fall around his ears. His best friend on the council is one of the most disliked people and you are defending them every step of the way and offering nothing other than innuendo that they are doing some great job. Please back of the boot licking, even Truitt can see you are not helping just looking like you have nothing better to do than try and stir the pot and cover up. Truitt should take a lesson from you on being transparent you are good at it though .
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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 06:32 pm |
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Watchman wrote: From your statement you don't believe in any of the candidates running for District 5. Not even giving the other two a chance to see what they can do if elected. Already counting them out. Brian or Mike I feel will make a much better candidate then Joe any day. So that is a major step up from what we have now.
I agree Joe has to go, the political implications are strange here and the thought the Truitts new lapdog is everybodies friend after the constant pounding he took before Truitt came to power is quite odd. There seems to be something else going on there...
Really, like what luci?? What is strange and what else is going?? You're speaking in tongues. Mayor Truitt didn't come to "power" that is how the last council viewed themselves. People continue to forget that. Mayor Truitt came to office to serve the people of Surprise and is doing a great job of it. So, even though you and your buddy BV throw out lots of innuendo and conjecture but no facts says that is because you don't have any.
Joe took a lot of pounding prior to this council because he deserved it. But it's wrong to try to smear this Mayor and council as somehow being a party to what took place in the past because that is wrong. Just trying to be objective on this but calling people 'lapdogs'...making statements such as 'odd' "strange' 'something else going on here'....is all innuendo. Thought that should be pointed out.
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