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Razenkn wrote: callmelou wrote: azsu wrote: here, I thought the never-ending cut and paste, waste of time, cartoon saga was finally over....just goes to show you how wrong a person can be
That particular poster has a very limited tool bag. 
But at least he has a "tool bag" to draw from which is more than we could say about you. This is all you ever have to offer, just roving insults. I have to admit it is quite an eye opener to see how many of you have been quietly "seething" over these cartoons....LOL ....such anger . My, my, how quickly times have changed in the nine months since Barack Hussein Obama has been elected to office. None of you thought twice about posting noxious cartoons and lies about President Bush, you viewed it as your right. Well, what's different now? You don't agree with them so all of a sudden they are wrong? Hmmm. Too bad so sad wouldn't you say? You don't get to pick and choose, sorry.
I have really enjoyed them and I think it is a clever way to get your point across when you don't want to spend your time playing "hit and run" junior high games that libbie-lu and many of the "voices" on here are so familiar with.
Keep up the good work DM, don't listen to the whiner's braying. Apparently your message is much more profound than anyone could have guessed. Again, sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, from a practical standpoint look how much time Designman has saved.  
LOL...you don't know him, I do...sorta funny, one empty tool bag rushing to defend another...thanks for the laugh
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callmelou wrote: azsu wrote: here, I thought the never-ending cut and paste, waste of time, cartoon saga was finally over....just goes to show you how wrong a person can be
That particular poster has a very limited tool bag.
But at least he has a "tool bag" to draw from which is more than we could say about you. This is all you ever have to offer, just roving insults. I have to admit it is quite an eye opener to see how many of you have been quietly "seething" over these cartoons....LOL....such anger. My, my, how quickly times have changed in the nine months since Barack Hussein Obama has been elected to office. None of you thought twice about posting noxious cartoons and lies about President Bush, you viewed it as your right. Well, what's different now? You don't agree with them so all of a sudden they are wrong? Hmmm. Too bad so sad wouldn't you say? You don't get to pick and choose, sorry.
I have really enjoyed them and I think it is a clever way to get your point across when you don't want to spend your time playing "hit and run" junior high games that libbie-lu and many of the "voices" on here are so familiar with.
Keep up the good work DM, don't listen to the whiner's braying. Apparently your message is much more profound than anyone could have guessed. Again, sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, from a practical standpoint look how much time Designman has saved.
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azsu wrote: here, I thought the never-ending cut and paste, waste of time, cartoon saga was finally over....just goes to show you how wrong a person can be
That particular poster has a very limited tool bag.
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It has been proven over and over again with this extreme left wing liberal Congress and WH that nothing is too far left for them. They have made a concentrated effort to just come out and make up numbers, lie about what is happening to our Country and what is in their legislation. The Prez comes out every other day and calls out his dissenters as liars but all the while lying himself. If you like your insurance you can keep it, if you like your doctors you can keep them, but the real hard facts say something completely different. NO, you can't keep your insurance because they want you ON THE PUBLIC OPTION so they can control the economy and control your lives. It really doesn't get any more simpler than that. It tis what it tis. Nancy fancypants, no different, Dirty Harry, no different. Both of their illegal plans will cost much more than they say, it will NOT improve quality of our health insurance nor give us any better access to healthcare. They are nothing more than a bunch of liars who want to CONTROL our Country and CONTROL you and me and using this fragile economy to acheive it, NEVER LET A GOOD CRISIS GO TO WASTE...Rahm Emanuel.
Nothing in any of these plans improves quality, improves access nor does it lower the cost, instead it increases it. So, please someone on the left, tell us again, why are they charging forward with this nonsense when Millions of American's are losing their jobs, the economy is tanking and we owe China the America we used to know and love?? Why are you so silent on this massive GOV'T take-over??
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azsu wrote: cindisue_g wrote: I don't like the cartoons, never comment on them, but if someone wants to post it - I just ignore. Try it!
oh, I have along with the long posts, but they are a nuisance...takes a while to get to anything important
I don't really read the long, long ones either and there are certain posters who I don't read what they write no matter the size of the post.
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cindisue_g wrote: I don't like the cartoons, never comment on them, but if someone wants to post it - I just ignore. Try it!
oh, I have along with the long posts, but they are a nuisance...takes a while to get to anything important
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Is This A Democracy?
Democrats Handpick Reform Bill AudienceFriday, October 30, 2009 6:47 AM
By: Kara Rowland, The Washington Times
House Democrats blocked the public from attending the unveiling ceremony of their health care bill Thursday morning, allowing only pre-approved visitors whose names appeared on lists to enter the event at the West Front of the Capitol.
The audience at the crowded press conference included Hill staffers, union workers, health care providers and students, said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who thanked them for attending.
Mrs. Pelosi and other Democratic leaders announced the chamber's long-awaited version of a health care overhaul, which would expand insurance coverage to 36 million uninsured Americans, costing less than $900 billion over 10 years.
The West Front of the Capitol -- where President Obama was inaugurated -- is traditionally open to the public. But the entrances were blocked off Thursday morning by metal fences, with Capitol Police officers standing next to staff members holding clipboards with lists of approved attendees.
"The steps of the Capitol are and should be open to the public," Minority Whip Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican, said on the House floor Thursday night. But House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, Maryland Democrat, denied the charge.
"I was there. I saw nobody turned away. I saw nobody precluded from attending," he told Mr. Cantor.
Videos posted on YouTube, including by Mr. Cantor's office, showed people being turned away by staffers or police. In the video from Mr. Cantor's office, a police officer tells a Republican staffer they are being denied access "per the speaker's staff."
Reporters with press badges were able to get in but persons who didn't show official identification were turned away at the metal gates.
Democrats repeatedly touted the openness of the development of their health care bill, which Mr. Hoyer at the event called "the most deliberative, transparent and open process" he had seen in his career on Capitol Hill.
"Our event had more than 250 people present, primarily supporters, but also some protesters," said Doug Thornell, a spokesman for Rep. Chris Van Hollen, Maryland Democrat and head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "Our blended bill was posted online this morning. In contrast, the Republican event today was open only to credentialed media and GOP staffers. More importantly, it's been 134 days and they still haven't shown the American people their bill or pledged to post it online for 72 hours like we have."
Several protesters gathered outside the fenced-in event. Near the beginning of Mrs. Pelosi's remarks, a man shouted on a megaphone that Democrats would "go to hell for this," to which she quipped: "Thank you, insurance companies of America."
Republicans held their event in the House television studio, a standard location for press conferences. Press gallery rules restrict access to members of Congress who have been invited to appear, and to their press secretaries.
By Thursday evening Republicans were using the closed-to-the-public event as a fundraising tool.
"Pelosi and her liberal allies want us to know as little about this legislation as possible, because it cannot stand up to public scrutiny. Why else would Pelosi forbid the public from attending the event?" the National Republican Congressional Committee said in its plea for contributions.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:42 pm |
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What's In Your Wallet?
Premiums to Skyrocket Under Obamacare
Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:55 PM
By: David A. Patten
Millions of consumers will suffer skyrocketing insurance premiums next year due to "indirect taxes" contained in both the House and Senate versions of healthcare reform, according to various medical and insurance industry experts.
Healthcare reforms that were supposed to contain costs will actually cause a sharp hike in premiums, they add. In fact, several studies indicate consumers' premiums could more than double next year if healthcare reform takes effect.
"So even though this bill tries to hide these costs as indirect taxes," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, recently told a business symposium, "average Americans who purchase health plans, take prescription drugs, or use medical devices will end up footing the bill."
The rate hikes stem from the hundreds of billions in proposed fees and taxes levied on providers.
According to the Senate's Joint Committee on Taxation, for example, the Finance Committee's proposal would assess $322 billion in taxes and fees on insurance premiums, prescription drugs, and medical devices.
The Committee and other experts say virtually all of those costs will be passed along to consumers in all tax brackets – despite President Barack Obama's pledge not to raise taxes "one dime" on those earning less than $250,000 per year.
Another likely frustration for consumers: The premium hikes will take effect right away, while the subsidies and benefits in healthcare reform won't completely kick in until 2014.
Scott Gottlieb, a physician and American Enterprise Institute resident fellow, stated Thursday in a New York Post op-ed that by front-loading the costs and back-loading benefits, Congress is resorting to "a gimmick that imposes a stiff price on the public."
That "gimmick," according to Gottlieb: Using 10 years of added fees and taxes on providers to offset about five years worth of benefits. Those costs "will immediately shift onto consumers, in the form of higher prices on medical products and rising premiums," he says.
Democrats have promised to insure an additional 35 million Americans, without raising taxes or increasing the tsunami of deficit red ink spilling out of Washington these days.
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the former director of the Congressional Budget Office, appeared to concur with Gottlieb's assessment in a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed.
"These costs will be passed on to consumers by either directly raising insurance premiums, or by fueling higher health-care costs that inevitably lead to higher premiums," he wrote.
The bottom line: Most voters will be paying higher premiums for years before they see any benefits. That could spell serious trouble for Democrats in the 2010 midterm elections.
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$2.2M A WORD
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:23 pm |
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1.055 Billion
CBO Puts House Health Bill Total Cost At $1.055 Trillion
By Martin Vaughan, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The Congressional Budget Office said Thursday a U.S. House health-care system re-write would extend health insurance to 96% of the nonelderly U.S. population by 2019, and spend $1.055 trillion to do so.
Penalties imposed on individuals who did not purchase insurance, and employers who did not offer coverage to their workers, would raise $161 billion over that time-frame. That brings the net cost of the bill to $894 billion through 2019, CBO said.
House Democrats have seized on that net cost figure to claim that their bill is below President Barack Obama's upper limit which he set for health-care legislation of $900 billion.
The $1.055 trillion estimate also does not include $245 billion needed to stop Medicare payments to doctors from decreasing, which the House plans to address through separate legislation introduced Thursday.
The costs of the bill are fully offset by cuts to existing spending programs-- including the Medicare Advantage and other programs--saving $426 billion through 2019, and by tax increases raising $572 billion over that time, CBO said. In fact, the combined impact of provisions in the bill would be a net deficit reduction of $104 billion in the next decade, according to CBO.
CBO also said the House bill would not add to the deficit in the first decade beyond 2019--a key condition for support from fiscally conservative House Democrats.
CBO Director Doug Elmendorf, in a Thursday letter to House Democratic Chairmen, cautioned that his estimates are preliminary and "subject to substantial uncertainty."
House leaders capped weeks of internal negotiations among Democrats today by unveiling the sweeping legislation. They aim to bring the bill to a vote by the full House by the end of next week.
The bill would create exchanges where people who do not have access to health insurance from their employer could buy coverage. It would create a government- sponsored plan to compete with private plans.
The bill would reduce the number of uninsured in the U.S. by 36 million by 2019. By that time, 30 million people would be covered through the insurance exchanges, of which 6 million would be covered by the public option.
An expansion in eligibility rules for the Medicaid program would bring an additional 15 million enrollees to Medicaid by 2019, CBO said.
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Obama is now in the retail business:
He now sells stamps
He now sells cars
He now sells insurance policies
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designman124 wrote: Boo- Dems Post 1,900 Page Healthcare Bill Online
Boo! Dems post 1,900-page health care reform bill
11:47 am October 29, 2009, by Jim Galloway
House Democrats have posted on-line a 1,900-page copy of their version of health care reform.
Read it here. Or, if you’re Republican, download and stack it next to your pumpkin on Saturday. Scare the bejeezus out of the kids.
This is a last ditch effort to jam this debacle through since Dirty Harry failed so miserably. They know it's a mess, but they don't care. Nancyfancypants is the sorriest excuse for a Speaker we've had in our history. Women should be furious at her for screwing this honor up and giving women a bad rap as powerful leaders. She is evil, she is a liar and she is self-serving. And the Dems all stay quiet instead of standing up and saying "get her out of there" before she wrecks the whole party....if it's not too late already. It just may be.
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Boo- Dems Post 1,900 Page Healthcare Bill Online
Boo! Dems post 1,900-page health care reform bill
11:47 am October 29, 2009, by Jim Galloway
House Democrats have posted on-line a 1,900-page copy of their version of health care reform.
Read it here. Or, if you’re Republican, download and stack it next to your pumpkin on Saturday. Scare the bejeezus out of the kids.
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Pelosi Says You Can't Get IN.
http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-denies-public-access-to-public-space-for-public-plan-announcement/
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House Healthcare Event Closed To The Public
House health-bill event closed to public
Kara Rowland
House Democrats blocked the public from attending the unveiling ceremony of their health-care bill Thursday morning, allowing only pre-approved visitors whose names appeared on lists to enter the event at the West side of the Capitol.
The audience at the crowded press conference included Hill staffers, union workers, health care providers and students, according to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who thanked them for attending.
Mrs. Pelosi and other Democratic leaders announced the chamber's long-awaited version of a health care overhaul, which would expand insurance coverage to 36 million uninsured Americans, costing less than $900 billion over 10 years.
The West side of the Capitol - the area where President Barack Obama was inaugurated - is traditionally open to the public. But the entrances were blocked off Thursday morning by metal fences, with Capitol police officers standing next to staff members holding clipboards with lists of approved attendees.
Reporters with press badges were able to get in.
Democrats repeatedly touted the openness of the development of their health care bill, which House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer called "the most deliberative, transparent and open process" he had seen in his career on Capitol Hill.
A video posted on YouTube by Minority Whip Eric Cantor's office depicted a Republican staffer attempting to attend the press conference and being turned away by a police officer.
"Our event had more than 250 people present, primarily supporters, but also some protesters," said Doug Thornell, a spokesman for Rep. Chris Van Hollen, Maryland Democrat and head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "Our blended bill was posted online this morning. In contrast, the Republican event today was open only to credentialed media and GOP staffers. More importantly, it's been 134 days and they still haven't shown the American people their bill or pledged to post it online for 72 hours like we have."
Several protesters gathered outside of the fenced-in event. Near the beginning of Mrs. Pelosi's remarks, a man shouted on a megaphone that Democrats would "go to hell for this," to which she quipped: "Thank you, insurance companies of America."
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Yoo, hoo..isn't that a copyright in the upper left corner?
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cindisue_g wrote: Razenkn wrote: "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies."
— Barack Obama, August, 2008
Another broken campaign promise. Come to think of it, President Obama broke every campaign promise he made; that is all but the one about getting the girls a dog. At least he is a very good father, too bad he is not a good President.
Not only are the health care negotiations not on cspan, they are closed to everyone but his chosen few and he and his band of merry men made behind closed door agreements with the drug companies (the very thing he campaigned against). Remember, the most transparent and ethical administration ever - oops, two more campaign promises broken!!!
Sorry, Cindisue Who--not according to PolitiFact:
The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises
The Obameter ScorecardPolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter.
We rate their status as No Action, In the Works or Stalled. Once we find action is completed, we rate them Promise Kept, Compromise or Promise Broken.
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Schoolmarm wrote: callmelou wrote: Miloinski wrote: Just a warning to everyone that has Medisun Advantage Insurance.............the advantage programs are costing the government approximately 14% more than the typical Medicare insurance. Therefore, cuts are on the way and premiums will rise.
It's true that they are looking at leveling the playing field...the 'cuts' would actually level the field between the Advantage and the medicare system. In other states, tho, Advantage plans may have begun with several offering no premium, then, after serveral years, rose to a premium close to the Medicare premium, and then, about 6 yrs after their inception, they went out of business...bottom line...no healthcare system offering 'free' care without premiums, is going to last...hence another reason why reform is needed.
If you post statistics, Please give your source -- even if the Barf doesn't like it.-- credibility, you know. Hey Lou , your spelling is terrible.
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that "tho" means though
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callmelou wrote: Miloinski wrote: Just a warning to everyone that has Medisun Advantage Insurance.............the advantage programs are costing the government approximately 14% more than the typical Medicare insurance. Therefore, cuts are on the way and premiums will rise.
It's true that they are looking at leveling the playing field...the 'cuts' would actually level the field between the Advantage and the medicare system. In other states, tho, Advantage plans may have begun with several offering no premium, then, after serveral years, rose to a premium close to the Medicare premium, and then, about 6 yrs after their inception, they went out of business...bottom line...no healthcare system offering 'free' care without premiums, is going to last...hence another reason why reform is needed.
If you post statistics, Please give your source -- even if the Barf doesn't like it.-- credibility, you know. Hey Lou , your spelling is terrible.
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Miloinski wrote: Just a warning to everyone that has Medisun Advantage Insurance.............the advantage programs are costing the government approximately 14% more than the typical Medicare insurance. Therefore, cuts are on the way and premiums will rise.
It's true that they are looking at leveling the playing field...the 'cuts' would actually level the field between the Advantage and the medicare system. In other states, tho, Advantage plans may have begun with several offering no premium, then, after serveral years, rose to a premium close to the Medicare premium, and then, about 6 yrs after their inception, they went out of business...bottom line...no healthcare system offering 'free' care without premiums, is going to last...hence another reason why reform is needed.
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Do you hear that Trojan Horse coming around the bend...they can re-brand it all they want but it's a come'n!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p_mUwzoYcc&feature=player_embedded
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Razenkn wrote: "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies."
— Barack Obama, August, 2008
Another broken campaign promise. Come to think of it, President Obama broke every campaign promise he made; that is all but the one about getting the girls a dog. At least he is a very good father, too bad he is not a good President.
Not only are the health care negotiations not on cspan, they are closed to everyone but his chosen few and he and his band of merry men made behind closed door agreements with the drug companies (the very thing he campaigned against). Remember, the most transparent and ethical administration ever - oops, two more campaign promises broken!!!
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October 28, 2009 | Vol. 4, No. 43
Saying "No" to Your Right to Know
By Newt Gingrich and Nancy Desmond
"I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies."
— Barack Obama, August, 2008 healthtransformation.net.
What Did Liberals Learn From the Townhalls?
Shut Out the Troublemakers It's not like Americans have been apathetic about the future of our health care. Since this process began, we've demanded to know what is happening.
Last summer, Americans filled townhall meetings, many armed with copies of the 1000+ page bill that had been filed in the House – a bill that most lawmakers had never read.
And the more we learned, the less we supported the Pelosi Plan.
But what did Speaker Pelosi and the other supporters of liberal health care reform learn? How did they decide to use this input from the American people?
After August, Liberals Were More Determined Than
Ever to Ram Through a Bill Some began cancelling town hall meetings. Others actually carded people in the audience to make sure they lived in their district. Still others began verbally chastising the citizens who asked questions.
Upon their return to Washington, it was clear that they had discounted what they heard at the town hall meetings. It was as if their meetings with the American people had never happened.
They were more determined than ever to ram through legislation.
Democrats Blocked an Attempt to Require That
Bills Be Posted Online In the Senate, the Finance Committee decided to pass a vague proposal – containing no legislative details or cost analysis – and allow no opportunity for the American people or their elected representatives to know what was being considered until after it was done.
During the process, Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) introduced an amendment to require that all bills be publicly available for 72 hours with legislative text and an official budget analysis from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) prior to being considered.
The Democrats blocked the amendment, never allowing it to get fair and full consideration by the Senate, even though eight Senate Democrats supported the requirement. Senators Bayh (Ind.), Lincoln (Ark.), Pryor (Ark.), McCaskill (Mo.), Landrieu (La.), Nelson (Neb.), Lieberman (Conn.) and Webb (Va.), should be commended for later contacting the leadership urging them to support the change.
"When We Come Back In September, I Will be Available to
Answer Any Question That Members of Congress Have" It appears clear that the decision has been made to ignore the promise President Obama made to worried Americans in the summer of 2008 and again last July when he declared:
"So I just want everybody to know, Congress will have time to read the bill. They will have time to debate the bill. They will have all of August to review the various legislative proposals. When we come back in September, I will be available to answer any question that members of Congress have. If they want to come over to the White House and go over line by line what's going on, I will be happy to do that."
It is unfortunate that the Democratic leadership has decided it would be easier to rush their legislation through rather than honoring the people's right to know.
Then again, maybe that choice is all Americans need to know when judging the Democrats' healthcare bill.
Go to healthtransformation.net to Make Your Voice Heard
But that doesn't mean that we have to silently accept a government health care bill that was negotiated in secret and paid for with deals cut with special interests using our tax dollars.
Please sign the Center for Health Transformation's (CHT) petition at click here, to tell Washington that We The People demand that all bills be publicly available, including legislative language and accurate budget analysis, at least 72 hours prior to any vote by Congress or committees in Congress.
There's still time to make your voice heard.
"60 Minutes" Takes On Medicare and Medicaid Fraud The correspondent announced the report with the warning that "it might raise your blood pressure."
He was right. Last Sunday night, CBS's "60 Minutes" ran a not-to-be-missed expose of something that the Center for Health Transformation has been warning about for months: The unbelievable amount of fraud taxpayers are footing the bill for in the Medicare and Medicaid programs.
"60 Minutes" estimates that an amazing $90 billion in spending on these programs each year is due to fraud. That's right in line with what CHT's Jim Frogue and I report in our book Stop Paying the Crooks.
For more on CHT's campaign to fight Medicare and Medicaid fraud, click here.
To watch the "60 Minutes" report, click here.
Your friends,
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Treating Seniors As Clunkers
Treating seniors as 'clunkers'
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY
Last Updated: 2:45 AM, October 27, 2009
Posted: 12:45 AM, October 27, 2009
Everyone knows that if you don't pay to maintain and repair your car, you limit its life. The same is true as human beings age. We need medical care to avoid becoming clunkers -- disabled, worn out, parked in wheelchairs or nursing homes.
For nearly a half century, Medicare has enabled seniors to get that care. But ObamaCare is about to change that, by limiting what doctors can provide their aging patients.
The Senate Finance Committee health bill released last week controls doctors by cutting their pay if they give older patients more care than the government deems appropriate. Section 3003(b) (p. 683) punishes doctors who land in the 90th percentile or above on what they provide for seniors on Medicare by withholding 5 percent of their compensation.
This withhold provision forces doctors to choose between treating their patients and avoiding government penalties. HMOs used the same cost-cutting device in the early '90s until it was deemed dangerous to patients and outlawed. Now, lawmakers want to use it against the most vulnerable patients, the elderly. This bill and four others under negotiation also would slash about $500 billion from future Medicare funding.
President Obama and his budget director, Peter Orszag, have told seniors not to worry, claiming that Medicare spending could be cut by as much as 30 percent without doing harm. They cite the Dartmouth Atlas of Healthcare 2008, which tries to prove patients who get less care -- fewer hospital days, doctors' visits and imaging tests -- have the same medical "outcomes" as patients who get more care. But read the fine print.
The Dartmouth authors arrived at their dubious conclusion by restricting their study to patients who died. They examined what Medicare paid to care for these chronically ill patients in their last two years. By definition, the outcomes were all the same: death. The Dartmouth study didn't consider patients who recovered, left the hospital and even resumed active lives. It would be important to know whether these patients survived because they received more care.
The journal Circulation addresses that question in its latest issue (Oct. 16) and disputes the Dartmouth conclusion. Examining patients with heart failure at six California teaching hospitals, doctors found that hospitals giving more care saved more lives. In hospitals that spent less, patients had a smaller chance of survival. That's the opposite of what Obama is claiming and Congress is proposing. The Senate Finance bill establishes a formula that penalizes hospitals for high "Medicare spending per beneficiary" (Section 2001, p. 643). That may save money, but the California study suggests it will cost lives.
When Medicare started in 1965, the law forbade the federal government from interfering in treatment decisions. Doctors decided what patients needed, and Medicare paid for each treatment on a fee-for-service basis. Though this protection from government interference has been whittled away a bit, doctors and patients in Medicare still decide what state-of-the-art medical care they want.
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callmelou wrote: cindisue_g wrote: Razenkn wrote:
I watched a John McCain interview today and he said the liberal Congress has completely shut the republican party out. He said they have not been asked to be a part of the discussion so they have NO IDEA what is in the bill and they have NO IDEA what Harry means by the State Op Out program, they believe it all to be a big hoax, same station, different name, PUBLIC GOV'T-RUN Healthcare that cannot be sustained and will destroy America's health care system as we know it.
So I say good for the Dems and the Republicans who are more concerned about their Country than their party and their seat. We need many more just like them, politicians who vote with their principles and convictions, not for power.
The opt-out portion is a law that the states have to opt-out of the program. What will probably happen, there will be so much red tape that it will be impossible for the states to opt-out; thus the end result will be a government run health care system.
From what I understand there are daily closed door meetings (Democrats only allowed) - Reid, Dodd, Emanuel and a few others (there are about 5 or 6 in the meeting). They meet every afternoon about health care. I also heard that Lieberman might join with the Republicans for a filibuster....that would be pretty interesting. Also hear that Olympia Snow will not vote for this bill.
Excellent! The Repubs had 8 yrs to do something about healthcare..all they did was come up with part D, Medicare and they sorta forgot about funding it...ya think they may have done that to try to make Obama look bad? nawwhttp://www..not the pubs....so then the president extended his hand since he came into office, to try to make this a bipartisan deal...again, all the Republicans did was stonewall him....perhaps they got the message: if you're not going to help, then get the hell out of the way.
Wow, you sound just like President Procrastinator....when everything you do fails, blame President Bush. It's been nine months libbie-lusingit, Barack Hussein Obama just gave birth to a Presidency. Health care is his deal, not President Bush's. President Bush gave the libs the Medicare Prescription program and look at the crap he took for that because they didn't want the republicans doing anything social for the country, they wanted the credit. GWB also thought Soc Sec was an even graver issue because it's going to be unfunded in the next few years but the libs didn't want to talk about that either. You talk about stonewalling.
If you read my post up above, John McCain straight out said as many, many other republicans have been saying....THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY SHUT OUT OF THE DISCUSSION. The sneaky snakes in the liberal leadership is doing everything in secret behind closed doors. What part of that don't you libs get or hear?? The only thing that President Procrastinator has extended has been his middle finger. There is no bipartisanship in this Administration, they hate the Republicans. They sneer at them. Unless they agree with them like Olympia Snowe. He called her several times. He talked to her more than his Generals on the ground fighting two wars.
The republicans have many plans, many good ideas that won't cost us anything, won't do any damage and it will help. Senator Lieberman has said that is why he can't vote for Reid's idiotic plan because in a time of economic crisis, that is the last thing we should be thinking about doing.
But bottom line here libbie-lusingit, it's not the republicans stopping anything. It's the Dems, they are fighting like cats and dogs and it's getting ugly. MoveON.Org (George Soros) just threatened if any of the blue dog dems vote against Reid's bill, they will campaign AGAINST them when they come up for relection. It doesn't get any uglier than that. That's the DEMS AGAINST THE DEMS baby, not anything to do with the republicans. They could care less what is best for the American people, it's all about politics. So if you are going to come into the debate, please tell the truth or at least try to.
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callmelou wrote: so then the president extended his hand since he came into office, to try to make this a bipartisan deal...
I remember that extended hand the President gave when he first came into office, it set the tone for his administration. I believe his answer to a Republican that gave an opinion on the stimulus package was and what he thought would make sense - the President said: "I'll trump that, I won". His extended hand - no, there was no extended hand. His bipartisan bs was just another broken campaign promise.
Now lets take the new health care bill - it is all done behind closed doors (Democrats only and only his chosen few) - no one, no one has been allowed to see the bill and they won't until minutes before they have to vote. Why, so no one can read it.
How about President Obama's campaign promise to put up each and every bill on the Internet 72 hours before it is voted on - oh yeah, another broken campaign promise.
How about President Obama's campaign promise to put the health care debates on cspan, so that we can see who is fighting for the drug companies and how is fighting for us - oh yeah, another broken campaign promise, why because he had meetings with those drug companies and made deals for them - selling us all down the river.
And what does the President do when the country needs his help - he plays golf, he plays basketball, he throws parties, he campaigns - To bad, so sad!
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cindisue_g wrote: Razenkn wrote: cindisue_g wrote: It is starting to get interesting!!
WASHINGTON – Democratic moderates who control the balance of power on health care legislation balked Tuesday at a government-run insurance option for millions of Americans, underscoring the enormity of the challenge confronting Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid one day after he unveiled the plan as a consensus product.
Republican opposition stiffened, and party leaders announced they would attempt to strangle the bill before formal debate begins.
I watched an interview with a member of the house - she was asked if she would vote for a state opt-in option, instead of a state opt-out option - her answer was no...hmmmmm maybe because they will make it so difficult for the states to opt-out!!!
All this coming from President Obama's most transparent administration ever and don't forget he was going to be the most bi-partisan President ever....just two examples of his campaign promises that he reneged on!!!!
I watched a John McCain interview today and he said the liberal Congress has completely shut the republican party out. He said they have not been asked to be a part of the discussion so they have NO IDEA what is in the bill and they have NO IDEA what Harry means by the State Op Out program, they believe it all to be a big hoax, same station, different name, PUBLIC GOV'T-RUN Healthcare that cannot be sustained and will destroy America's health care system as we know it.
So I say good for the Dems and the Republicans who are more concerned about their Country than their party and their seat. We need many more just like them, politicians who vote with their principles and convictions, not for power.
The opt-out portion is a law that the states have to opt-out of the program. What will probably happen, there will be so much red tape that it will be impossible for the states to opt-out; thus the end result will be a government run health care system.
From what I understand there are daily closed door meetings (Democrats only allowed) - Reid, Dodd, Emanuel and a few others (there are about 5 or 6 in the meeting). They meet every afternoon about health care. I also heard that Lieberman might join with the Republicans for a filibuster....that would be pretty interesting. Also hear that Olympia Snow will not vote for this bill.
Excellent! The Repubs had 8 yrs to do something about healthcare..all they did was come up with part D, Medicare and they sorta forgot about funding it...ya think they may have done that to try to make Obama look bad? nawwhttp://www..not the pubs....so then the president extended his hand since he came into office, to try to make this a bipartisan deal...again, all the Republicans did was stonewall him....perhaps they got the message: if you're not going to help, then get the hell out of the way.
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| Just a warning to everyone that has Medisun Advantage Insurance.............the advantage programs are costing the government approximately 14% more than the typical Medicare insurance. Therefore, cuts are on the way and premiums will rise.
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Here are a couple questions for the Republicans or others that may be against government run healthcare:
If for some reason or another the government no longer wanted or could not administer Medicare/Medicaid or the VA Hospitals - what would happen to the rates if United Healthcare/Blue Cross Blue Shield would take them over? Who makes the most profit? Can anyone out there get a fairly good health insurance program for $96 a month? We have to include a public option to control our out of control healthcare costs.
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Razenkn wrote: cindisue_g wrote: It is starting to get interesting!!
WASHINGTON – Democratic moderates who control the balance of power on health care legislation balked Tuesday at a government-run insurance option for millions of Americans, underscoring the enormity of the challenge confronting Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid one day after he unveiled the plan as a consensus product.
Republican opposition stiffened, and party leaders announced they would attempt to strangle the bill before formal debate begins.
I watched an interview with a member of the house - she was asked if she would vote for a state opt-in option, instead of a state opt-out option - her answer was no...hmmmmm maybe because they will make it so difficult for the states to opt-out!!!
All this coming from President Obama's most transparent administration ever and don't forget he was going to be the most bi-partisan President ever....just two examples of his campaign promises that he reneged on!!!!
I watched a John McCain interview today and he said the liberal Congress has completely shut the republican party out. He said they have not been asked to be a part of the discussion so they have NO IDEA what is in the bill and they have NO IDEA what Harry means by the State Op Out program, they believe it all to be a big hoax, same station, different name, PUBLIC GOV'T-RUN Healthcare that cannot be sustained and will destroy America's health care system as we know it.
So I say good for the Dems and the Republicans who are more concerned about their Country than their party and their seat. We need many more just like them, politicians who vote with their principles and convictions, not for power.
The opt-out portion is a law that the states have to opt-out of the program. What will probably happen, there will be so much red tape that it will be impossible for the states to opt-out; thus the end result will be a government run health care system.
From what I understand there are daily closed door meetings (Democrats only allowed) - Reid, Dodd, Emanuel and a few others (there are about 5 or 6 in the meeting). They meet every afternoon about health care. I also heard that Lieberman might join with the Republicans for a filibuster....that would be pretty interesting. Also hear that Olympia Snow will not vote for this bill.
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cindisue_g wrote: It is starting to get interesting!!
WASHINGTON – Democratic moderates who control the balance of power on health care legislation balked Tuesday at a government-run insurance option for millions of Americans, underscoring the enormity of the challenge confronting Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid one day after he unveiled the plan as a consensus product.
Republican opposition stiffened, and party leaders announced they would attempt to strangle the bill before formal debate begins.
I watched an interview with a member of the house - she was asked if she would vote for a state opt-in option, instead of a state opt-out option - her answer was no...hmmmmm maybe because they will make it so difficult for the states to opt-out!!!
All this coming from President Obama's most transparent administration ever and don't forget he was going to be the most bi-partisan President ever....just two examples of his campaign promises that he reneged on!!!!
I watched a John McCain interview today and he said the liberal Congress has completely shut the republican party out. He said they have not been asked to be a part of the discussion so they have NO IDEA what is in the bill and they have NO IDEA what Harry means by the State Op Out program, they believe it all to be a big hoax, same station, different name, PUBLIC GOV'T-RUN Healthcare that cannot be sustained and will destroy America's health care system as we know it.
So I say good for the Dems and the Republicans who are more concerned about their Country than their party and their seat. We need many more just like them, politicians who vote with their principles and convictions, not for power.
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It is starting to get interesting!!
WASHINGTON – Democratic moderates who control the balance of power on health care legislation balked Tuesday at a government-run insurance option for millions of Americans, underscoring the enormity of the challenge confronting Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid one day after he unveiled the plan as a consensus product.
Republican opposition stiffened, and party leaders announced they would attempt to strangle the bill before formal debate begins.
I watched an interview with a member of the house - she was asked if she would vote for a state opt-in option, instead of a state opt-out option - her answer was no...hmmmmm maybe because they will make it so difficult for the states to opt-out!!!
All this coming from President Obama's most transparent administration ever and don't forget he was going to be the most bi-partisan President ever....just two examples of his campaign promises that he reneged on!!!!
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Snowe Rejects Reid Healthcare Bill
Snowe Rejects Reid Public Option Plan
Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:16 PM
WASHINGTON – Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe says she would vote with fellow Republicans to block the Democratic health care overhaul if changes are not made to the version Majority Leader Harry Reid outlined this week.
The Democrats will need 60 votes to get the bill past a threatened Republican filibuster, so Snowe's vote would be crucial if Reid loses any of the chamber's 58 Democrats and two independents.
Snowe is the only Republican in Congress who has voted for any of the early Democratic versions in either the Senate or House.
Reid says he has blended two versions in a measure that includes a government-run "public option" to compete with private health insurance plans. States could opt out of the government insurance, but Snowe said Tuesday that's not good enough.
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Lieberman to vote against public option
By Alexander Bolton - 10/27/09 01:48 PM ET
Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democrat-turned-Independent from Connecticut, said Tuesday that he will not vote for a healthcare reform bill that includes a government-run insurance plan.
This means that as things now stand, Democrats will not have enough votes to pass healthcare reform with a so-called public option unless Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) can pick up unexpected GOP votes.
Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine), the only Republican to vote for the Senate Finance Committee’s healthcare bill, said Tueday that she would vote against bringing up a bill that included a government-run insurance program unless the implementation of such a program were set to a trigger.
Lieberman said he would vote with Reid and other Democrats on a motion to begin debate on a healthcare bill because he believes it is an important issue that needs to be considered. But he said he would not lend his support to an effort to cut off debate on a bill including a government-run insurance program.
Lieberman said he told Reid of his position in a recent conversation and that the leader “respected and understood.”
“We’re trying to do too much at once,” said Lieberman. “To put this government-created, government-run insurance company on top of everything else is just asking for trouble for the taxpayer, for the premium payer and for the national debt. I don’t think we need it now.”
Lieberman said he was not placated by allowing states to opt out of the public option “because it still creates a whole new federal government entitlement program, for which taxpayers will eventually be on the line.”
The motion to begin debate and the motion to move to a final vote are two actions that would require 60 votes and are considered the highest hurdles to passing a reform bill through the Senate.
Several centrist Democrats, including Sens. Evan Bayh (Ind.) and Ben Nelson (Neb.), said they have not yet decided whether they would vote to begin debate on healthcare reform next week or the week after.
“I don’t think there is much difference between process and policy at this particular juncture, so I’m going to be looking at those two things as one and the same,” said Bayh, who added that he might vote to block debate. “I want to see what the bill has to say and if I think they have major substantive flaws in it, they may have to be corrected before we go to the floor for debte.”
Unlike Lieberman, Bayh said the public option is a relatively minor concern for him.
“I have some qualms about that but that has not been my greatest concern,” he said.
Bayh said he is more concerned about whether the reform bill “is fiscally responsible and [to] make sure we’re not setting up something that will explode into huge deficits.” Bayh also wants to make sure that the legislation does not drive up premiums for Americans who now have insurance.
Nelson said he would wait to review the written provisions of the reform bill before making a decision on whether to vote to begin debate.
“Nobody’s read it other than the leader and maybe some staff,” Nelson said.
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It appears that Harry Reid has taken his marching orders from the extremists on the left to push through a "public option" in the health care bill even though it has been very obvious NOBODY wants it other than a handful of radicals on the left who want to CHANGE and/or TRANSFORM AMERICA into a European style nation with Socialism.
So, to back up this idiot move, out of touch Fancy Nancy Pants comes out yesterday and says "we should change the name from PUBLIC OPTION to CONSUMER OPTION because PUBLIC OPTION gives the impression that it will be paid for with TAXPAYER Funding".....
Do they get any dumber than that??? Really, is there anyone dumber than Nancy Fancy Pants making our life and death decisions for America?? I really don't think so. If the taxpayers aren't going to have to PAY FOR THE PUBLIC OPTION then who is?? (besides China)...who is paying for Medicare? Medicaid??? SCHIPS??? Does she believe that money falls from the sky??
In other words, in the World according to Nancy Fancy Pants, all you have to do is change the name, wave her magic wand and voila, all costs and issues go away. I think she not only owns a vineyard, I think she is drinking her way through it. She's a head case and needs to be gone. She shouldn't be allowed to manage a pet hotel, much less our lives. The dems in Congress have lost all sense of reason. They are back in the tone deaf bubble. Can you say bye bye in 2010??
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It's important that they clean up the waste and fraud before they take on a new project...it only seems logical!
$60 Billion Fraud: ‘60 Minutes’ Investigates Medicare/Medicaid Billing Scam
October 26, 2009 at 12:56 pm - 60 Minutes
Dateline: Washington DC
60 Minutes: President Obama says rising costs are driving huge federal budget deficits that imperil our future, and that there is enough waste and fraud in the system to pay for health care reform if it was eliminated. At the center of both issues is Medicare, the government insurance program that provides health care to 46 million elderly and disabled Americans. But it also provides a rich and steady income stream for criminals who are constantly finding new ways to steal a sizable chunk of the half trillion dollars that are paid out each year in Medicare benefits. In fact, Medicare fraud - estimated now to total about $60 billion a year - has become one of, if not the most profitable, crimes in America.
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I remember, then Senator Obama, saying that if he was elected he would make sure that all the dealings and negotiations with regard to health care would be on cspan. He said that way all of us could see who was fighting for their citizens and who was fighting for the various drug companies, etc. I guess we can all tell (due to is reneging on another campaign promise) who is fighting for who - because lets face it, if President Obama (and those chosen few who are in the closed door meetings) was fighting for us, it would be plastered all over television.
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goldrush wrote: callmelou wrote: goldrush wrote: callmelou wrote: goldrush wrote: callmelou wrote: goldrush wrote: callmelou wrote: Let's figure it out together: nobody I know has complaints about Medicare...nobody is denied service...nobody is denied coverage at 65 for pre-existing conditions...it's rare that someone needs to complain. Anybody who has used private insurance, or who reads a newspaper is aware of the horror stories that the pvt sector r has made routine...their refusal to pay...their unwillingness to provide coverage for pre-existing conditions...the recent case of them stopping payment for cancer treatment because the 44 yo pt failed to disclose on her app that she had acne as a teen....This isn't about healthcare..it's about the right being scared to death by the Palin-type of fear mongerers they listen too and read...try thinking for yourself, people.
Does this represent the best thinking you can come up with? I'm sure you can do better than this specious logic. Try again.
Ummm....well, cranky one, you're not disputing my comments, you're just doing a Repubbie type of response------ soooooo.
Oh yea? There's nothing to dispute. Your conclusion does not follow from the premise. Re-read you post and you'll see it's illogical. Sorry..just because you think something is illogical because it differs from your view point doesn't make it so.
You seem to be definition-challenged. It's not a question of view point. Your "Let's figure it out together . . . " is unreasoned and a non sequitur. Come on, lou. Give it up. Your in over your head.
Ahttp://WWW..the word 'illogical' is determined by definition...and you get to interpret that definition....sorry...I haven't decided to accept your interpretation, Robin...why don't you try to stick to the subject rather than bashing?
'Cuz you're such an easy target. You wear a bullseye on both the front and back of your shirt. So far, my aim has been dead on. Over and out, Robin.
Again: you bash...you have nothing to say on the subject at hand because you're too busy failing at showing your superiority. Go do some volunteer work...or paid work...something to be productive...when you retired, I seriously doubt that your goal was to get on a forum and bash.....as far as you being "dead on". Sorry...not so...other thread? Your ignorance regarding pun. comp. regarding insurance? Not trying to rub your snotty nose in it..you're tend to overlook your errors very conveniently.
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