Well, we all know now that isn't the case.  AARP is a left wing organization and if Health care Reform as the DEMS are presenting it passes, they stand to make a bezillion dollars off the backs of the Seniors who trusted them.  Dishonest doesn't even begin to describe it.  It's the AL GORE pull the wool over your eyes scheme on steroids.  Al Gore has made Hundreds of Millions off of Climate Change rhetoric.  But if the CAP AND TRADE a.k.a. tax and CRAP on Americans bill passes, he stands to become a BILLIONAIRE off of it.  Now do we know why he is so passtionate about "a tenth of a degree warming in a decade???  Moola baby, it's all about MOOLA.  MOOLA and Power and GREED.

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Last edited on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 03:05 am by callmelou

• Increasing incentives for people to use health savings accounts
• Capping non-economic awards in medical malpractices cases
• Incentives for states to drive down premium costs
• Allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines

• No employer mandate
• No individual health insurance mandate
• It doesn't require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions
• Probably some abortion stuff that I could care less about

Not if they want a career in politics....nancyfancypants believes she is invincible because she has her snooty tooty friends in the Wine Country supporting her and then there is the San Francisco values, oh,oh oh, oh, don't forget the little field mouse, he WUVS her. 

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BigSurprize wrote: callmelou wrote: callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote: callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote:

If PelosiObamacare passes, you ain't seen suffering yet.  Who exactly is suffering in this Country anyway and how is this Gov't Take Over going to help anyone??  It raises costs, it raises taxes and it destroys quality and access, destroys choice and freedom to make your own healthcare decisions, so please explain that statement.

Nancyfancypants included something like 110 NEW gov't run committees, agencies, pilot programs, trial programs, beaurocrat run health care decisions to overrule physicians, hospitals and caregivers to pay off all her radical left wing buddies.  You know that "townhall" meeting she had with 100 of her best and richest friends in the Wine Country this summer, they're all going to get a piece of this action. 

So please enlighten us as to who exactly is "suffering" today that won't be "suffering" tomorrow if this gigantic private enterprise takeover is allowed to move forward.

Prove me wrong libbie-lusingit.  Please.  I want to be wrong. 

 
Regarding people without healthcare insurance--you seriously have to ask why they're suffering?  I don't know what I was thinking of,  rants...everyone can afford healthcare in this country...nobody loses it when they lose their job..nobody is disqualified for real or bogus pre-existing conditions.....you better notify your lame party that they need not to pretend to have an alternate healthcare reform plan afterall...cause you don't see anyone suffering..whatta humanitarian.

There are numerous programs available already that many of those instances don't even bother to sign up for but are eligible for.  Are there some big issues, yes.  Can they be fixed without a MASSIVE GOV'T TAKEOVER ....YES WE CAN. 

What are these "numerous programs" which will provide middle class Americans, under the age of 65,  affordable healthcare insurance regardless of pre existing conditions?  The entire country is waiting for you to announce them.Yo!  Rantsnraves...CNN is still waiting for you to tell the world which programs you discovered as I requested?  You seem sorta silent on the issue..how unrantful.

• You will be ignored if you do not enter into a discussion seriously and sincerely.
• When you are laboring at making a fool of yourself, you will be assisted.

        It cuts both ways...LOL 

Sheesh, rants...you picked the hickspeak ID...shape up...and telllll us what programs you claimed are already in place for everyone without healthcare...we know, bigrants nevah lies online LOL.....LOL..at least that's what you claimed..unless you lied about that, too.

• You will be ignored if you do not enter into a discussion seriously and sincerely.
• When you are laboring at making a fool of yourself, you will be assisted.

Raz is away from their computer right now...but if you'll leave your name - number - and a short message (after the beep)...and Raz will get back to you, as soon as possible.  Thank you for calling...and have a nice day! 

callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote: callmelou wrote: Razenkn wrote:

If PelosiObamacare passes, you ain't seen suffering yet.  Who exactly is suffering in this Country anyway and how is this Gov't Take Over going to help anyone??  It raises costs, it raises taxes and it destroys quality and access, destroys choice and freedom to make your own healthcare decisions, so please explain that statement.

Nancyfancypants included something like 110 NEW gov't run committees, agencies, pilot programs, trial programs, beaurocrat run health care decisions to overrule physicians, hospitals and caregivers to pay off all her radical left wing buddies.  You know that "townhall" meeting she had with 100 of her best and richest friends in the Wine Country this summer, they're all going to get a piece of this action. 

So please enlighten us as to who exactly is "suffering" today that won't be "suffering" tomorrow if this gigantic private enterprise takeover is allowed to move forward.

Prove me wrong libbie-lusingit.  Please.  I want to be wrong. 

 
Regarding people without healthcare insurance--you seriously have to ask why they're suffering?  I don't know what I was thinking of,  rants...everyone can afford healthcare in this country...nobody loses it when they lose their job..nobody is disqualified for real or bogus pre-existing conditions.....you better notify your lame party that they need not to pretend to have an alternate healthcare reform plan afterall...cause you don't see anyone suffering..whatta humanitarian.

There are numerous programs available already that many of those instances don't even bother to sign up for but are eligible for.  Are there some big issues, yes.  Can they be fixed without a MASSIVE GOV'T TAKEOVER ....YES WE CAN. 

What are these "numerous programs" which will provide middle class Americans, under the age of 65,  affordable healthcare insurance regardless of pre existing conditions?  The entire country is waiting for you to announce them.Yo!  Rantsnraves...CNN is still waiting for you to tell the world which programs you discovered as I requested?  You seem sorta silent on the issue..how unrantful.

• You will be ignored if you do not enter into a discussion seriously and sincerely.
• When you are laboring at making a fool of yourself, you will be assisted.

        It cuts both ways...LOL 

Perhaps it's you that doesn't get it. 

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Razenkn wrote: designman124 wrote:

Capitol to be filled with livid Americans
Citizens return to D.C. to warn Congress, 'Keep your hands off my health care'

 

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.

Lawmakers are calling on Americans to storm the Capitol on Thursday in an "Emergency House Call on Congress" to stop the House from passing the Democrats' health-care bill this week.

A group of legislators led by Reps. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., and Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., will be holding an emergency town-hall meeting outside the Capitol at 12 p.m. to protest the health-care bill set to hit the House floor. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has indicated that a vote on the bill could take place as soon as Thursday.

Bachmann told WND she is urging citizens to come to Washington and "pay an emergency House call to Congress."

"This is the most effective way we have to kill socialized medicine and to do it this week," she said. "Nothing is more effective at reaching a congressman than having a citizen come to Washington, D.C. – not asking for a handout, not asking for tax money, not asking to take some liberty away from somebody else, but just asking for freedom."

She said the American people spoke loud and clear this summer, telling Congress they don't want "cradle-to-grave takeover of health care." According to Rasmussen Reports, a full 54 percent of voters are now opposed to the House version of health-care reform. Only 23 percent of all voters strongly support the plan while nearly twice as many, or 44 percent, expressed strong opposition.

"We saw tea parties. We saw the 9/12 movement where literally hundreds of thousands of Americans, if not more, all converged on the Capitol on a Saturday. People did this to get the attention of their members of Congress," Bachmann said. "This is the week when the decision will be made about whether we will choose liberty or tyranny, whether we will choose socialized medicine or a free market."

Actor John Voight and "Liberty and Tyranny" author Mark Levin have volunteered to come and speak at the event. Dr. Betsy McCaughey, former New York lieutenant governor and senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, will speak as well.


I wish I could be there.....Keep them in your prayers because these are the folks who are fighting for US, as in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

 
Many of us here wish you were there too.   So sorry you think it's OK for people to suffer.

Prove me wrong libbie-lusingit.  Please.  I want to be wrong. 

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I wish I could be there.....Keep them in your prayers because these are the folks who are fighting for US, as in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

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Capitol to be filled with livid Americans
Citizens return to D.C. to warn Congress, 'Keep your hands off my health care'

Posted: November 02, 2009
8:41 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.

Now remind us again WHO EXACTLY IS LOOKING OUT FOR US???  Where is all that "improving" our health care system talk??  It should be called PELOSI'S PUNISH AMERICANS bill.

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Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.

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Congress Healthcare Plan - FOR THEMSELVES (not us).  You know that Co-op thing they are always bragging about....well here are some reasons why the can brag. They have 5 PRIVATE INSURER (Not GOV'T RUN HEALTHCARE)  plans from which to choose, some of the benefits....

No coverage limit

Pre-existing conditions aren't a problem

Physician's clinic inside Capitol with access 24 hrs a day

VIP Hospital treatment -- the best health care offered in the United States

Lawmakers own extravagant health care plans and will not be taxed

Outpatient Care for free

On-site physical therapy

Attending Physician benefit program

All Primary Care they want for $42 a month including minor surgery and x-rays

So, now do we understand why they are working so feverishly in getting something through for the American People??  Because they want us to have what they have, right??  NO, not even close.  This is John Edwards "TWO AMERICA'S" on steroids.  The upper echelon lawmakers are treated like royalty while the poor taxpayer slobs in America are working their a$$es off to pay for it and yet they WANT MORE.  They have their dirty little fingers in our pockets more and more each time they go behind closed doors and we don't have a clue what is coming next. Thousands of pages of taxes, fines, penalties, Gov't intrusion into our private life and health care decisions. AND THEY AREN'T EVEN READING IT.  They whine that it is TOO HARD. Transparency??  Now that's funny.  President Procrastinator should take that comedy show on the road.

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