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For some odd reason you continue to assume luci that nobody is reading past the titles. I think everyone gets it, there are a few smart people on here. We could only pray it was just a misinterpretation of the title. It's much deeper and much more dangerous than that, but having said that, the title is as dishonest as BHO is, that is probably why everyone is renaming it just to set the record straight, nothing wrong with that.
The Kool Aid drinkers are lined up with kids and dogs in tow to get a coveted ticket to see the Messiah on Wednesday. Kind of makes you sick to think they are sitting there in the dark and cold hoping to get asked a question so they can beg for something. What has happened to Americans and where is their pride? This is what the liberal Congress and administration is doing for our people, turning them into a bunch of beggers and victims. Disgusting. 
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cindisue_g wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: The problem with the plan is everybody complaining about it cannot get past the titles to really see what its all about.
LucifersLandloard, would you then please show us how we are wrong about the stimulus package? According to polls, there is alot of the voting public that disagree with it and feel that it will not do as President Obama has said it would and is full of unnecessary spending.
Hi Cindisue, well I read thru as much as I could. I do see alot of spending that is not needed. Mostly in an attempt to win votes from congressional leaders. We know that not one senator or congressperson has the entire nation at heart just their little piece. So now the wooing starts to get it passed. We all know it cause we saw it with the last package too. The bulk of the plan appears to be a good attempt to rebuild our country. Now I travel back east alot and did a short 6 month stay there to and the infrastructure sucks. We are blessed to be living in a relatively new city. As for polls well if they dont do there job then vote them out..... It happened before and will happen again. By the way I never said you were wrong, I recommend reading past the titles and rehtoric...
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sometimes irrational wrote:
Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form. Why? Easy! To win votes in the November election and to sway congressional votes for his stimulus package. Consider . . .
Jobs lost: Current recession = 2.2%; 1981-82 recession = 2.2%; Great Depression = 4.8%; 1931 = 6.5%; and 1932 = 7.1%
Unemployment: Current recession = 7.6%; 1982 peak = 10.8%; 1932 peak = 25.2%
GDP Decline: 2009 projected = 2.0%; 1982 = 1.9%; 1930 = 9.0%; 1931 = 8.0%; 1932 = 13.0%
Auto Production Decline: 2007 = 25%; 1932 = 90%;
Bank Failures: 2008 = dozen; 1933 = 10,000 1987-88 S&L crisis = 3,000
Stock Market Drop: 2008 = 40%; 1930s = 90%
(Source: WSJ)
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A link to the WSJ opinion piece from which these statistics and comparisons were drawn, "Obama's Rhetoric Is the Real Catastrophe'", by Bradley R. Schiller, might prove of interest to some and provide context.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123457303244386495.html
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Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form. Why? Easy! To win votes in the November election and to sway congressional votes for his stimulus package. Consider . . .
Jobs lost: Current recession = 2.2%; 1981-82 recession = 2.2%; Great Depression = 4.8%; 1931 = 6.5%; and 1932 = 7.1%
Unemployment: Current recession = 7.6%; 1982 peak = 10.8%; 1932 peak = 25.2%
GDP Decline: 2009 projected = 2.0%; 1982 = 1.9%; 1930 = 9.0%; 1931 = 8.0%; 1932 = 13.0%
Auto Production Decline: 2007 = 25%; 1932 = 90%;
Bank Failures: 2008 = dozen; 1933 = 10,000 1987-88 S&L crisis = 3,000
Stock Market Drop: 2008 = 40%; 1930s = 90%
(Source: WSJ)
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090215/bs_nm/us_usa_stimulus
Not even signed and hes making excuses for it already. GO O !
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Democrats, Health Care "Reform," And Your "Duty To Die"
Welcome to the Era of Obama. You now have a duty to die.
I'm not saying that someday you will die (that's a given).
And I'm not saying that you should be given the "right to die" - - the freedom to take your own life, or to direct your Doctor to put you out of your misery - - that's something entirely different.
I'm saying that someday, if current trends continue, your United States Government will determine that you have a “duty,” an obligation, to die.
It’s bad enough that hundreds of congressional members voted to spend nearly one trillion of our dollars, without even reading the so-called “economic stimulus bill” and without knowing fully what our money is being spent on. It’s even more horrific to know that more of our tax dollars are being allocated to the Office Of Health Information and Technology, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services, and that the bill also provides for the beginnings of a nationwide “health records database” that will track the healthcare of every person in the country.
As recently as last Monday, President Obama was praising the nationalization of health records, and the “conversion” of health records to electronic formats, noting that managing electronic data is less costly than managing hardcopy documents. But unfortunately, the creation of a nationalized health records database also creates another means of “cost cutting” - - namely, the denial of medical treatments to severely ill and elderly patients.
Language in the health care sections of the “stimulus bill” stipulates that the Department of H.H.S. will provide “appropriate information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care,” and also allows for “penalties” to be assessed to physicians who “spend too much” on individual patients. Essentially, we now have the beginnings of a governmental agency that eventually will, by force of law, determine which persons will be eligible for health care, and what treatment they will receive.
As noted in a recent Bloomberg news article, the way in which the Office Of Health Information and Technology is being expanded emulates the plans put forth in “Critical: What We Can Do About The Health Care Crisis,” a book authored by former Senator (and would-be HHS Secretary) Tom Daschle. In the book, Daschle praises the Western European nations for, among other things, the ways in which they have “nationalized” health care, and have ‘contained” health care costs.
Yet, not surprisingly, Western Europe’s utopian ambitions to “insure everybody” and make healthcare “free” have by no means been realized. In fact, the nationalizing of healthcare in Europe has led to worsening government deficits, and increased healthcare costs, and efforts to contain those costs have resulted in the denial of treatment to those persons not expected to live much longer - - that is, the elderly and the seriously ill.
This “need” to deny people health care has frequently, in Europe, been cast in terms of one’s “duty to die.” The idea is that, once you have lived “long enough;” after you have consumed your “fair share” of the earth’s resources; and when your combined age and health conditions make it “obvious” that further efforts to prolong your life just simply “aren’t worth it;” you will then have a responsibility to accept these consequences, and to accept that you’ll just have to get along without life-sustaining healthcare.
In other words, once a government employee has determined that spending healthcare resources on you will not produce much of a “return on the investment,” you will then have a “duty to die.”
Forget the notion that the Doctor-patient relationship is “sacred,” or that you will make “private” decisions about your health care, in consultation with your Doctor. If Democrats continue the trend of "Europeanizing" our American health care, the office of the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology will eventually be overseeing your healthcare, making sure that if your Doctor spends “too much” on you, they will face federal “penalties, ” the likes of which have yet to be fully defined.
For over three decades, the Democratic Party has insisted that it is wrong for government to “interfere” with a woman’s medical decisions with respect to the child in the womb. Now, President Obama and congressional Democrats are insisting that government must be involved in everybody’s medical decisions. Worse yet, their proposals threaten human life on yet another front: not only are unborn children threatened by their policies, but so, also, are the ill and the elderly.
If Americans continue voting for “more government” as a means to “cure” all our societal ills, we will continue to move closer to the point where anonymous government bureaucrats determine when you have lived “long enough,” when you have consumed your “fair share” of resources, and when it is “obvious” that you won’t live much longer.
President Obama and the Democratic Congress are determined to take us to this point.
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| are you saying the dems are acting like the pubbies? what kind of sad commentary is that?
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cindisue_g wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: The problem with the plan is everybody complaining about it cannot get past the titles to really see what its all about.
LucifersLandloard, would you then please show us how we are wrong about the stimulus package? According to polls, there is alot of the voting public that disagree with it and feel that it will not do as President Obama has said it would and is full of unnecessary spending.
What part of 30 Million dollars to shore up the Harvest mouse habitat in San Francisco are we misunderstanding? I can get past the lying title of Stimulus because it is what it is, Pork Spending that we were promised wouldn't happen, but I can't get past the amount, THIS BILL WILL COST US ONE TRILLION dollars. And guess what, WE DON'T HAVE A TRILLION DOLLARS to waste on mouse crap.
Beyond the amount is the social engineering that has been stuck stealthly into this bill and that is the why we are getting the bums rush on it, not because we are in an emergency situation and can't wait one more week to allow everyone time to read it, NO. They DON'T WANT anyone to read it. The PORK spending is a distraction from what is really going on with this slimey bill and if you people were worried about President Bush "listening in on Al-Qaeda's conversations" and screamed how that was taking away Americans Privacy rights, YOU A'INT SEEN NOTHING compared to what's wrapped up into this democracy killer.
Want more clarity on exactly what this bill is about? Watch on FNC tonight at 7 PM, channel 47 (Cox) and the name of the show is HOW TO SPEND A TRILLION DOLLARS. It will leave your jaw hanging on the floor and the hair standing up on the back of your neck. Before anybody starts the old diatribe about FNC, I've already watched it and it shows BOTH sides of the aisle. It is astounding.
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BigSurprize wrote: Okay...so what are you planning to buy with your $13.00? I hope you're not gonna spend it all in one place...spread the wealth! 
I've been giving that some considerable thought. Two McDonald lunches a week (mealdeals) but then the "fat" police will be patroling so that's out. It's not enough to cover a haircut, for me or my dog, so that's out. It's not enough to fill up my gas guzzler, so that's out. It's not enough to go to the movies unless I go alone, so that's out. I could get my car washed but not the good one. I need a new cartridge for my printer, but it's not enough so that's out. Won't get me a new shirt unless I go to the Goodwill, guess I could do that. Forget a pair of shoes or jacket, won't need them anyway, can't afford to go anywhere now.
Any suggestions what we can do with this monster TAX BREAK???? I can think of one big one but it could get me arrested.
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Reposted from Survivalblog.com:
If the next few years go the way some are expecting, and the country moves in the direction of an authoritarian socialist state, the gray man will do some things his friends may not expect nor initially agree with:
The gray man will put a pro-government bumper sticker on his vehicle, in contrast with the beliefs in his heart.
The gray man will smile when the police come to his door to collect his firearms. He’ll happily hand over his registered weapons at the door and thank the officers for their work, while his cache of unregistered weapons is safely hidden away.
He’ll be first in line to receive his sub-dermal ID chip, and will smile as it is implanted. He’ll then return home and remove it himself, treat and stitch the wound himself, wear long-sleeve shirts until the wound heals, and rub the scar with oil until it disappears. He’ll carry the chip under his sleeve or inside his watch so as to blend in with society, until such time as he wishes not to be seen or tracked.
He’ll gladly take his government issued credit card, and will use it for regular purchases like groceries and gasoline. However, on the weekends he’ll leave it on his coffee table next to his ID chip, and he’ll take his silver coins and ammunition to the illegal farmer’s market for barter and open discussion.
He’ll go to the library and check out the books on the government’s suggested reading list and use them as examples to quietly teach his children what not to believe.
If one day he and his family should disappear, the authorities will check their databases. They’ll see that his car has not passed through any turnpike billing checkpoints. They’ll see that his credit card has not been used anywhere unusual. They’ll see via their satellite RFID map that all members of his family are still located in their home, and they are currently viewing government programs on their internet-television.
Days will pass, and they’ll go to his home and see that his vehicle is gone. They’ll enter and find a small pile of ID chips sitting next to a government credit card and a RFID turnpike billing pass. Next to this will be a note, thanking the officers for their good work. - E.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: The problem with the plan is everybody complaining about it cannot get past the titles to really see what its all about.
LucifersLandloard, would you then please show us how we are wrong about the stimulus package? According to polls, there is alot of the voting public that disagree with it and feel that it will not do as President Obama has said it would and is full of unnecessary spending.
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| Okay...so what are you planning to buy with your $13.00? I hope you're not gonna spend it all in one place...spread the wealth!
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BigSurprize wrote: designman124 wrote: The bill now has a new name;
Congressional
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I really like Huckabee...and I love his sense of humor!
He calls it like he sees it. Kind of refreshing isn't it? I'm totally fed up with the cowards in Washington to "afraid" to speak out. Half of the DEMS that voted for this monstrosity didn't want to but were afraid of NANCY. Give me a flippin' break, they are willing to compromise America because they don't want Nancy bashing them? Somebody needs to tell NANCY to stay in Europe before she completely destroys our country.
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| Hey...give him time to read, already! Sheesh...
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designman124 wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: designman124 wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: Well lets see, each line says what it is. Pretty much self explanatory. What it does is self explanatory. Asking for extra details is stonewalling. Did you like how our Pubbie friend said that his plan was better cost less and would create more jobs!!! I could not stop laughing at that one. Someone should remind this idiot that he is way out of touch. -- And of course you read it, just like the other one.
Yes I did!!! I take it from your factual responses or ummm cartoons that you didnt!!! Or are you just complaining to complain??? All 1100 pages?---I don't think so. Ok so I take it your just complaining than.... About something you didnt read... And know nothing about other than what you are told... Ok back to your cartoons then..
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designman124 wrote: The bill now has a new name;
Congressional
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I really like Huckabee...and I love his sense of humor!
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LucifersLandlord wrote: designman124 wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: Well lets see, each line says what it is. Pretty much self explanatory. What it does is self explanatory. Asking for extra details is stonewalling. Did you like how our Pubbie friend said that his plan was better cost less and would create more jobs!!! I could not stop laughing at that one. Someone should remind this idiot that he is way out of touch. -- And of course you read it, just like the other one.
Yes I did!!! I take it from your factual responses or ummm cartoons that you didnt!!! Or are you just complaining to complain??? All 1100 pages?---I don't think so.
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designman124 wrote: LucifersLandlord wrote: Well lets see, each line says what it is. Pretty much self explanatory. What it does is self explanatory. Asking for extra details is stonewalling. Did you like how our Pubbie friend said that his plan was better cost less and would create more jobs!!! I could not stop laughing at that one. Someone should remind this idiot that he is way out of touch. -- And of course you read it, just like the other one.
Yes I did!!! I take it from your factual responses or ummm cartoons that you didnt!!! Or are you just complaining to complain???
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Well lets see, each line says what it is. Pretty much self explanatory. What it does is self explanatory. Asking for extra details is stonewalling. Did you like how our Pubbie friend said that his plan was better cost less and would create more jobs!!! I could not stop laughing at that one. Someone should remind this idiot that he is way out of touch. -- And of course you read it, just like the other one.
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LucifersLandlord wrote: Well lets see, each line says what it is. Pretty much self explanatory. What it does is self explanatory. Asking for extra details is stonewalling. Did you like how our Pubbie friend said that his plan was better cost less and would create more jobs!!! I could not stop laughing at that one. Someone should remind this idiot that he is way out of touch.
So, if it was such a bad idea, such a bad bill, what were the DEMS so afraid of that they had to ramrod this debacle through without even reading it? That would have been a perfect opportunity to show how much smarter they are than the Repbublicans and why their plan would work better but instead, they ran like thieves in the night, pushed it through in the dark of the night and never gave anyone a chance to even read it. If it was such a fabulous solution, and nothing wrong with it, why the mystery, why the black curtain, why the closed door meetings, why the double talk? I don't think you have a clue what just happened here but I can tell you for certain, it ain't good for any of us.
Not only you are out of touch if you swallow the biggest sham on American people in history that will cost us our freedom, but so are the DEMS that voted for it WITHOUT reading it first.
The "Devil" is in the details -- no pun intended luci.
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| Well lets see, each line says what it is. Pretty much self explanatory. What it does is self explanatory. Asking for extra details is stonewalling. Did you like how our Pubbie friend said that his plan was better cost less and would create more jobs!!! I could not stop laughing at that one. Someone should remind this idiot that he is way out of touch.
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The bill now has a new name;
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| I personally thought the people in Obama's circle would be the ones who read the bill and inform the President as to what is good and bad in the bill. I wouldn't want to spend a day or two reading 1100 pages. With all the legal BS and how twos that are probably in it.
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There's no one who knows the details of this bill. Many of it's contents are just one line descriptions with the $'s committed. No detail or explanation whatsoever.
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| The problem with the plan is everybody complaining about it cannot get past the titles to really see what its all about.
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| I hope Obama tells the tens of thousands of unemployed AMERICANS in Arizona and the rest of the US he is about to sign a bill WITHOUT the E-verify system. The president of Mexico is drooling over the money that will be sent back home as illegals get the jobs - and income- from the stimulus bill. Obama/Pelosi/Reid, aided and abetted by representative Harry Mitchell and the rest of Arizona's democratic representatives, have completely sold out American workers. Maybe someone from the press will ask Obama why he opted to trash E-verify in favor of illegal's?
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Milo wrote: designman124 wrote: Obama promised he would go through the National budget line by line and weed out the pork. We haven't seen him or anybody else go through this bill line by line. And now he is coming here to defend the thing. Outrageous.
How do you know this blabber mouth? Did you talk with him? Do you think he put the whole thing together himself? Have you ever heard of amendments/deletions/overviews? Other countries are supporting this plan and only you keep things the way they have been Republicans are against it. Don't you think there is something wrong with that scenerio? Why is it that? People are getting very tired of your and Raz's (Rush's) continued BS. Notice that nobody is supporting you two recently? Do you think you are going to change it? What the hell is the matter with you?
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Milo, does it not bother you that no one read this stimulus package before they voted for it? Does it not bother you that Nancy Pelosi said the plan would be up on the Internet for 48 hours for the public to see and it ended up being on the Internet after the house voted and a mere 10 hours or so before the senate voted? Does it not bother you that Obama said his administration would be transparent and then they hid the stimulus plan details from us and our elected representatives?
Does it not bother you that when there are people that can not put food on the table for their children, that this is the time to spend money on a mouse refuge? Does it not bother you that when people are out of jobs, we are going to spend billions on global warming research? I'm not saying that some of the things that I call earmarks are not needed, but they are needed in the future when our economy is back on track.
Does it not bother you that Obama says we have to live within our means, but the government doesn't have to. Does it not bother you that Nancy Pelosi has a private jet that we pay for to take her home every weekend and on vacations? Does it not bother you that Obama said there is not two sets of standards, yet you have to pay your taxes, but Geithner doesn't.
Well you know what, it bothers a lot of people. Even CNN last night raked this stimulus package over the coals.
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Milo wrote: designman124 wrote: Obama promised he would go through the National budget line by line and weed out the pork. We haven't seen him or anybody else go through this bill line by line. And now he is coming here to defend the thing. Outrageous.
How do you know this blabber mouth? Did you talk with him? Do you think he put the whole thing together himself? Have you ever heard of amendments/deletions/overviews? Other countries are supporting this plan and only you keep things the way they have been Republicans are against it. Don't you think there is something wrong with that scenerio? Why is it that? People are getting very tired of your and Raz's (Rush's) continued BS. Notice that nobody is supporting you two recently? Do you think you are going to change it? What the hell is the matter with you? I hope you are not ill or being effected by meds of any kind. If so, I apologize...........if not, get a life!
Wow Milo you sound just like SR. "blabber mouth"?? That's not nice. "I hope you are not ill or effected by meds of any kind" hmmm, that sounded a little snarky.
Just because designman or myself state facts on here that you don't want to listen to doesn't mean we need to "get a life" we have one, or at least I do. And who are ALL these people that are getting "tired" of our postings, you???
Nobody is supporting the way we view this incompetent President? Perhaps you have selective reading skills along with selective hearing skills when BHO speaks. BHO did say that he would go through every bill line by line and cut out the pork, I heard him too. Just another one of those "BHO LIES ~ THE ECONOMY DIES" scenarios. One of many more to come sadly. But sorry he upsets you so, bet you are wishing you would have listened to us when we tried to warn you huh? But you shouldn't take your disappointment out on us, we tried to help.
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Milo: I'll jump in. If the Messiah isn't responsible for what's in his "plan", who is? IMHO, if he shares responsibility with anyone, it's only with the idiots who bought his hogwash and voted for him. Don't blame (all but 7 of the democrat reps and the 3 rhino Senators in) Congress; they're just doing more of the only thing they know how to do -- retaining and increasing their power by spending us into oblivion.
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designman124 wrote: Obama promised he would go through the National budget line by line and weed out the pork. We haven't seen him or anybody else go through this bill line by line. And now he is coming here to defend the thing. Outrageous.
How do you know this blabber mouth? Did you talk with him? Do you think he put the whole thing together himself? Have you ever heard of amendments/deletions/overviews? Other countries are supporting this plan and only you keep things the way they have been Republicans are against it. Don't you think there is something wrong with that scenerio? Why is it that? People are getting very tired of your and Raz's (Rush's) continued BS. Notice that nobody is supporting you two recently? Do you think you are going to change it? What the hell is the matter with you?
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No, he's coming here to unveil his "mortgage relief and recovery" plan. I'm just mad that I didn't refinance to 125% of the inflated value of my home when I could have and spent the proceeds on new cars, flat panels, counter tops, vacations, etc. Those who did that, and are now underwater or in default, will get a pass from Obama just to skate until they go under again, for good, which they will. Whatever he does is a finger in the dike and rewarding greed and stupidity. I say, "Let'r blow!"
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| Obama promised he would go through the National budget line by line and weed out the pork. We haven't seen him or anybody else go through this bill line by line. And now he is coming here to defend the thing. Outrageous.
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OldEagleEye wrote: Harry Reid's 350mph Mag-Lev train between Disneyland and Vegas......all for a mere $6 Billion. Any "stimulus" to be delayed for 5 years while environmental "studies" are completed.
I heard last night that there's also a provision in HR1 allocating $1.5 Billion to "science".
And the technology is not there to accomplish this.
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Stimulus prompts talk of health care rationing
Victoria Colliver, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, February 12, 2009
(02-11) 19:09 PST -- A relatively small provision in the stimulus bill that would devote about $1 billion in government research funds to figure out which drugs and medical devices work better than others has some industry groups, conservative talk-show hosts and others crying the "r" word: rationing.
A portion of the House bill reportedly retained in the Senate's proposed $789 billion compromise version calls for the creation of a federal agency that would help coordinate research on "comparative effectiveness," a wonky term that means determining which treatments work better than others.
To proponents, such research would improve quality of care and reduce health costs by limiting the use of drugs and treatments that do not work well. They contend the $2 trillion the country spends on health care would be better spent if government knew how well various drugs and treatments worked.
Opponents' fears
But opponents argue the government could use the information to deny certain treatments or ration health care options for patients.
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15 SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION
16 FACILITIES CAPITAL
17 For an additional amount for ‘‘Facilities Capital’’,
18 $75,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2010.
Re created the pdf so it can be searched by key word.
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13 EXPLORATION
14 For an additional amount for ‘‘Exploration’’,
15 $450,000,000, to remain available until September 30,
16 2010.
Can i get a piece of this i like to explore ?
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Harry Reid's 350mph Mag-Lev train between Disneyland and Vegas......all for a mere $6 Billion. Any "stimulus" to be delayed for 5 years while environmental "studies" are completed.
I heard last night that there's also a provision in HR1 allocating $1.5 Billion to "science".
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Happy Valentine's Day......we're bankrupt and on life support provided by the Federal Reserve's printing presses!
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| http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=279303 Attachment: Generational theft act.pdf (Downloaded 1 time) Last edited on Sat Feb 14th, 2009 02:14 pm by Craig
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How sad is this? BHO had to send a plane to pick up a Senator who was at his Mother's Wake to get his 60th vote tonight or the bill would have failed. Shouldn't that tell him something, maybe that the House and Senate should have at a minimum been given the opportunity to READ the 1,000 page document so they would be able to make an informed vote for their constitutents?
What was the bums's rush here? Nancy needed to go on vacation and visit the Pope so she could ask forgiveness? yeah, I bet she needs to do that alright. BHO doesn't want us to know he doesn't know what it's in it, and neither does any of the other DEMOCRATS who voted for it, but got a piece of the action? He just wanted to make sure that we enlarged Government so he can keep his power, who cares if it's a good thing or not for his little people. They will do his bidding anyway because after all, he is the MESSIAH.
But Prez Nancy should take all three Repub Senators that voted against their constituents wishes as well as all the DEMS that voted for it that didn't have a clue what was in it along with her on her vacation. They are all irresponsible sorry excuses for humanity and highlight exactly what is wrong with Washington that BHO promised to fix, yet he leads the way. Liar, liar, liar.
"OBAMA LIED, AND WE LOST SOME OF OUR FREEDOMS TODAY and WHEN THAT HAPPENED, A PART OF OUR COUNTRY DIED" razenkn.....
And BHO is coming here to crow his victory on Tuesday.
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How sad is this? BHO had to send a plane to pick up a Senator who was at his Mother's Wake to get his 60th vote tonight or the bill would have failed. Shouldn't that tell him something, maybe that the House and Senate should have at a minimum been given the opportunity to READ the 1,000 page document so they would be able to make an informed vote for their constitutents?
What was the bums's rush here? Nancy needed to go on vacation and visit the Pope so she could ask forgiveness? yeah, I bet she needs to do that alright. BHO doesn't want us to know he doesn't know what it's in it, and neither does any of the other DEMOCRATS who voted for it, but got a piece of the action? He just wanted to make sure that we enlarged Government so he can keep his power, who cares if it's a good thing or not for his little people. They will do his bidding anyway because after all, he is the MESSIAH.
But Prez Nancy should take all three Repub Senators that voted against their constituents wishes as well as all the DEMS that voted for it that didn't have a clue what was in it along with her on her vacation. They are all irresponsible sorry excuses for humanity and highlight exactly what is wrong with Washington that BHO promised to fix, yet he leads the way. Liar, liar, liar.
"OBAMA LIED, AND WE LOST SOME OF OUR FREEDOMS TODAY and WHEN THAT HAPPENED, A PART OF OUR COUNTRY DIED" razenkn.....
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| Nancy is off to Rome to square things with the Pope.
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It's good to know that little mouse is living higher on the hog that most American's. How many American's can boast of being bailed out to the tune of $30 MILLION dollars. How many text books would that purchase for Dysart? 30 MILLION dollars, how many teachers would that pay???
Does anyone really believe this woman to be in her right mind? Dementia perhaps??? But hey, let's give her even some more power. Maybe there is a snake that is uncomfortable in the Amazon. Now that she could probably empathize with. But the liberals say, oh that's ok, it's Princess Nancy.
But hey, they are looking out for you, the little people.
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Princess Pelosi's Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse.........all $40 Million worth of him.
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Nobody has seen this massive spending bill and yet they are going to vote on it today so Nancy can go on her European vacation? Is she taking the jet we furnish and pay for? Don't you people on the left ever get upset over this nonsense? I would respect you a lot more if just once you said "you know, this woman is a goofball and she needs to get out of there" she is the most divisive and obstructive force in our legislature and yet you are willing to cowtow to her. I don't get it.
The three republicans that could have stopped this madness and didn't should be the first to step down with her. They too are a disgrace.
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| Obama is coming to Phoenix on Tuesday to hawk the bill. Hold on to your wallets.
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